Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Bernier for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 14 or 15

[Paradoc]

You know who coaches the Kings right?

You know with Rotten Ronnie Reimer had a .921 in 37 games in 2010-2011 before his concussion season?

Perhaps it wasn't just Carlyle.

Seems since he did it with both his coaches so we can throw that myth out the window.

Meh, I would say his performance surprised pretty much everyone that year. Once players knew his weakness he came back down to earth. Though, I won't discredited what he did this year. Like I said above, i'm pretty much confident Bernier will replace Reimer as the starter and I stand by that statement no matter what.

 

[The Legend]

I rather trust king fans who watched Bernier play than some fan who based his opinion on Bernier performance by stats.

Btw, kings fan are going to love Frattin. Good replacement for Penner.

Ya - stats suck. What value do they have?

 

[Ari91]

Not surprising that some who love the deal are acting like Reimer is some scrub goalie while some who hate the deal are acting like we gave a star player to get a passable goalie. Gotta love HF

I would expect that Nonis is going to tell Reimer (or has told Reimer) that this move isn't a knock on Reimer's abilities but it's a move that makes the team better overall by having two capable goalies and that the position isn't going to be handed to anyone. You gotta earn your keeps. Nothing wrong with our GM and coach instilling the importance of accountability in our players. Bernier has shown that he has the ability to steal games for his team. Reimer has shown the same. As much as I like the names on the back of the jersey, I love the crest on the front a whole lot better and unlike some people who feel like you need to have a clear starter, I'm perfectly fine with having a very solid tandem than can challenge one another for top spot. I do like the fact that Bernier has acknowledged what Reimer has been to the Leafs and that he will have to battle for the starting position - but let's be honest, he's got a far better shot against Reimer than he did against Quick. When you put together what Quick did and win a Conn Smythe for your efforts, it's tough to put that guy on the bench barring poor play due to an injury.

 

[The Blue Devil]

because of his skill set being more advanced. for all we know reimer may never develop a reliable glove hand and may just rely upon his positioning to help make most of his stops.


i like the trade, as much as i love frattin, getting a high potential G is much more important then having frattin. also a plus that the pick is next season or 2015.

For all we know Bernier flops.

I've said it before, I like the deal, just don't like how Bernier's being heralded as a Vezina winner for us before even playing a game.

 

[Vexed]

Giving up Frattin isnt too much?

I don't think he was all that good tbh. I think he can be a decent player but not a core piece.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Giving up Frattin isnt too much?

Seriously, we act like he's Kadri

 

[ULF_55]

I don't think he was all that good tbh. I think he can be a decent player but not a core piece.

Wonder how many line-ups we could find with Frattin on the 2nd. line posted here within the past month?

Hopefully the people now trashing him get a chance to run around and make updates before it comes to light!

Value for value.

 

[hockeywiz542]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...-goalie-competition-open-after-bernier-trade/

GM Dave Nonis made it pretty clear during today’s press conference that he expects a healthy competition for the starts in Toronto.

“We feel – and most teams think – that goaltending is the most important position in the game,” Nonis said. “This is clearly not a knock on James. James has done a very good job. He’s improved every year and we’re expecting that to continue next season.

“I don’t think you can be deep enough at that position. We got younger and deeper today and we feel our team is stronger because of it.”

Nonis said he wasn’t able to reach Reimer following the announcement, but the message was simple: “Nothing’s being guaranteed to anybody.” (Even with Bernier’s “pedigree of success.”)

He believes that the team now has two of the top young goaltenders in the league in Bernier, 24, and Reimer, 25. While it remains to be seen, the Buds executive doesn’t expect any personality conflicts.

Even after landing Bernier, it’s clear that Toronto’s work isn’t done. Nonis admitted that he expects to make a couple moves before free agency kicks off on July 5, justifying today’s early rumblings about Dion Phaneuf.

 

[JackJ]

Frattin, easily replaceable with many players coming up from the Marlies.

and possibly better suited for a bottom six role

 

[Kbs]

I like the trade. I said a couple times that I liked the idea of a Bernier-Reimer tandem. They'll be able to push each other and it's not like Reimer has proven he can handle an 82 game season as an undisputed #1.

It sucks to lose Frattin since he showed he still might be able to produce at the NHL level, but it's not a big loss. Scrivens will likely only be a backup in the NHL so it's not exactly a big loss. It sucks to lose a 2nd rounder, but at least we get to choose between 2014 or 2015.

 

[firstemperor]

My first reaction was blah. Those were chips that could have been used for a defenseman or for a centre.

