Post-Game Talk: Leafs beat Connor Hellebuyck 4-3, end 3 game skid in OT

[Cleetus]

Hyman with another strong game, dang the leafs gotta figure out a way to sign him....

 

[PromisedLand]

Yeah the adv stats surrounding goalies still leaves much to be desired.

Tips are dangerous. But what's your take on blaming goalies for them. I felt on that tying goal you like to see him stop that. I know it was Matthews man left alone and he was late too.

Regulation 2 pts would've been perfect.

I thought it was a solid tip. Deflected shots are not easy to stop IMO. Those pucks either hit you or go wide or it goes in. Hard to anticipate how a deflection would come in

 

[Stephen]

Again, my point is being missed... I'm not defending Anderson. I'm suggesting that he's shown us who he is time and time again, it's the job of Kyle Dubas to upgrade the position. It's beyond reason or rationality for Leaf fans to suddenly expect Anderson to be something he's not, after a decade as an NHL starter.

Maya Angelou said "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"... Some people need to take that to heart.

On the need for change, we're on the same page.

 

[Dragao6]

Anyone has replay of matthews hit on Winnipeg player where he stands him up in the third and hits him so hard???

Goal was nuts and tavares assist but that hit was my favourite part

 

[MattySnipes]

Legit think the Jets are a Hellebuyck injury away from being on the California teams level.

Yah. I think we're like the only team who wins without their best player.

 

[IrishInOntario]

On the need for change, we're on the same page.

Absolutely.

 

[MattySnipes]

I thought it was a solid tip. Deflected shots are not easy to stop IMO. Those pucks either hit you or go wide or it goes in. Hard to anticipate how a deflection would come in

I guess Matty paid it back to Freddie on the GWG.

 

[Faltorvo]

He wasn't the better goalie tonight so your statement is flawed. The team won Andersen is only part of the team. Some nights he is a reason for a win some nights he is the main reason for a loss.

i frankly and honestly don't remember when he was the reason for a win

 

[PromisedLand]

Is Kerry Fraser or his kins/friends/disciples/students still reffing by any chance?

 

[Zybalto]

He's pretty much been middle of the pack his entire time here.

2016-2019 and ranking out of 28 keepers with 7000+ minutes played:

TOI: (1st out of 28)
Expected Goals Against/60: (2nd highest out of 28)
Shots Against/60: (2nd highest out of 28)

Save%: .918 (7th out of 28)



2019-current and ranking out of 30 keepers with 2500+ minutes played:

TOI: (5th out of 30)
Expected Goals Against/60: (17th highest out of 30)
Shots Against/60: (13th highest out of 30)

Save%: .907 (20th out of 30)


He was a borderline elite workhorse under assault every night the first 3 years with us but has really regressed and is currently a below average starter with a much better D than before.

He may have even been underpaid given what he dealt with in the past but that also may have been a contributor to his current ability. He's also taken some injuries' through the years as well.

 

[therealkoho]

We need a Kreider clone as insurance to accidentally-on-purpose fall on Helle a couple times if we draw them in the playoffs.

Would Sam Bennet do?

We are 1st in our division

we are 1st in goals for
our backups have played 8 games and given up 15 goals
Fred has played 22 games and given up 55 goals.

He is our weakest link and we win in spite of him not because of him.

he just a very average goaltender that has nights where he's really really good, but he always seems to let in one of "those goals"

Gotta give willy some massive props. That might be the best game he's ever played.

Would be amazing if he still had another level to reach.

I think that's his topside, that was the elite Willie, no quit and lots of will, if you could get this player for 8.5 games out of 10 he's a 35/50 guy

By the way Zach Hyman was the Ieafs best player tonight and I thought one of his best games ever

I think he led the charge for sure, and he lifted all the boats....just a nostalgia thing but they should give him #20, the old timers will know why

how uncanny is this

 

[Zybalto]

Tbh Zybo,

I rmbr when Freddie looked like like Hellebuyck did this series. It was few yrs ago, when team was weaker.

He faced league high amount of rubber.

Just threw some stats up showing exactly that.

 

[Gallagbi]

Dont put yourself in positions to get goalie'd.

So often Leafs just get mentally defeated by any goalie. They have to remember goalie is human too, you have to make it hard.

How do you do that? Take away his sight, and bodies surrounding net.

Leafs did that in 3rd and look what happened.

Problem is don't wait until closing time. Bring it right into period 1. It would be amazing to chase a Vezina goalie in a mini series, especially after how he has played.

I'd like to see us add it to our game a bit more, but shooting for/through traffic also limits some of the other opportunities.

Ferraro mentioned in a recent broadcast how were a high quality shot team rather than a high volume one. It's a bit of a tradeoff and we've still scored 7 goals against a fantastic goalie the past 2 games

 

[Confucius]

Pionk looked like he git a brick wall when he ran into Willy, that surprised me.

 

[MattySnipes]

Is Kerry Fraser or his kins/friends/disciples/students still reffing by any chance?

I have vivid memories of breaking living room decor and kitchen appliances that year.

 

[93LEAFS]

3 starters in the North with .911 or better

the calg tandem both have better sv%

there is only 7 teams up here and our starter sits 5th among them

do you believe we are the 5 th best defensive team in the north?

