Post-Game Talk: Leafs beat Connor Hellebuyck 4-3, end 3 game skid in OT

[Faltorvo]

He's pretty much been middle of the pack his entire time here. You do realize that only 3 north division goalies are ahead of him, and all are paid more.

i don't give a fly F what he was 1.5 years ago

this is not middle of the pack goal tending .902 sv% is not good enough if you want to contend

 

[hotpaws]

He is paid like a mid-tier goalie, that's essentially what he is. Honestly, which one of those 3 shots was actually stopable? Leafs had a ton of high danger chances, but how many of them actually reflected that when they went on net? We shot into Helle a bunch, or went in too close on breakaways trying to beat him low.

all 3 goal were pretty much unstoppable and people ignore that when we stopped shooting into Helle's chest the puck started to go in

and what was with all the woo is me head shaking ? especially from Muzzin after he flicked a weak shot from a bad angle right at Helle's crest

 

[PromisedLand]

Keefe seems to mix it up more than most coaches (and did so in the playoffs as well). Just gotta play hard and hope the bounces go your way in the playoffs. Its a sad fact that if you play switch the goalies in the Columbus series, a different team wins but I'm actually still hoping for an Andersen redemption story this year. He carried this team for so long when we sort of looked like the Jets tonight and I hope he's got one more hot streak left in him.

The mental toughness is not just on Freddy but also the team. This team just is so brutal mentally when things get tough a little bit they sulk and their shoulders drop. They gotta stick with it and not get upset or sad but angry and go get it right back. It is time for this team to grow and let go of mental weakness

 

[93LEAFS]

i don't give a fly F what he was 1.5 years ago

this is not middle of the pack goal tending .902 sv% is not good enough if you want to contend

I messed up and he's actually lower, but no one outside of Mike Smith in the North Division is posting a good SV%. The numbers are skewed across the board. Just look at where Markstrom and Helle are in relation to the league after winning the Vezina and being nominated last year.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

all 3 goal were pretty much unstoppable and people ignore that when we stopped shooting into Helle's chest the puck started to go in

and what was with all the woo is me head shaking ? especially from Muzzin after he flicked a weak shot from a bad angle right at Helle's crest

wtf are you even talking about?

Nylander breakaway, pad save. Hyman breakaway, blocker save. Engvall breakaway, 5 hole save. All shots to the crest right?

 

[IrishInOntario]

Sorry man, this reads like the "voice of reason" call in a post-game radio show, but I think it's missing the mark and ignoring a lot of bad Andersen history.

The idea that a goalie "had no chance" on X shots, so therefore it's not his fault is reasonable on the surface, but a workhorse starter's job is actually to make big saves to preserve a win, give his team a chance and ultimately to help win a playoff series.

It's not that Andersen was hung out to dry on a 2 on 1, it's what the goalie at the other end is doing, and the excuses just means he's not even in a goalie battle, not even making that one team lifting save.

Look at the elimination games they've played with him in net.

It's Liam Foudy squeaking one in on an improbably weird angle shot for Columbus in Game 5.

It's Joakim Nordstrom doing the same, short side glove in Game 7 for Boston the year before.

It's the cheap Marchand tip in at the start of the 3rd in Game 7 to blow a 4-3 lead, then minutes later Jake DeBrusk streaking in to make it 5-4 in Game 7 the year before that on a harmless right wing drive.

The cheap dribbler by Washington to tie it 1-1 after Matthews opened the scoring deep in the 3rd period of a 0-0 game.

So many ill-timed, soft, backbreaking, heartbreaking, deflating goals.

Again, my point is being missed... I'm not defending Anderson. I'm suggesting that he's shown us who he is time and time again, it's the job of Kyle Dubas to upgrade the position. It's beyond reason or rationality for Leaf fans to suddenly expect Anderson to be something he's not, after a decade as an NHL starter.

Maya Angelou said "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"... Some people need to take that to heart.

 

[MattySnipes]

most of the folks that talk about high danger chances they look at natural statrk to talk about it not actually what happened.

Some absolutely STUPID examples of high danger chances

• Player was in to close to make it dangerous
• Player's shot was high and wide or into the crest
• Player's shot was deflected or well defended
• etc...

These all count in HDCF% or high danger chances but of course "context" goes right out of the window when people just look at numbers without context.

Like you said no goalie in the world including prime Hasek or Roy would continute to make saves if the the slot chances are open even if few.

Freddy is a good goalie just not a vezina caliber goalie. He has more wins than losses for this season. He is 13-5-2 for the season yet you will see posts like "he is the 2nd best goalie on most nights"

Then again once cannot argue with moronic narratives LOL one can only ignore them

Marner helped Freddie out huge in OT. The stats gave him 3+ HD saves there all bc Marner decided to go full out Nik Lidstrom.

 

[therealkoho]

Omg we need 2 top 6 left wingers
One smoothie
One greasy
But both top 6
We don’t need DMen
But what we lack is world class left wingers

yep we do, but I'd be happy with one of Tanner Pearson, Sam Bennet, Christian Dvorak, Dillon Dube, Adam Lowry and as the second Lawson Crouse

 

[Jojalu]

Jets are Phil Kessel era Leafs and nothing more.

