Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Dzingel, Lyubushkin from ARI for Ritchie, c.2nd... Dzingel on waivers &claimed

[hockeywiz542]

Where does newly acquired defenceman Lyubushkin fit in with the Leafs? - TSN.ca

"There were a number of other teams that were interested, but they would've involved retention and other items we weren't interested in," Dubas said. "Arizona had the cap space. They also had a couple of players we were interested in."

The Leafs placed Dzingel on waivers on Sunday.

"He is an NHL player," said Dubas. "Selfishly, we hope he gets through and can provide us with depth, but if not that will just be another contract slot and some cash for us."

 

[Buds17]

Although I might be slightly surprised with Dzingel going on waivers, I can also understand wanting to retain the ability to be eight deep on defence. Unlike Amadio and Brooks, Dzingel is on a one-way deal. While his contract wouldn't affect a team's cap if he is in the AHL IIRC, some teams may not want to be on the hook for the actual money that he would be due.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'd say Nick Ritchie flunking out of an NHL job was not an outcome anyone in management or the fan base would have taken as a serious possibility last summer. He's just been that bad. So I don't think anyone would have been okay with the idea we could attach a 3rd or 2nd as a disposal fee.

But that said, the price is mostly for acquiring Lyubushkin, who should be filling a need they would have filled at the cost of a 2nd or 3rd anyway.

It was always a bit peculiar that the Bruins didn't qualify Ritchie at just $2 million after he scored 15 goals and started to show some top 9 ability. Now we understand why.

I think Dubas took a flier on him (sounding like other teams were interested) as a guy coming back to his hometown team that could fill a big need on the LW (a big bodied potential powerforward), but Nick just did not come ready. He consistently looked a step behind the play, making some poor decisions, and not really making an impact out there. He was hitting, but it clearly wasn't effective. Likely because he was behind the play, he could never cause that disrupt on the forecheck.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Inside the NHL: How one Leafs trade can lead to another, making room for Jack Eichel and rating the Hart race | The Star

Kyle Dubas looks poised to be a player before the trade deadline.

The deal the Maple Leafs general manager swung Saturday night cleared an important $2.5 million (U.S.) off the books for next year and added a couple of depth pieces for the rest of this one, but it didn’t cost him any of the assets he’ll need to bring to the table on or before March 21.

Most notably he still has first- and second-round picks in the upcoming draft, plus defencemen Justin Holl and Travis Dermott, and all of the organization’s prospect capital.

Some collection of those items can still be sacrificed to add a second-pairing defenceman and, perhaps, another forward capable of playing top-six minutes.

Ilya Lyubushkin, acquired from the Arizona Coyotes in Saturday’s trade, profiles as a third-pairing defender. While he addresses an organizational need as a right shot and physical player, he doesn’t appear likely to slot in beside Jake Muzzin on the second pairing.

Ryan Dzingel gives the Leafs another NHL-calibre forward as the other piece in the Coyotes deal — assuming he clears waivers Monday and gets stashed in the American Hockey League at zero cap charge — but he’s not a candidate to see minutes on the second line with John Tavares and William Nylander.

So, the shopping continues with four weeks still to go before the deadline.

The real tidy business accomplished with Saturday’s trade was that it allowed the Leafs to get out from under Nick Ritchie’s contract — freeing more room to get business done this summer. The Leafs somehow managed to do that without retaining salary at the cost of just a 2023 third-round pick or 2025 second-rounder.

Consider it a pre-emptive solution to a future problem.

Dubas and his management team will need to get creative to address shorter-term needs with very little cap space currently at their disposal, but they’ve got both time and assets on their side.

That’s what made Saturday’s trade so interesting: It left the Leafs in position to make another one.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Although I might be slightly surprised with Dzingel going on waivers, I can also understand wanting to retain the ability to be eight deep on defence. Unlike Amadio and Brooks, Dzingel is on a one-way deal. While his contract wouldn't affect a team's cap if he is in the AHL IIRC, some teams may not want to be on the hook for the actual money that he would be due.

I mean at the end of the day the Leafs slightly overpaid for a depth defender in getting rid of Ritchie's contract. If they manage to sneak Dzingel through waivers, that's some added gravy on top for depth on the wings.

 

[ShaneFalco]

With credit to Dubas, his mistakes generally aren't long term.

 

[Buds17]

I mean at the end of the day the Leafs slightly overpaid for a depth defender in getting rid of Ritchie's contract. If they manage to sneak Dzingel through waivers, that's some added gravy on top for depth on the wings.

Definitely. I think Lyubushkin should end up being more than a depth defender here more often than not actually. I was essentially trying to contemplate the chances of Dzingel clearing/not clearing waivers. I also did initially think that the play to create cap space/recoup futures would have involved trading Dermott though.

