Proposal: leafs and bruins

[BruinLVGA]

4million for a 20min/night guy with elite advanced stats?
continue to embarrass the bruins fan base

4million for a 20min/night guy playing for the worst team in the league... That doesn't make me think "excellence" right off the bat...

And about the "elite advanced stats"... Give us a break... Are you inferring that Gardiner is an elite defenseman? Do you think he will be in the Norris discussion next year?
Talk about embarrassing one's fan base, uh?

Did he prove his worth at 15

There is 3 or 4 guys drafted after him I would take over him.

OK so for YOU he should be #18/19... Besides the fact that it's absolutely impossible to peg the PRECISE spot (you are talking about 3/4 spots...) a young player should have been drafted, without said player having played a single game in the league... The whole idea here is Bruins fans saying he is a mid level 1st rounder with good potential, Toronto fans saying he is a 2nd rounder. That is what folks are talking about, NOT micro adjustments to where he was selected 1 year ago.
By your definition, you believe he IS a first rounder, so you are in our field.

 

[Halla]

4million for a 20min/night guy playing for the worst team in the league... That doesn't make me think "excellence" right off the bat...

And about the "elite advanced stats"... Give us a break... Are you inferring that Gardiner is an elite defenseman? Do you think he will be in the Norris discussion next year?
Talk about embarrassing one's fan base, uh?



OK so for YOU he should be #18/19... Besides the fact that it's absolutely impossible to peg the PRECISE spot (you are talking about 3/4 spots...) a young player should have been drafted, without said player having played a single game in the league... The whole idea here is Bruins fans saying he is a mid level 1st rounder with good potential, Toronto fans saying he is a 2nd rounder. That is what folks are talking about, NOT micro adjustments to where he was selected 1 year ago.
By your definition, you believe he IS a first rounder, so you are in our field.

nope. but to say he is a 5-6 is laughable. Gardiner is a #3 on just about any team in the league with through the roof possesion stats.
teams are better when he is on the ice, we arent moving him for a meh prospect who didnt produce half as much as the top players in the OHL

 

[nmbr_24]

I would hate to see the Bruins do this. Senyshen was pretty fantastic at goal scoring last year and he has proven to me that he was worthy of his draft spot.

Gardiner is a 2nd pairing D but Senyshen could possibly be a very good player, the Bruins are buiding for the future while trying to remain competitive now, they are not going to trade their top prospect at the one position that they don't have a lot of depth(RW), it doesn't mesh with what they have been doing.

 

[MacerV]

Krug is better than Gardiner.

A debate on who's the better defenseman, Krug or Gardiner would probably be worth having. Both of their advanced metrics are great although Krug is putting up more points but on a team with more offensive power. At the end of the day I'd have to watch Krug a few games to see how he stacks up to Gardiner with the eye test.

 

[leaflover]

Jake Gardiner for prospect Zack Senyshen !

Leafs need Gardiner much more than another winger, even one with Senyshyn's potential.
I'm interested in seeing how much more growth there is in Gardiner during his 2nd season under Babcock. He's on a sweet contract for 3 more years which will be an absolute steal if he elevates his game again in 16/17.

 

[ChargersRookie]

He was a fantastic goal scorer in a depth position his draft year too, didn't stop you guys from having a meltdown when he was selected.

Value isn't close.

Not in my yard there wasn't. He was drafted where he was because of the Bruins' needs.

Secondly because of the Leafs and Wings.

 

[nmbr_24]

Not in my yard there wasn't. He was drafted where he was because of the Bruins' needs.

Secondly because of the Leafs and Wings.

I remember that too, Detroit wanted him and TO was trying to trade up to get him before Detroit. I remember reading a few stories about that.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

Love to have Gardiner but Senyshyn is going be a big, fast goal scorer the Bruins really need, possibly topping out at 6'3" and well over 200lbs. He is not a deeman and does not fit what the Leafs need back. Bruins need to target a top 2 guy to replace Chara and bridge the very good defensive depth they have coming up in 3 years. So both sides are not getting what they really need.

There is a Toronto connection. SSM ex Head coach Sheldon Keefe, always found a way to make use of Senyshyn, even on a veteran team in his 1st year he tallied 26 goals. (Former Soo GM Kyle Dubas and Keefe are now reunited with the Toronto Maple Leafs, Dubas as assistant GM and Keefe as head coach of the AHL Toronto Marlies).