Frattin doesn't net you a #1C as the center peice of a deal, not even close. Frattin as a center peice might have gotten us a Michalek/Morris/Redmond type at best. We're getting a player at a premium position with incredibly high upside in Bernier. Seriously, he has as high of a ceiling as any goaltending prospect out there, and at his price, is a steal.

Trust me when I say, we'll be very happy about this deal moving forward. Frattin's a good peice but his upside is significantly lower than Bernier's.

 

[The Blue Devil]

I would say that is true. Last year Reimer SV% was .900 yet when Carlyle came his SV% increased to .924. Plus even Scrivens got a SV of above .915. Carlyle system was basically force the attacker to shoot from the outside where majority of the shots went against. Plus, I doubt Reimer would have the same SV if this was a full season.

Reimer had a .921 SV% in his first year with Wilson as the coach so....

 

[Ari91]

Such an amazing deal
Scrivens was garbage. Was fine for ahl
Frattin was god awful after his injury and ahl stint

Huge move

Welcome Bernier

That's pretty rough. Scrivens is a capable back up. I'll be honest, while fundamentals are important and telling, the most important thing to me is that the goalie keeps the puck out of the net, not as important to me how he does it. Tim Thomas defies all logic with the way he plays in net and yet he put a team on his back and was the biggest factor in the Bruins winning a Cup a couple years back. So with that said, Scrivens did his job well in Toronto and he should likely do even better in LA given they are much better defensively.

As for Frattin, he was far from garbage. His timing was off when he first returned from his knee procedure and he lost all of his offensive flare after returning but the guy is a workhorse. He did the little things right. He skated hard, he played physical...he's not an all or nothing kind of player where if he isn't scoring, he's totally useless on the ice.

Either Nonis thinks he can resign Mac for a reasonable price or he has plans to go hard for a guy in the UFA class because with Frattin gone and Mac possibly not returning, that opens up a spot in the top 6. I suspect that a Marlies player will graduate to the Leafs to round out any holes in the bottom 6.

 

[Porn*]

Frattin was a nice piece. he'll develop into a solid 40pts 3rd liner who can fill in on the 2nd. As the key part in a move for a potential #1 goalie, we may have robbed the Kings. This is an excellent deal for us and should be stoked to have better goalie depth now as insurance.

 

[ULF_55]

Bernier didn't play a minute during the Stanley Cup run?

 

[Paradoc]

Reimer had a .921 SV% in his first year with Wilson as the coach so....

Like I said his performance caught everyone surprised and he did have a hot streak going for about 37 games. Not going to discredited that season because it saved us from letting boston get another top 3 pick, but once he got exposed every player was aiming glove side he went from a .902 sv next season.

 

[The Blue Devil]

Meh, I would say his performance surprised pretty much everyone that year. Once players knew his weakness he came back down to earth. Though, I won't discredited what he did this year. Like I said above, i'm pretty much confident Bernier will replace Reimer as the starter and I stand by that statement no matter what.

"Came back down to earth?" You mean when he was prematurely brought back from his concussion?

 

[Kbs]

I find it amusing how other fans are trying to paint this as Reimer being mistreated when it's probably the same people who were saying Reimer is never good enough to be a #1.

I know it's nothing new, but people love to hate on the Leafs even if they look like morons doing it.

 

[egd27]

Wonder how much influence new Leaf exec Tim Lieweke had in this outcome?

His former connections to LA would suggest it certainly exists.

My biggest concern.

 

[Jeffler]

Jeffler and Dangle hate it, so it's clear this is a good trade

Post of the year

 

[The Legend]

My first reaction was blah. Those were chips that could have been used for a defenseman or for a centre.

It's called opportunity cost - and its something that people don't seem to comprehend. Same reason why the Orr signing is bad.

I hope people are excited for the Leafs spending $4M on a backup goalie and a guy can't play in the third period.

 

[The Legend]

Bernier didn't play a minute during the Stanley Cup run?

And seemed to not play that well in the WJHC or the Mem Cup (there were rumours he "exaggerated" an injury).

 

[BraveCanadian]

Like I said his performance caught everyone surprised and he did have a hot streak going for about 37 games. Not going to discredited that season because it saved us from letting boston get another top 3 pick, but once he got exposed every player was aiming glove side he went from a .902 sv next season.

More like when he got run and had a concussion.

 

[Duffman955]

My biggest concern.

The principles of the deal were in place since last year.

I don't think anyone besides Nonis had a huge impact on this deal.

 

[Paradoc]

"Came back down to earth?" You mean when he was prematurely brought back from his concussion?

You mean Gionta concussion? If I recall he wasn't playing well before the conscussion so not sure. Anyway if that was true, why did the management decide to play him if they knew the concussion would have brought down his performance.