Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[Jarqui]

Waiver breakdown, currently on active rosters within the 2021-22 season:

Montreal - Rem Pitlick (MIN), Kale Clague (LAK), Sam Montembault (FLA)
Vegas - Amadio (TOR)
Tampa - Gemel Smith (DET)
Winnipeg - Brooks (TOR)
Philly - Zack MacEwan (VAN), Kevin Connauton (FLA)
Colorado - Aube-Kubel (PHI)
San Jose - Dzingel (TOR)
Arizona - Nash (TBL), Wedgewood (NJ)
Seattle - Czarnik (NYI), Kuhlman (BOS)
NJ - Bastian (SEA), Mason Geertsen (NYR)
Ottawa - Gaudette (CHI)

Toronto has 3 players that they waived that are currently on active rosters. Brooks who is on his 4th team this season, Dzingel who was a cap move and Amadio who was a 4th liner. That's 17% of the current active waived roster players.

Travis Boyd AZ & Jimmy Vesey NJ are players waived by Toronto in recent seasons also playing full time in the NHL. Waived goalies Dell & Pickard have also played in the NHL this season.

Of the 11 waived and snatched from the Leafs in recent years, 8 played in the NHL this season. The best one that got away was McElhinney (turning 39 in May) who won a couple of Cups with TBay and retired.

I think the glass is more than half full when other NHL GMs are picking up your GMs players off waivers and most of them are still on NHL rosters or have played in the NHL this year. It is a reaffirming compliment to Dubas that they still see some value in a player that Dubas also did.

Of the 22 on the Leafs roster now, there isn't one that would clear waivers so it's not like Dubas is waiving the wrong guys a lot. The 22 on the roster usually deserved to be kept vs the waived players (maybe ignoring the McElhinney-Sparks debate).

Dubas is very tight to the cap and has been shy of draft picks lately. He is finding creative ways to get price performance on his roster and depth in the system. The number of players lost to waivers is a symptom of that with a number of GMs corroborating that the players Dubas identified as fringe but had to waive were by and large low tier NHlers - not complete garbage.

I think this is a sign of the Leafs doing a credible job of beating the bushes trying to find ways to help their roster.

 

[Warden of the North]

Starting with McElhinney, I'd bet we've lost more players to waivers but a significant margin then any other team.

Edit - I see answered above, lol

 

[Ports]

Teams lose in the playoffs for a bunch of reasons. Having Tavares is not the reason the Leafs have lost.

Keep telling yourself that but don’t go on the post game thread tonight because your boy is getting roasted. Seems most people see what I’m seeing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Keep telling yourself that but don’t go on the post game thread tonight because your boy is getting roasted.

He's not "my boy", and you may want to consider that a couple people posting emotional reactions in a post-loss thread is not the best source of accurate information and analysis.

 

[Ports]

He's not "my boy", and you may want to consider that a couple people posting emotional reactions in a post-loss thread is not the best source of accurate information and analysis.

If you think peoples comments about Tavares’ poor play come from watching one game you’re watching a different team. The Leafs show over and over they won’t compete in hard physical hockey games and Tavares basically disappears.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Leafs show over and over they won’t compete in hard physical hockey games and Tavares basically disappears.

Neither of these things are true.

I mean, I guess it's technically true that Tavares disappeared last playoffs, but he didn't have much choice in that. Unfortunate, since a great player like Tavares can make a significant impact.

 

[Ports]

Neither of these things are true.

I mean, I guess it's technically true that Tavares disappeared last playoffs, but he didn't have much choice in that. Unfortunate, since a great player like Tavares can make a significant impact.

I’ve come to the conclusion that you don’t really understand what you’re watching and that’s okay. Maybe it’s better to be in denial or overly optimistic.

 

[Bluelines]

Posted above.

89 total claims.

11 Leafs.

78 other 31 teams = 2.51 per team

11/2.51 = 4.39

Wouldn't it make more sense to calculate it vs the number of times the Leafs used waivers? The more times a team uses waivers , the greater the chance there will be a claim vs them.

 

[ACC1224]

I’ve come to the conclusion that you don’t really understand what you’re watching and that’s okay. Maybe it’s better to be in denial or overly optimistic.

It's all an act. Some fall for it, others pay it no attention.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I like the nickname Lube......game gets tough, its time to Lube up!

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’ve come to the conclusion that you don’t really understand what you’re watching and that’s okay.

I understand perfectly. Not a great night last night, but all teams have them. We show up all the time in "hard physical hockey games". The countless wins in those type of games tend to be forgotten any time we lose to a team that threw a hit at some point, and then confirmation bias runs wild. Physicality is not why we lost last night, and that's not why we've lost in the playoffs.

Tavares is going through a bit of a slow patch, like all players do from time to time (even when not dealing with post-Covid impacts), but he's an excellent player who brings a lot to the table, and having him makes us a better team. You would think people would have learned by now to stop proclaiming Tavares to be "regressing" or "done" during every cold stretch, considering that every time, he pops off and makes those comments look silly.

For those concerned about "physical hockey", we added a physical presence with this deal, to add to already impressive depth that Tavares did not prevent us from having.

 

[ITM]

I like the nickname Lube......game gets tough, its time to Lube up!