As for the points per game, he was on a average at best OHL young team last year and was the target of other teams. Missing by 1 point to be a PPG player....
2015-16, Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds, 66 games, 45 goals, 20 assists, 65 pts

Put him on a stacked team (London Knights) and that is a non issue, I would see him scoring over 50 goals easily

 

[Gavy]

Krug is better than Gardiner.

Lmfao not a chance

 

[Atomos2]

Marner > Senyshyn, Nylander > Senyshyn, JVR > Senyshyn, Soshnikov > Senyshyn...see where I'm going with this?

 

[garyturner3]

Marner > Senyshyn, Nylander > Senyshyn, JVR > Senyshyn, Soshnikov > Senyshyn...see where I'm going with this?

Senyshyn > Soshnikov IMO. He scores two really nice goals and all of a sudden everyone's got him penciled in full time on the Leafs roster. I look at his AHL numbers and think he's far from a sure thing.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Marner > Senyshyn, Nylander > Senyshyn, JVR > Senyshyn, Soshnikov > Senyshyn...see where I'm going with this?

Senyshyn > Soshnikov definitely

 

[BergyWho37]

We don't want a LD and I highly doubt we give up on a RWer when we could use him.

Discussion over

 

[ChargersRookie]

Marner > Senyshyn, Nylander > Senyshyn, JVR > Senyshyn, Soshnikov > Senyshyn...see where I'm going with this?

I would ask with which team is the OP's loyalty with?

 

[BruinLVGA]

Marner > Senyshyn, Nylander > Senyshyn, JVR > Senyshyn, Soshnikov > Senyshyn...see where I'm going with this?

Yes: to the bottom of the standings again, me thinks.

 

[Atomos2]

Senyshyn > Soshnikov IMO. He scores two really nice goals and all of a sudden everyone's got him penciled in full time on the Leafs roster. I look at his AHL numbers and think he's far from a sure thing.

Then switch Soshnikov with Connor Brown or Kasperi Kapanen. Either way, Senyshyn would be low on the winger depth chart.

 

[Atomos2]

Yes: to the bottom of the standings again, me thinks.

Lol, as if Senyshyn would fix that and become the franchise hero. Barely PPG in his draft +1? Pft, come on man.

 

[syc]

Leafs laugh and hang up the phone.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Lol, as if Senyshyn would fix that and become the franchise hero. Barely PPG in his draft +1? Pft, come on man.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said what I said because you seemed a little high on your horse with that list of prospects. Until the Leafs achieve something even remotely meaningful, it would be wise to stay humble and classy. Like for example not being dismissive of other teams' prospects that haven't had a chance to prove what they're worth. Got it?

 

[DrTucker]

Gardiner would be a 5th or 6th Defencemen on a team trying to make the playoffs. He's no proven top 4 D; as some call him.

Zero chance he is 5th or 6th on the Bruins ... try first pairing easily. That Boston D HAD some spectacular guys but they are well beyond their best before date (Chara).

 

[DrTucker]

Ironically he's he only one who lived up to his draft slot, considering how much of a reach he is. He's easily worth a 15th overall pick.

Can't see the Bruins having any interest in "adding big time" to get Gardiner so looks like there's no deal here.

He's definitely a top four d man despite what some are saying though, id love to have him.

Fair enough. I can't see him being enough to pry Gardner from Toronto. Not that he isn't a good prospect, just he doesn't fit a need for the Leafs right now, who will want more, which as you put it the Bruins won't want to do.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

Senyshyn won't be moved Bruins need good RW prospects.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Gardiner is mentally weak. He plays better every year once the games don't matter anymore. He's not a Bruin-type player either, Sweeney wouldn't be interested.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Easy pass from the Leafs given it doesnt fill a need whatsoever while Gards fills an immense one.

 

[Hogan86]

This deal never happens. Senyshyn is a decent prospect. He's a good skater that is for sure. However he is a project prospect. The kid develops over the next five years and MAYBE then cracks the Bruins lineup. Most likely a bottom six guy, with second line potential. Highly doubt he will produce much at the NHL level. So Gardiner for Senyshun; just doesn't make any sense for the Leafs.