Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[TMLAM34]

not really surprised they waived Zinger, he's a long way from those almost .5ppg seasons.

I have a feeling Dubas is still looking for another Dman, maybe one with some real motor and puck moving skills.



unbelievable that he took an interference on this hit, when he clearly separated that Canadien from the puck

Terrible call. Lovely hit.

 

[kb]

not really surprised they waived Zinger, he's a long way from those almost .5ppg seasons.

I have a feeling Dubas is still looking for another Dman, maybe one with some real motor and puck moving skills.



unbelievable that he took an interference on this hit, when he clearly separated that Canadien from the puck

It was on another player for the collision at the blueline that occurred a few seconds afterwards.
I thought the exact same thing too.

 

[ULF_55]

Ilya Lyubushkin, Possible Headache?

Pretty good video breakdown of boosh's game

Some decent opinions.
I do disagree with some of the assessments made, especially when he says he wants him to carry the puck more when he made a smart pass to an uncovered forward.

 

[ToneDog]

I hope Lyub does not come here thinking he needs to provide the grit this team is missing. Play your game and pick your spots.

 

[saltming]

Some decent opinions.
I do disagree with some of the assessments made, especially when he says he wants him to carry the puck more when he made a smart pass to an uncovered forward.

Agreed. A tape to tape pass is always a good option. The puck moves faster that way too

 

[ITM]

Terrible call. Lovely hit.

Dreadful call; Nails on chalkboard dreadful. I need earplugs and a bourbon (now!) dreadful.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Some decent opinions.
I do disagree with some of the assessments made, especially when he says he wants him to carry the puck more when he made a smart pass to an uncovered forward.

Thats right. He couldnt have skated into the middle of the ice as implied by the guy making the video. I dont agree with many of the "mistakes" he pointed out.

 

[saltming]

Thats right. He couldnt have skated into the middle of the ice as implied by the guy making the video. I dont agree with many of the "mistakes" he pointed out.

To be fair I don't think he was talking specifically about going to the middle on that play. Rather that boosh won't usually make that play to the middle and to be fair, that's old school defending. My coach would have hung my by my toes if I dumped the puck in the slot

 

[Ports]

Why would anyone be satisfied with that?

They shouldn’t be. This team hasn’t proven anything other than they can win during the regular season when the games aren’t as competitive or physical. A lot of fans love the players more than are concerned with the lack of playoff success.

 

[JSn0w93]

He is going to make our defence much more playoff ready. I'm seeing some under selling. I don't see him as depth. I see him as being stapled to our 3rd pair and PK and will maybe move up to see how he fairs for a game or two.

 

[ACC1224]

They shouldn’t be. This team hasn’t proven anything other than they can win during the regular season when the games aren’t as competitive or physical. A lot of fans love the players more than are concerned with the lack of playoff success.

Are you referring to something specifically?

 

[Ports]

No, I'm not satisfied with 1st round exits. I want the cup, but that's an entirely different discussion. Having Tavares is not the reason we've lost in the playoffs. In fact, not having Tavares was a big contributor to us losing last year.

I’m glad to hear that but working with the salary cap is one of the most important challenges a team has to overcome. Having four forwards taking up half the team’s cap space means each of those players need to provide great value since the team can’t afford many top players at other positions. Add in the tax advantage teams from the US have and it gets even tougher. Any underperforming players especially ones who make top dollar make the task harder still. If this is all Tavares is capable of delivering for $11M then chances for playoff success will be impacted. BTW, Tavares has won exactly one playoff round in 11 years in the league so he hasn’t exactly been Mark Messier. Hopefully this year is different but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Stephen]

I don't like the idea of people diminishing the value of a 2nd round pick, even if it's in 2025. Some of our favorite prospects Matthew Knies and Nicholas Robertson happen to be middle second rounders who were non distinct picks at the time, skyrocketing in value after the draft. So some real value went out the door to make this all happen.

That said the choice between a 2023 3rd and a 2025 2nd is a nice psychological play, since that earlier pick could be used in a number of ways by the Coyotes that could be more beneficial to them. Get a prospect in house earlier, use the pick to maneuver the board, etc.

The other thing is we are obviously getting value in Lyubushkin now, and a $2.5 million get out of jail free card next year. So that means the raise to Rielly without any further roster maneuvering, and the recovery of so much flexibility.

The other other thing is we can always recover those picks through trade between now and then.

 

[Leaffan197703]

Lol. What would happen if Yokes disband and there is no taker by 2025. Would the Leafs get to keep the pick or forfeit to the League.

If the team moves to a new location hopefully Quebec city the pick follows to the new team

 

[ULF_55]

I don't like the idea of people diminishing the value of a 2nd round pick, even if it's in 2025. Some of our favorite prospects Matthew Knies and Nicholas Robertson happen to be middle second rounders who were non distinct picks at the time, skyrocketing in value after the draft. So some real value went out the door to make this all happen.