 

[seanlinden]

Although I might be slightly surprised with Dzingel going on waivers, I can also understand wanting to retain the ability to be eight deep on defence. Unlike Amadio and Brooks, Dzingel is on a one-way deal. While his contract wouldn't affect a team's cap if he is in the AHL IIRC, some teams may not want to be on the hook for the actual money that he would be due.

I don't think the Leafs have too many ambitions to be 8-deep on defence on a daily basis. To do so would be incredibly wasteful of cap dollars, and nobody really improves sitting in the press box.

I'll be really curious to see if Dzingel does indeed get claimed. He'd seemingly be a pretty valuable post-waivers player (sort of like Galchenyuk was), but is he worth a team giving up one of their ~13 roster forward spots for?

Once concerning thing for me -- is that a bad team could probably pick him up, with visions of flipping him at the deadline to a team that has some injuries at the time. If they waited until the deadline to waive him, obviously there's the risk that his play makes waivers impractical, but also the benefit that nobody can really make use of him as a post-deadline waiver pickup.

 

[Ciao]

I don't think the Leafs have too many ambitions to be 8-deep on defence on a daily basis. To do so would be incredibly wasteful of cap dollars, and nobody really improves sitting in the press box.

I'll be really curious to see if Dzingel does indeed get claimed. He'd seemingly be a pretty valuable post-waivers player (sort of like Galchenyuk was), but is he worth a team giving up one of their ~13 roster forward spots for?

Once concerning thing for me -- is that a bad team could probably pick him up, with visions of flipping him at the deadline to a team that has some injuries at the time. If they waited until the deadline to waive him, obviously there's the risk that his play makes waivers impractical, but also the benefit that nobody can really make use of him as a post-deadline waiver pickup.

You're overthinking this.

This is hockey, not canasta. He's the extra player, so put him on the discard pile. It's not like the Leafs have to decide whether to save their black three's.

 

[Buds17]

I don't think the Leafs have too many ambitions to be 8-deep on defence on a daily basis. To do so would be incredibly wasteful of cap dollars, and nobody really improves sitting in the press box.

I'll be really curious to see if Dzingel does indeed get claimed. He'd seemingly be a pretty valuable post-waivers player (sort of like Galchenyuk was), but is he worth a team giving up one of their ~13 roster forward spots for?

Once concerning thing for me -- is that a bad team could probably pick him up, with visions of flipping him at the deadline to a team that has some injuries at the time. If they waited until the deadline to waive him, obviously there's the risk that his play makes waivers impractical, but also the benefit that nobody can really make use of him as a post-deadline waiver pickup.

Dzingel might be in that category of player that doesn't have much in the way of trade value, while also being unlikely to clear waivers. An injury can of course increase the possibility of either a trade or waiver claim occurring just like that. I'm sure that having seven NHL calibre D led to some tough decisions at times and the team now boasting eight would only seem to increase the frequency of such situations. However, any injury on the blueline would also bring the team back to a pre-trade scenario (with the exception of now maybe having a different player in the mix).

 

[seanlinden]

Dzingel might be in that category of player that doesn't have much in the way of trade value, while also being unlikely to clear waivers. An injury can of course increase the possibility of either a trade or waiver claim occurring just like that. I'm sure that having seven NHL calibre D led to some tough decisions at times and the team now boasting eight would only seem to increase the frequency of such situations. However, any injury on the blueline would also bring the team back to a pre-trade scenario (with the exception of now maybe having a different player in the mix).

The "pre-trade" scenario meant that a short term injury to a forward would result in them playing 11f/7d if on the road, or having to send Liljegren down to bring up a forward.

In an ideal world, teams would carry 13F and 7D. While a team does need to / should be 8 deep, or more, on the blueline, the only real value in carrying 8D is if demoting one would risk them being lost to waivers.

That isn't the case here. Liljegren is going to be better served playing in the AHL than he is in the press box.

Let Dermott continue to be the team's 7th D. Accrue some cap space, and if somebody gets hurt, Liljegren MAYBE misses 1 game's worth of travel opportunity due to logistics.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

If someone told you on day 1 you can take a chance on a age + skillset combo like Ritchies and all it will cost you if it goes wrong is a 2nd round pick 3 years down the line, you take that deal every single time. The benefit from it working out far out weighs the cost. This is just basics.

A 2025 2nd is what, a 2022 5th.

What? Who cares if it's a 2025 pick? A 2nd is a 2nd. The team might be worse then, and it might be a deep draft. I'm still planning to be alive in 10 years and probably following the Leafs. It's not like it's a 2050 pick.

With credit to Dubas, his mistakes generally aren't long term.

