Proposal: leafs and bruins

[Kitchener Boy]

Krug is already a good #4. Now you just need a #3,2 and 1 dman

They're in the Bruins prospect pool.

Leaf fans just aren't aware.

 

[Currysux*]

They're in the Bruins prospect pool.

Leaf fans just aren't aware.

The Bruins dont have anyone other than Zboril and McAvoy that can become a #3. They dont have anyone that will be a top pair dman.

 

[Gavy]

They're in the Bruins prospect pool.

Leaf fans just aren't aware.

Lol pot calling the kettle black

 

[Currysux*]

Very Reminiscent of when the Oilers held Ladislav Smid in such high regard when he was "a Top Pairing defenseman" for them. Not saying their games match up, but I do think what's lost sometimes is that even if a guy is a top pairing Dman (or 2nd pair I guess) that doesn't mean he would be on other teams.

I would say a 1st for him is generous and you are looking more at a Boychuk return. Whether that's worth it or not for TOR is a different issue but value wise that's where I would personally peg him, he's not a game changer in my eyes so that's why

Gardiner would be a top 3 dman on every team other than SJS, CHI, WSH, STL, NSH. Those sre the only teams that have 3 dmen who are definitely better than Gardiner. Some teams may arguably have 3 better dmen like WPG or MIN.

 

[Unbiased]

The hate fest for Gardiner on these boards are hilarious, what makes people think he's a #5 defenseman? 30 points and elite defensive stats say otherwise.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

The Bruins dont have anyone other than Zboril and McAvoy that can become a #3. They dont have anyone that will be a top pair dman.

Clearly you do not know much about the Bruins prospect pool.

 

[ZINFINITY16]

Your 2nd best defenseman might be a #4-5 on many other teams. It goes both ways.

name 12 teams where Gardiner would be a number 4?
or even 5 teams where he'd be a number 5?? like seriously, you can say he's not top 2 but such obvious hate if you're saying he'd be a number 4-5 on MANY teams like cmon

 

[Blitzago*]

Clearly you do not know much about the Bruins prospect pool.

He clearly knows more about the Bruins prospect pool than you do about Gardiner

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

The Bruins dont have anyone other than Zboril and McAvoy that can become a #3. They dont have anyone that will be a top pair dman.

Lol what? Quite the comment here, can I have some winning lotto numbers?

I don't think they have a #1 in the system but they have a few that I think can be 2/3s.

 

[BostonBob]

The hate fest for Gardiner on these boards are hilarious, what makes people think he's a #5 defenseman? 30 points and elite defensive stats say otherwise.

How the heck do you consider Gardiner as having " elite defensive stats " when he is a combined -38 for the last 2 NHL seasons ???? Besides the usual " poor defensive team as a whole " excuse that you guys seem to use a lot when it comes to arguing bad +/- stats.

 

[garyturner3]

Lol what? Quite the comment here, can I have some winning lotto numbers?

I don't think they have a #1 in the system but they have a few that I think can be 2/3s.

Agreed. D-men are crazy difficult to project so it's easily possible that a a handful of their current prospects turn into very good players. Just look at the top 10 players in Norris voting last year; half of them weren't even 1st rounders.

 

[garyturner3]

How the heck do you consider Gardiner as having " elite defensive stats " when he is a combined -38 for the last 2 NHL seasons ???? Besides the usual " poor defensive team as a whole " excuse that you guys seem to use a lot when it comes to arguing bad +/- stats.

FYI you lose all credibility when you use +/- as a measuring stick for defensive ability. That stat didn't even have much value 10 years ago before fancy stats came along. Now that all the advanced stats are readily available +/- is pretty much meaningless. The elite defensive stats he speaks of aren't his opinion; they're fact and available online for you.

 

[BostonBob]

FYI you lose all credibility when you use +/- as a measuring stick for defensive ability.

Please oh please give me back my credibility.

The elite defensive stats he speaks of aren't his opinion; they're fact and available online for you.