We aren't particularly strong, we may win the high-danger% but we still allow a ton. We play high-event hockey, which isn't playing to Andersen's strengths system-wise. I also don't think just using 20 games is a great barometer. Over the past 3 years he's essentially middle of the pack.

 

[tom leafers]

All hail “player not available”!

 

[MattySnipes]

I'd like to see us add it to our game a bit more, but shooting for/through traffic also limits some of the other opportunities.

Ferraro mentioned in a recent broadcast how were a high quality shot team rather than a high volume one. It's a bit of a tradeoff and we've still scored 7 goals against a fantastic goalie the past 2 games

You're right. It's like we have to find the perfect balance. I still like our chances. I mean Hellebuyck can't play like that AGAIN.





Or can he?

 

[Faltorvo]

2016-2019 and ranking out of 28 keepers with 7000+ minutes played:

TOI: (1st out of 28)
Expected Goals Against/60: (2nd highest out of 28)
Shots Against/60: (2nd highest out of 28)

Save%: .918 (7th out of 28)



2019-current and ranking out of 30 keepers with 2500+ minutes played:

TOI: (5th out of 30)
Expected Goals Against/60: (17th highest out of 30)
Shots Against/60: (13th highest out of 30)

Save%: .907 (20th out of 30)


He was a borderline elite workhorse under assault every night the first 3 years with us but has really regressed and is currently a below average starter with a much better D than before.

He may have even been underpaid given what he dealt with in the past but that also may have been a contributor to his current ability. He's also taken some injuries' through the years as well.

i believe there is a flaw in your approach

you have completed discounted those teams/tenders that are on a premeditated split service or 60/40 split

 

[hotpaws]

wtf are you even talking about?

Nylander breakaway, pad save. Hyman breakaway, blocker save. Engvall breakaway, 5 hole save. All shots to the crest right?

tons of shots into the crest like Willie's shot from his first cross ice pass , mind you that pass took forever to get to him giving Helle lots of time to get into position

-Willie had him beat on the breakaway and could have scored easily through his legs or if he lifted the puck .

-Hyman works his ass off but he has 10 thumbs and usually is staring down at the puck so he doesn't lose it and just blindly throws the puck on net so no shock he didn't score .

-Engvall almost got it through his and Helle had no idea where it was .

Helle made some good saves but like i've learned on this site there's no way a goalie had an average never mind a good game when he had a sub .900 save %

 

[Faltorvo]

We aren't particularly strong, we may win the high-danger% but we still allow a ton. We play high-event hockey, which isn't playing to Andersen's strengths system-wise. I also don't think just using 20 games is a great barometer. Over the past 3 years he's essentially middle of the pack.

i want to see our numbers of high danger chances against this year,,compared to the rest of the north

cuzz,,,,, i don't see no "ton" of HDCs against this season

 

[mix1home]

Those don't look like hockey playing mechanics. It's like he learned the game training in outer space.

If mean aliens watched from their ship waiting to destroy the planet, they would decide to spare it after witnessing that goal.

 

[Zybalto]

i believe there is a flaw in your approach

you have completed discounted those teams/tenders that are on a premeditated split service or 60/40 split

The problem then becomes how many keepers do you leave in. Tried to make it around 30 (which makes the most sense) but even expanding it makes it look pretty much the same.

2016-2019 with 5000+ minutes and he ranks 10th out of 40 but his rubber against is still a the top and his 11000+ minutes looks really insane.

2019-current with 2000+ minutes and he ranks 29th out of 44 for save% with the much improved D.

 

[WTFMAN99]

We aren't particularly strong, we may win the high-danger% but we still allow a ton. We play high-event hockey, which isn't playing to Andersen's strengths system-wise. I also don't think just using 20 games is a great barometer. Over the past 3 years he's essentially middle of the pack.

I would say in terms of high danger chances though...just eye test wise, we definitely generated significantly more. I don't think we'll ever get perfect but its' better then in years past and we're not allowing 35-40 shots against anymore.

Muzzin without that damn cage on will probably improve things back there a bit for us.

I'd probably argue that Andersen was lights out in his first 3 seasons with us, probably even deserving of some Vezina talk for the work he did in front of us. The last year he hasn't looked like he used to. I do expect he's going to move on.

Campbell's durability scares me but grabbing a goalie like Driedger to go in a tandem still likely comes in less than Andersen's $5M total. We're simply going to have to go cheaper in net with the flat cap and having 4 big contracts.

 

[lebdafor norris]

He wasn't the better goalie tonight so your statement is flawed. The team won Andersen is only part of the team. Some nights he is a reason for a win some nights he is the main reason for a loss.

I wish the Andersen criticizers reflects on this point when they blame Freddie for the Leafs playoff lost. The high powered Leafs offence was held to 2 goals or less in 4/7 games against the Bruins during the 18/19 playoffs and was shut out in 2/5 games by CBJ during last season's play in, yet the lion share of the blame gets put on Freddie who put up excellent numbers during those series. Its very ironic when the fans of the opposing teams though that Freddie was one of the best players for the Leafs during the series while the actual Leafs fanbase wants to run him out of town for his performance.