Nope. No it's not, lol.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I like the nickname Lube......game gets tough, its time to Lube up!

I think his nickname in Arizona was "bush" or "the Russian bear". We definitely got a player with plentiful good nicknames, if nothing else.

 

[banks]

I'm a bit bummed that Dzingel got clamed. It's not a big deal, as he was just AHL depth. He's definitely not the player us fans remember from his time in Ottawa.

But I really like having NHL experience in the AHL before the playoffs. Dubas does, too, by all accounts. So I was really hoping that he'd squeak through waivers and stay with the org. Dzingle was actually the team's 2nd try to get a borderline NHL forward on the AHL squad. They already tried and failed with Brooks. I'd bet they try again before the playoffs.

I think Sven Baertschi is the player most similar to Dzingle who should clear waivers. He's in the Vegas org now, and cleared already in October. If someone with lots of NHL time hits the wire again, I'd expect Toronto will grab them.

 

[The Iceman]

I'm a bit bummed that Dzingel got clamed. It's not a big deal, as he was just AHL depth. He's definitely not the player us fans remember from his time in Ottawa.

But I really like having NHL experience in the AHL before the playoffs. Dubas does, too, by all accounts. So I was really hoping that he'd squeak through waivers and stay with the org. Dzingle was actually the team's 2nd try to get a borderline NHL forward on the AHL squad. They already tried and failed with Brooks. I'd bet they try again before the playoffs.

I think Sven Baertschi is the player most similar to Dzingle who should clear waivers. He's in the Vegas org now, and cleared already in October. If someone with lots of NHL time hits the wire again, I'd expect Toronto will grab them.

I am bummed that we can't get a 5th or 6th round pick for these guys we lose to waivers.

 

[banks]

I am bummed that we can't get a 5th or 6th round pick for these guys we lose to waivers.

Ya, I agree. It's true that it would be better to get an asset back for a player you're going to lose. But they're getting waived because management wants to get them in the minors. Waivers is the risk when putting borderline NHL talent in the AHL.

Its not that the team thinks they're worthless in a trade, and then the claim shows they were wrong. So I get why it's happening a lot.

That's why getting Hutton made sense now, after he already cleared. Not that there was a high chance he would be claimed.

 

[ToneDog]

Ya, I agree. It's true that it would be better to get an asset back for a player you're going to lose. But they're getting waived because management wants to get them in the minors. Waivers is the risk when putting borderline NHL talent in the AHL.

Its not that the team thinks they're worthless in a trade, and then the claim shows they were wrong. So I get why it's happening a lot.

That's why getting Hutton made sense now, after he already cleared. Not that there was a high chance he would be claimed.

Hutton had nothing to do with losing Dzingel. "Taking" Hutton is additional compensation for taking Ritchie by taking Hutton's salary off their books IMO.

 

[96]

I remember this Dzingel guy lighting us up. I would've gave him a shot on the Leafs if possible cap-wise.

edit: Dzingel stats vs Leafs 18GP 6G 10A 16P. Second most points is against Buffalo, with 10 lol

edit 2: f*** I just saw SJ claimed him

 

[banks]

Hutton had nothing to do with losing Dzingel. "Taking" Hutton is additional compensation for taking Ritchie by taking Hutton's salary off their books IMO.

The "he" in the part you bolded was only Hutton. I didn't mean to imply getting Hutton had anything to do with Dzingle.

 

[Buds17]

I am bummed that we can't get a 5th or 6th round pick for these guys we lose to waivers.

I doubt the team believes they'll lose the player to a claim as often as they have though. Of course, sometimes that (trade) market just isn't there too. I think the hope with waivers might also be that the player could eventually find his way back to the organization in the same manner in which he left.

 

[rocketman588]

I will never understand this trade from the yotes perspective. Dubas robbed them blind.

I honestly assumed it was going to take a second this year to get rid of Ritchies deal. A 2025 to get him and a D who played in their top 4 is a heist.

They either doing us a favor or panicking that they won't be able to get guys under contract to play in their bullshit arena next year

 

[therealkoho]

I will never understand this trade from the yotes perspective. Dubas robbed them blind.

I honestly assumed it was going to take a second this year to get rid of Ritchies deal. A 2025 to get him and a D who played in their top 4 is a heist.

They either doing us a favor or panicking that they won't be able to get guys under contract to play in their bullshit arena next year

The Yotes are flat broke, take it from there.

 

[therealkoho]

I remember this Dzingel guy lighting us up. I would've gave him a shot on the Leafs if possible cap-wise.

edit: Dzingel stats vs Leafs 18GP 6G 10A 16P. Second most points is against Buffalo, with 10 lol

edit 2: f*** I just saw SJ claimed him

Zinger played on the 1st line last night with Logan Coture and didn't look too out of place. Don't think he stays there but SJ doesn't have many options with a ton of injuries

 

[rocketman588]

The Yotes are flat broke, take it from there.

They arguably took on a contract that's going to cost them more though correct? It seems like it's more difficult Of a buyout since it goes up

 

[ACC1224]

They arguably took on a contract that's going to cost them more though correct? It seems like it's more difficult Of a buyout since it goes up

Perhaps they feel they can flip him to another team.