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Clearly you've never seen Gardiner play, or even looked at his advanced stats. Look at my last post, should tell you something.
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Clearly you've never seen Gardiner play, or even looked at his advanced stats. Look at my last post, should tell you something.
It's not two 1sts, it's a mid-late 1st and prospect that the Leafs may or may not value nearly as high as Boston does. Just because Boston reached to draft him 25 spots ahead of where he was projected to go doesn't automatically make him worth that. I think he's a decent prospect who had a nice jump in goals last season, but was still under a ppg in his draft+1 year which doesn't exactly scream blue chipper. For sure you're adding on top of him big time if you want a guy like Gardiner.
guys like gardiner, bozak, and kadri will not be leafs in 2 years so if you can't see what leaf management is trying to accomplish you do not know how lamorillo, babcock, hunter, dubas, do business. I can see gardiner being dealt for senyshen, and also can see bozak and kadri being dealt in the near future as well.
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Ironically he's he only one who lived up to his draft slot, considering how much of a reach he is. He's easily worth a 15th overall pick.
Can't see the Bruins having any interest in "adding big time" to get Gardiner so looks like there's no deal here.
He's definitely a top four d man despite what some are saying though, id love to have him.
Ya that's fair enough. I don't think this trade really suits either side's needs anyway. TO has way too many winger prospects as it is and their biggest need is D so it really wouldn't make any sense for them.
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Been a devils fan for years. I can say without a doubt you have no idea how Lou runs his ship.
Babcock really likes Gardiner he's not going anywhere. Also kadri just signed long term, he will be sticking around.
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Senyshyn IS a first round pick: that is where he was picked and his play in the year since he was drafted hasn't done anything to disprove that. Besides that, Gardiner is not the kind of player we would be targeting.
If we would package Senyshyn + a 1st round pick, we could add someone like Spooner and get a much higher profile than Jake Gardiner who never "exactly screams blue chipper" since he entered the league.
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Gardiner is better than both. He would be your best defenseman according to advanced stats and the eye test. He has elite shot suppression numbers on a garbage team and has an elite skating ability.
He played extremely well last year in a structured system.
Making the nhl all rookie team his first season definitely does scream blue chipper. You're drastically underrating Gardiner here. He didn't progress as hoped the couple years after his rookie season, but then took enormous strides last season under Babcock to the point where he's a well above average 2nd pairing guy, and not just for Toronto's standards either. Just look at the advanced stats; it's all there and not biased. The only reason people refuse to accept how far he's come along is because he plays for the Leafs so people assume he's only good compared to the rest of our crap team. Believe me, I get it. This guy is going nowhere though and for good reason.
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Bozak maybe but why would they trade Kadri and Gardner? They are both fairly young and will be beginning there prime years then
We have Nylander/Marner, Kapanen, Brown already who all play the right side what logic is there that suggests that we would move Gards who is one of our only 2 Top 4 Dman (Rielly being other) for a rw?? Senyshen is not even enough of a major upgrade over any of the above mentioned for the leafs to trade somebody from a position of desprete need.
Yeah...no. not at all what we are looking for or need. Zboril and a 1st might garner interest, but after being the biggest gardiner critic forever- his play last year was really really good. If he keeps that up, there is no need to trade a smart pmd who has beauty wheels
Sweeney isn't that stupid you're gonna need a number 3 dman when Chara retires.
Although it's in the Leafs best interest not to trade him even if a real offer that includes equivalent value is actually pitched for him.
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bruins fans getting way too excited over a kid that still didnt even get a ppg in the OHL in draft +1. most had this guy pegged as a mid to late 2nd. no chance in hell the leafs move their 2nd best dman for that.
leafs laugh and hang up and this thread is locked
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Funny you should say that he was pegged as a mid to late 2nd rounder when it was rumored the Maple Leafs were going to draft him at #24, ended up trading out of the 1st round shortly after. No one wants their team's prospects to fail, and I doubt you would be saying the same if the Maple Leafs drafted him.
Regardless, the Maple Leafs don't do it because they need Gardiner more than they need more wing prospects, and the Bruins don't do it because they are aren't going to trade one of their top 3 prospects that fills a need without someone just as young and with just as much potential coming back.
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Toronto needs to add a second + for the bruins taking on Gardiners boat anchor contract.
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4million for a 20min/night guy with elite advanced stats?
continue to embarrass the bruins fan base
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this does nothing for the leafs. we have a tonne of winger prospects already and D is our biggest need. to move gardiner they would need to be blown away by a prospect offer (puljujarvi, dubois,juolevi).
no chance they move jake for a kapanen/brown level prospect. 0 chance
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Did he prove his worth at 15
There is 3 or 4 guys drafted after him I would take over him.