I mean, all of the UFA dumpster diving is a result of Dubas' team contract structure, which doesn't need to be re-litigated here. You can give him credit for the generally good UFA signings from this summer without loving the idea of trading a 2nd or 1st every year for a mediocre rental and/or to clear cap room.

 

[BodaciousBeefBazooka]

Poor Dzingle lmao

 

[Macallan18]

With credit to Dubas, his mistakes generally aren't long term.

Exactly, there isn't one bad contract that we have. People can argue we are overpaying a touch for Marner or Tavares (I don't think we are) but it is by a small amount at most, definitely offset by the Nylander contract.
All our money being paid out is working for us.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

don't love Dzingel on waivers but I understand it under the condition that we have our eyes on some other middle 6/bottom 6 forward out there. I would love to give this guy a look in Engvall's place, because while I don't think he adds offence over Engvall, he certainly adds some grit to compliment Simmonds and make that a harder line to play against while still having above average speed and decent puck skills.

It's not a McCann tier headscratcher but it's frustrating when I feel one of Holl or Dermott should have been moved by now which would have helped to avoid our silly defensive log jam in the first place. Is sending Liljigren down temporarily really such a terrible idea if we have the intention of trading a D soon?

 

[saltming]

Ilya Lyubushkin, Possible Headache?

Pretty good video breakdown of boosh's game

 

[Ports]

We've already built a cup contender. We are one. Tavares is a 1C by any measure, and can drive a line. He's always been relatively slow, and that has never prevented him from being an elite player, and has not prevented him from being an effective and valuable part of our puck-possession team for years. There's no reason to think he's regressing, or will anytime soon. Our team has the 7th best defensive results in the league this year, and were similar last year - he hasn't prevented us from building a great team in all areas. Tavares is a better player than Kadri, and Kadri sealed his fate here when he took a 2nd consecutive playoff suspension.

I guess you’re satisfied with first round exits.

 

[ACC1224]

I guess you’re satisfied with first round exits.

Why would anyone be satisfied with that?

 

[Ashdown2]

Ilya Lyubushkin, Possible Headache?

Pretty good video breakdown of boosh's game

i appreciate that people take time to make these videos and its cool ... but honestly i think Han is using the wrong clips and/or he found 4 or 5 clips and tried to make a video on it.
like actually post video of him making bad passes are dumb decisions like you are saying the the video... if you cant post the examples, then your comments are kind of full of shit.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I guess you’re satisfied with first round exits.

No, I'm not satisfied with 1st round exits. I want the cup, but that's an entirely different discussion. Having Tavares is not the reason we've lost in the playoffs. In fact, not having Tavares was a big contributor to us losing last year.

 

[Ports]

Agreed. The league gets faster every year and every season it looks worse for him. I don't think he has been very good at all this season. Yes, he's putting up points but if you actually watch him, he doesn't really stand out anymore in todays NHL.

Yes and it’s pretty easy to see. If you can’t skate, you can’t be effective in today’s game. The days of hooking and holding are over. He’s not physical either so he just doesn’t offer enough for $11M. Kinda sad really. I was hoping it would work out for him and the team. Hometown kid and all that. Instead, it’s become a real impediment to them being able to compete with the top teams in the playoffs.

 

[saltming]

i appreciate that people take time to make these videos and its cool ... but honestly i think Han is using the wrong clips and/or he found 4 or 5 clips and tried to make a video on it.
like actually post video of him making bad passes are dumb decisions like you are saying the the video... if you cant post the examples, then your comments are kind of full of shit.

Agreed cherry picking is a thing and I'm sure he did to highlight his point.
My thoughts are that boosh's 'short commings' could be a strength on a team like the Leafs where the forwards are always cycling back to cover the d when they pinch.
Just because it doesn't work in the coyotes system doesn't mean it won't here

 

[aingefan]

Agreed cherry picking is a thing and I'm sure he did to highlight his point.
My thoughts are that boosh's 'short commings' could be a strength on a team like the Leafs where the forwards are always cycling back to cover the d when they pinch.
Just because it doesn't work in the coyotes system doesn't mean it won't here

I’m not sure if he is the teams sixth best defender, but I can envision how his skill set could make one of those six play better and more freely. So it might be a sum of the parts kind of situation.

 

[saltming]

I’m not sure if he is the teams sixth best defender, but I can envision how his skill set could make one of those six play better and more freely. So it might be a sum of the parts kind of situation.

I think Kyle is hoping that's the situation here

 

[therealkoho]

not really surprised they waived Zinger, he's a long way from those almost .5ppg seasons.

I have a feeling Dubas is still looking for another Dman, maybe one with some real motor and puck moving skills.



unbelievable that he took an interference on this hit, when he clearly separated that Canadien from the puck