Good things about the trade: Leafs get the player with the highest upside in a critical position while giving up only easily replaceable assets. Bad things about the trade: Does not cure cancer or establish world peace.
Confirmed with Link: Leafs acquire Bernier for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 14 or 15
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agreed but your d needs more work in terms of shutdown d man than replacing a 23 year old maybe gaolie for another maybe
OTHER DEALS MUST BE COMING
Nylanderthal
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Actually no, they don't play nearly as defensive a system as you'd think. Sure, they button it down in the playoffs but, they were top 10 in GF as well as being top 10 in GA, the Leafs on the other hand even with Reimers 924 sv% everyone clamours for were 18 in GA, which is on the wrong side of the top 15/16 (playoff spots) This years leafs team was carried by quick strike offence and a defensive system that allowed the goalie the greatest chance to succeed at stopping pucks.
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That much is true. But with Reimers injury history it will be good to have some insurance in net.
But the main reason why Bernier has been unproven is because he hasn't had the chance to prove himself because he is stuck behind a top 2-5 goalie in the league...I know Toskala was in a similar situation behind Nabokov back then, but I don't think he was ever considered to have the potential that Bernier has since his days in junior right through to the NHL.
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Wow this board is so frustrating sometimes.. who in their right mind really thinks we could have traded a back up goalie (who I doubt would have even seen the light of day in the NHL if not for Toronto's goalie problems) and a third liner who can hardly even stay on the big club (and wasn't good after he came back from injury) for a #1 centre?? Give your head a shake!
And all of a sudden Reimer is the #1 goalie we've been waiting for? He's injury prone, inconsistent and every player in the nhl knows he can't save a puck high glove (0-5 in shootouts). When the Leafs are planning on him being #1 he's unproven and everyone complains.. now that we have a potential superstar goalie Reimer is a God on skates and we didn't need the upgrade. ok...
And all of a sudden Reimer is the #1 goalie we've been waiting for? He's injury prone, inconsistent and every player in the nhl knows he can't save a puck high glove (0-5 in shootouts). When the Leafs are planning on him being #1 he's unproven and everyone complains.. now that we have a potential superstar goalie Reimer is a God on skates and we didn't need the upgrade. ok...
I think what I like most about this trade is that it signals that Nonis isn't afraid to make waves.
Good move. Frattin will be missed, but is replaceable. As much as I love Reimer, it never hurts to have more skill/potential in net. Goaltending above all else has been the achilles heel of this hockey club for years. If Reimer is injured or takes a step back in his development, we now have an ace in the hole in the form of a young goaltender who, by all accounts, might well be a star in the making.
Good move. Frattin will be missed, but is replaceable. As much as I love Reimer, it never hurts to have more skill/potential in net. Goaltending above all else has been the achilles heel of this hockey club for years. If Reimer is injured or takes a step back in his development, we now have an ace in the hole in the form of a young goaltender who, by all accounts, might well be a star in the making.
i love frattin and hope he becomes a 20+ goal scorer there, but this is a trade the leafs need to make and IMO win.
Sure Reimer could turn out to be great but there's nothing wrong with having the option of 2 great goalies, or incase 1 does flop.
Sure Reimer could turn out to be great but there's nothing wrong with having the option of 2 great goalies, or incase 1 does flop.
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As Nonis said his goal is to upgrade wherever he can, goalie happens to be the easiest to do that in and so it's done. Do you truly believe that not having Frattin or Scrivens is what will stop us from an upgrade at C or D ?
This was a good value deal and no matter how you look at it. Bernier is an upgrade on Scrivens and Frattin was not a major part of the team so our team improved, try as you might to spin it negatively.
I like this deal, wasn't sold on either player so I'll only miss the 2nd which for Bernier, I don't mind one bit.
I also like that he is so young and has a cup ring, he knows what it takes to get there even if he was not the starter. This is a quality our team needs more of, the culture of winning.
If I later find out we missed out on Malkin or Yandle because the other party had wanted Frattin or Scrivens so badly I will buy into your negativity, until then, not so much.
Alerion
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Reimer isn't moving immediately because if Bernier is a bust that leaves us high and dry. Expect both to start until a clear #1 emerges.
Nylanderthal
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I agree, if anybody really thought that we would go into training camp with the same goalie set up we went into this shortened season with then I'm glad they're not in hockey ops. Reimer has yet to carry a load greater than 20 games at a time and we sure do not want to be in a situation of reimer out and us going with Scrivens and Macintyre/Mark from the park?
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This deal pretty much Guarantees we will see great goaltending for years to come.
Whether its from Reimer or Bernier is what remains to be seen.
Whether its from Reimer or Bernier is what remains to be seen.
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BlueBaron
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They will retain part of Frattins salery, 500k by the sound of it. This I believe is limited to one year.
This was part of the new CBA and ironically and idea Burke pushed hard for, I think we already retained some salery in an earlier trade this year.
The jury is out on this deal, hope Bernier is the answer. At least we won't be getting Luongo!!!! Yay!
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Which Top 4 D or top 6 C do you get for a package including any of what we just moved? Like someone previously said if we are talking trade for top end talent, then its not Frattin, its Kulie and or JVR or Gunnarson/Franson and its 1st round pick(s) or #51 this year, not a 2nd in the future... Lets get some perspective on values here people.
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Nonis has just acquired Jonathan Bernier who is a proven winner and successful at every level he has played.. NHL, AHL, CHL, and internationally with Team Canada at Spengler and WJC etc.
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Neither goaltender is going anywhere any time soon. The farm is years away from having anyone bump either one out and individually both can get us into the playoffs.
It isn't but the new way is taking on cap space. (ex. the Lombardi trade)
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So he was supposed to see around the 7ft Chara on the tying goal or make a save on a puck that Gardiner gift wrapped for Bergeron in OT? What about the first goal where he had 2 players in front of him, he was supposed to stop that as well? The 2nd goal the Leafs were just puck watching while Lucic gave Horton a nice cross-ice pass, but of course that's Reimer's fault for not having the reflexes of a god, right?
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You can't trade cash in the new CBA, but your can eat cap salary or retain cap salary in any trade under the new CBA.
Apparently Leafs are taking approximate $500k cap hit according to reports.
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