It is a pretty accurate analysis. They score well off the rush and rely on good goaltending to bail them out

 

[PromisedLand]

Marner helped Freddie out huge in OT. The stats gave him 3+ HD saves there all bc Marner decided to go full out Nik Lidstrom.

yup. not only that.... when the puck is tipped in from a point shot for a goal it is not counted as high danger chance because the shot was taken from way out

imagine a solid tip on the goal from a point shot not being high danger LOL

 

[IrishInOntario]

Some people do blame Freddie for everything. Most of us are more rational though. My thoughts are that I just want Freddie to be the one that outplays the other goalie. It just doesn't happen enough. He never seems to stand on his head. He never gives us that game when we need it. He's relatively steady. Stops most easy ones. Lets in the difficult ones. Doesn't seem to stand on his head.

When it comes to playoff hockey, a hot goalie can win the series. We never seem to get that though

I agree with everything you just said... Here is the reality though. It's up to Kyle Dubas to fix that via trade or free agency, or hoping that Jack Campbell can be "the guy".

It's an exercise in futility to expect 30+ year old Anderson to suddenly become something he's not. The frustration of Leaf fans is misguided, IMO. It's management's job to field a team that includes a goalie that routinely outplays his opponent.

Anderson is who he is.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

Helle was completely outgoalied tonight. Freddy was phenomenal.

Said no one ever, LOL!

 

[hotpaws]

It is definitely up there... But he isn't a PPG player because he sucks, like many on here would have you believe. The dude contributes A LOT to winning.

Is he worth 11 million dollars? No. But that's on Kyle Dubas, not John Tavares.

his cap hit's on both him and Dubas , he needs to be close to earning it if the Leafs are going to win the cup

also scorings is up league wide so being close to a ppg isn't the anywhere near as impressive as people try to make it out to be

 

[egd27]

i don't give a fly F what he was 1.5 years ago

this is not middle of the pack goal tending .902 sv% is not good enough if you want to contend

Seems it may be
NHL Hockey Standings

 

[Teeder Keon]

yep we do, but I'd be happy with one of Tanner Pearson, Sam Bennet, Christian Dvorak, Dillon Dube, Adam Lowry and as the second Lawson Crouse

And Robertson lol

 

[AllDay28]

is the sky still falling or nah?

 

[saltming]

Some people do blame Freddie for everything. Most of us are more rational though. My thoughts are that I just want Freddie to be the one that outplays the other goalie. It just doesn't happen enough. He never seems to stand on his head. He never gives us that game when we need it. He's relatively steady. Stops most easy ones. Lets in the difficult ones. Doesn't seem to stand on his head.

When it comes to playoff hockey, a hot goalie can win the series. We never seem to get that though

149 wins 71 losses 35 otl
It seems that he usually put duels the other goalie

 

[Minty Cowboy]

He looks like Dabura

 

[Confucius]

Andy is 13-5-2 which means most nights he's the better goalie ,

He wasn't the better goalie tonight so your statement is flawed. The team won Andersen is only part of the team. Some nights he is a reason for a win some nights he is the main reason for a loss.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

Tampa sucks. Gave up 6 in a loss to Detroit

Yeah, that is an embarrassing loss of I ever saw one! lol!

 

[MattySnipes]

yup. not only that.... when the puck is tipped in from a point shot for a goal it is not counted as high danger chance because the shot was taken from way out

imagine a solid tip on the goal from a point shot not being high danger LOL

Yeah the adv stats surrounding goalies still leaves much to be desired.

Tips are dangerous. But what's your take on blaming goalies for them. I felt on that tying goal you like to see him stop that. I know it was Matthews man left alone and he was late too.

Regulation 2 pts would've been perfect.

 

[IrishInOntario]

his cap hit's on both him and Dubas , he needs to be close to earning it if the Leafs are going to win the cup

also scorings is up league wide so being close to a ppg isn't the anywhere near as impressive as people try to make it out to be

But a PPG player is what he's been his entire career. The Leafs knew exactly what they were getting and chose to pay him what they did. He's produced at or above the level he did prior to arriving in Toronto. The stats bare that out.

It's never the player's job to turn down the money offered to them. It's the team's job to evaluate if a player is worth what he is asking and walk away when it's not... Tavares had a well developed resume when he got here. To suddenly expect him to become something he has never been is not any more rational than the Leafs fans that suddenly expect that Anderson is going to out play Helle on most nights... Not happening.

 

[Faltorvo]

I messed up and he's actually lower, but no one outside of Mike Smith in the North Division is posting a good SV%. The numbers are skewed across the board. Just look at where Markstrom and Helle are in relation to the league after winning the Vezina and being nominated last year.

3 starters in the North with .911 or better

the calg tandem both have better sv%

there is only 7 teams up here and our starter sits 5th among them

do you believe we are the 5 th best defensive team in the north?

 

[MattySnipes]

He looks like Dabura

lmao. It's such a troll-ish face.

Esp when he plays like he has.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Legit think the Jets are a Hellebuyck injury away from being on the California teams level.