This is what I love - you know damn well if Gardiner was a +38 over the last 2 seasons you would be using that stat to try and prove your point about his " elite defensive " play. For the record - I like Gardiner ( not as much as Krug though ) and certainly would like him on the Bruins but calling him " elite defensively " is nuts.

 

[nmbr_24]

The Bruins dont have anyone other than Zboril and McAvoy that can become a #3. They dont have anyone that will be a top pair dman.

That is quite a blanket statement there. I am going to go ahead and say I think you are going to be wrong and they will have at least one top pairing guy and a few second pairing D within a couple of years all from their prospects.

 

[garyturner3]

Please oh please give me back my credibility.




This is what I love - you know damn well if Gardiner was a +38 over the last 2 seasons you would be using that stat to try and prove your point about his " elite defensive " play. For the record - I like Gardiner ( not as much as Krug though ) and certainly would like him on the Bruins but calling him " elite defensively " is nuts.

Ya you've got me pegged alright. Obviously I didn't make my feelings on +/- clear enough for you.....

 

[DJN21]

Gardiner would be a top 3 dman on every team other than SJS, CHI, WSH, STL, NSH. Those sre the only teams that have 3 dmen who are definitely better than Gardiner. Some teams may arguably have 3 better dmen like WPG or MIN.

I'd take risto, kulikov and bogo over him but that's just me...

 

[PB37]

His shot suppression statistics say otherwise. They are elite.

Why doesn't he play on the SH teams then?

 

[PB37]

By pretty much every metric Gardiner is a number 3 d-man at worst. Elite possession player and great defensively. WOWYs show that Gardiner makes pretty much every teammate better (and most times substantially), but yeah he's a number 4 at best.

Also, lol at Senyshyn scoring 60 on the Knights.

He is not an elite possession player and he isn't that great defensively.

 

[Gavy]

Things I've learned from this thread

Sensyshyn would have scored more than Marner.
Gardiner is both a terrible defenseman and better than Orr.
Boston has 2 top pairing defenseman in their prospect pool.

 

[dredeye]

Why is this thread still open?

 

[Hally BlackWood]

Things I've learned from this thread

Sensyshyn would have scored more than Marner.
Gardiner is both a terrible defenseman and better than Orr.
Boston has 2 top pairing defenseman in their prospect pool.

(E5)

 

[nmbr_24]

Things I've learned from this thread

Sensyshyn would have scored more than Marner.
Gardiner is both a terrible defenseman and better than Orr.
Boston has 2 top pairing defenseman in their prospect pool.

I like the way nobody actually said any of those things in this thread.

Saying Senyshen scored more goals than Marner last season is true, I don't get why people have a hard time with that but apparently they do.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Things I've learned from this thread

Sensyshyn would have scored more than Marner.
Gardiner is both a terrible defenseman and better than Orr.
Boston has 2 top pairing defenseman in their prospect pool.

Pretty sure no one said any of this.

Although you're right about the prospects, I think a couple could definitely be top pairing d men (not franchise d men though, or even #1s).

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

I like the way nobody actually said any of those things in this thread.

Saying Senyshen scored more goals than Marner last season is true, I don't get why people have a hard time with that but apparently they do.

Only 4 people scored more goals than Senyshyn in the OHL last year.

He's truly a fantastic goal scorer, but Marner is clearly the better overall player. His draft slot echoes that sentiment.

 

[kdog82]

I see a lot of Leaf fans LOL'ing in this thread about Bruin Prospects and Krug not being nearly as good as Gardiner, when in reality the only thing that's really funny is the Leafs as a franchise the last 15 years.

And before I hear anything about Babcock and the Shannaplan being the saviour, the same thing was said when Burke and company were brought in.

And yes, Senyshyn on last year's London Knights would have scored 50 easily. Marner is obviously the better prospect but let's wait until they play in the NHL to decide which of the two have more of an impact.