That said the choice between a 2023 3rd and a 2025 2nd is a nice psychological play, since that earlier pick could be used in a number of ways by the Coyotes that could be more beneficial to them. Get a prospect in house earlier, use the pick to maneuver the board, etc.

The other thing is we are obviously getting value in Lyubushkin now, and a $2.5 million get out of jail free card next year. So that means the raise to Rielly without any further roster maneuvering, and the recovery of so much flexibility.

The other other thing is we can always recover those picks through trade between now and then.

Yeah, anyone think there aren't going to be more picks involved before 2025?

Leafs in 2025 have much, much, much bigger issues than a pick in the late 20's.

 

[smitty10]

If the team moves to a new location hopefully Quebec city the pick follows to the new team

They will stay in the West for alignment reasons. No chance the Yotes are the team that ends up in QC.

 

[HellasLEAF]

We shipped picks to clear up a mistake so I'll hardly give any credit to Dubas for this. At least Dubas intention was good to bring in some beef into the top 6. Thing is we needed that beef in the post season so guess we'll never know.

 

[Mess]

He is going to make our defence much more playoff ready. I'm seeing some under selling. I don't see him as depth. I see him as being stapled to our 3rd pair and PK and will maybe move up to see how he fairs for a game or two.

Both parts of the Muzzin/Holl shutdown pairing have struggled this year with consistency.

I'm curious if Keefe is going to try and pair Lyubushkin with Muzzin and see what happens, which at the same time pushes Holl into the bottom pairing.

Wonder if the coach sees the new guy as a top 4 dman or has him as a #5, #6 or even #7 and on some rotational basis with Dermott/Sandin and Lilly.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

not really surprised they waived Zinger, he's a long way from those almost .5ppg seasons.

I have a feeling Dubas is still looking for another Dman, maybe one with some real motor and puck moving skills.



unbelievable that he took an interference on this hit, when he clearly separated that Canadien from the puck

He didn't get called on interference for that hit. He wasn't even the one who took the penalty.

Lyubushkin is #46; the guy who took the penalty is #38.

And #38 did interfere with a Hab at 00:25. It wasn't much, but that gets called, especially when the other team is losing.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

A physical defender is a great pickup .. is he playing tonight?

 

[Amadeus]

A physical defender is a great pickup .. is he playing tonight?

Heard he's going to join tomorrow.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m glad to hear that but working with the salary cap is one of the most important challenges a team has to overcome.

And this team has shown an excellent ability to maneuver even the most difficult cap-related situations, with a good GM assisted by the person who literally wrote the salary cap.

Having four forwards taking up half the team’s cap space means each of those players need to provide great value since the team can’t afford many top players at other positions.

And all four of them do provide significant value and impact to our team.

If this is all Tavares is capable of delivering for $11M then chances for playoff success will be impacted.

You're rarely going to get big surplus value out of high-end UFA signings, but you do get a relatively safe, consistent high value from that cap allocation for no expended assets. Our chances for playoff success are increased by having Tavares rather than not having Tavares.

He has not prevented us from having good defense, or goaltending, or forward depth, even despite a pretty much worse-case-scenario flat cap, and the chances of getting more value out of that 11m in UFA signings is not as likely as people seem to think. Tavares may not provide much surplus value relative to his cap hit, but mid-tier UFA players that we'd otherwise be spending that money on carry significantly more risk of bringing negative value relative to cap hit, and sometimes even negative value overall. That's what could really sink our chances at a cup - not paying an elite player big money.

If you can’t skate, you can’t be effective in today’s game.

All NHL players can skate. Skating worse than the best skaters in the world does not and never has prevented Tavares from being an effective elite player.

Instead, it’s become a real impediment to them being able to compete with the top teams in the playoffs.

It hasn't though. Tavares has nothing to do with the reasons we've lost.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Heard he's going to join tomorrow.

thanks

 

[Fonzieleaf]

If Dzingel clears waivers we have good depth and a great piece for the marlies. If not, we get free money.

win win

 

[seanlinden]

Both parts of the Muzzin/Holl shutdown pairing have struggled this year with consistency.

I'm curious if Keefe is going to try and pair Lyubushkin with Muzzin and see what happens, which at the same time pushes Holl into the bottom pairing.

Wonder if the coach sees the new guy as a top 4 dman or has him as a #5, #6 or even #7 and on some rotational basis with Dermott/Sandin and Lilly.

Personally, that's one of the things I really like about the timing of this move.

It gives the Leafs a dozen or so games to see how he fits in -- whether he might be the "missing piece" that alows everyone to play a bit better.

If not, you can still add on the blueline, whether it's a "replace Holl" trade to get a bonafide top 4 guy, or a "replace Dermott" trade, that puts Holl and Lyubushkin as competing for the 6th spot.