Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[zeke]

I will..........I'm not.

Don't think you considered it. But you should.

But maybe you can come up with an answer as to why 4x as many Leafs get claimed on waivers than other teams....even though pretty much all of those guys end up back on waivers again promptly.

 

[keonsbitterness]

At the very least it would spare us the fan temper tantrums and conspiracy theories over losing guys on waivers.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Don't think you considered it. But you should.

But maybe you can come up with an answer as to why 4x as many Leafs get claimed on waivers than other teams....even though pretty much all of those guys end up back on waivers again promptly.

I can think of a few reasons. Why can't you?

 

[zeke]

I can think of a few reasons. Why can't you?

Please share.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Please share.

Come on, you're the analytical genius. Put your noggin to work. If I can think of some reasons, surely you can.

Impress me.

 

[zeke]

Come on, you're the analytical genius. Put your noggin to work. If I can think of some reasons, surely you can.

Impress me.

I gave an explanation. Please share yours.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I gave an explanation. Please share yours.

An emotional one, not a rational one. Not accepting that.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Don't ever, ever, ever let them tell you the rest of the league isn't obsessed with the Leafs.....

Now post the list of those that went through waivers since Dubas joined. It’s probably longer.

 

[zeke]

An emotional one, not a rational one. Not accepting that.

Perfectly rational.

Which is why you can't come up with a rational one of your own.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Perfectly rational.

Which is why you can't come up with a rational one of your own.

Perfectly emotional and you know it. It's an insult to pretend otherwise.

You're failing this test and it's not that hard. I'll even give you one clue: Kyle Dubas.

 

[zeke]

Perfectly emotional and you know it. It's an insult to pretend otherwise.

You're failing this test and it's not that hard. I'll even give you one clue: Kyle Dubas.

You can dance around giving an answer if you need to.

I gave one.

 

[Gallagbi]

Now post the list of those that went through waivers since Dubas joined. It’s probably longer.

What percentage of players on waivers usually get picked up?

 

[Alamo Leafer]

his tenure with us was so short-lived it didn't even register on the Wiki scale lol
Ryan Dzingel - Wikipedia

 

[Golden_Jet]

What percentage of players on waivers usually get picked up?

No idea. But as one poster said if not up against the cap all the time, it wouldn’t be necessary, as could carry a 22 or 23 man roster.

 

[The Podium]

No idea. But as one poster said if not up against the cap all the time, it wouldn’t be necessary, as could carry a 22 or 23 man roster.

You don’t even go here, why are you trolling the Leafs board.

 

[The Podium]

Don't think you considered it. But you should.

But maybe you can come up with an answer as to why 4x as many Leafs get claimed on waivers than other teams....even though pretty much all of those guys end up back on waivers again promptly.

It probably has to do with the Leafs ability to bury NHL salaries. Players like Dzingel normally wouldn’t be waived by teams since they can’t afford to pay that salary in the AHL. They kindve fall in the grey area where they have no trade value, but they’re still NHL bodies.

 

[Gallagbi]

No idea. But as one poster said if not up against the cap all the time, it wouldn’t be necessary, as could carry a 22 or 23 man roster.

Maybe, just not sure the significance of "more players passing through" comment if there's no measure of what's normal


Feels like it's a combination of quality depth players signing for good value causing them to get picked up.

 

[Dekes For Days]

For several year we've run 21-22 man rosters, while most other teams budget for 23.

I think you need to take a second look at what roster sizes a lot of competitive teams have been running in the flat cap era.

 

[showtime8]

There is an element of mis-managing the cap & also losing guys that are fringe NHL players that are easily replaceable. Both can be separate conversations and both can be tied together.

Like, would it be beneficial to have the cap space to keep a guy like Brooks to play 12-15 games a year for you? Sure. Is it a huge loss that he's not in the line-up for you? Not really.

Why do we get hung up on guys like Boyd, Timashov, Dell, etc. They aren't difference makers in the grand scheme of things and if they were, they wouldn't be getting waived.

 

[kb]

I think you need to take a second look at what roster sizes a lot of competitive teams have been running in the flat cap era.

You can lead a horse to water.....

If people actually looked at other teams cap situations....

 

[Zybalto]

Symptom of running a short roster. We probably waive more players than anyone else. For several year we've run 21-22 man rosters, while most other teams budget for 23. If management doesn't want to risk losing 14th forwards for nothing, they can always budget accordingly.

Bad luck from the covid flat cap timing. If we had the foresight, some of the contracts we signed with be a million less a season (and you would be seeing bigger contracts the last couple of yers than have been signed). Yea, we got screwed by it harder than most teams but it's lucky we have had one of the best GMs in the league over that time. The Kase/Bunting/Kampf deals were great->homerun level and even the big whiff with Ritchie could somehow turn out to be a win. Mrazek is the only bad deal right now and he could still turn things around for sure.

 

[zeke]

It probably has to do with the Leafs ability to bury NHL salaries. Players like Dzingel normally wouldn’t be waived by teams since they can’t afford to pay that salary in the AHL. They kindve fall in the grey area where they have no trade value, but they’re still NHL bodies.

Sounds nice....except most all of these guys have ended up right back on waivers.

 

[The Podium]

Symptom of running a short roster. We probably waive more players than anyone else. For several year we've run 21-22 man rosters, while most other teams budget for 23. If management doesn't want to risk losing 14th forwards for nothing, they can always budget accordingly.

15/32 teams are currently carrying a 23 man roster, 7/15 of those teams have a major salary on LTIR that provided them the room to carry a 23 man roster.

Which means only 8/32, or 1/4 of the league, budgeted for a 23 man roster.

 

[The Podium]

Sounds nice....except most all of these guys have ended up right back on waivers.

Not necessarily, this season Brooks was the only one to end up back on waivers, albeit multiple times.

 

[Bellefour20]

When does Dubas start to operate on the basis that waivers are not an option unless you want the player claimed?