Proposal: Leafs acquire a defenseman

[BlueBaron]

Could someone tell me what happens with a top three protected pick. If it becomes top three does the acquiring team get that teams first pick the following year regardless of placing or how does it work ?

Yes generally that's how it works.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Larsson doesnt get too much love in general, his style isnt super flashey... he plays outside north america so not easily accesible.

As far as value goes, i think larsson is least likely to move, then it depends on who we move if we move fowler or vatanen. Vatanen moved, i think theodore becomes available, fowler moves i think montour becomes available.

Isn't he in the AHL now, or did he head back to Sweden?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Love how JVR and Kapp are considered spare parts... top line winger and a potential top line winger with elite skating.
What a joke.

 

[The Podium]

What would it take to get Sproul out of Detroit?

 

[Exit Dose]

Isn't he in the AHL now, or did he head back to Sweden?

They had to send him back to Sweden.

 

[34]

None of the following core that the team is building around are available,

JVR
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Rielly

 

[StephenPeat]

Using that deal as a template I'm sure TO could get a good dman for JVR if the added Reilly....

Yeah TO fans (and most others) seem to forget that Bogosian was a part of that deal (and some would argue the more valuable piece). Not surprisingly it's most often from people trying to suggest that wingers have valuable sufficient to target Top 4D.

Since it hasn't been said, I doubt the Caps consider a trade for Bowey based around any of the Leafs pieces being offered (a case could be made for JVR but as it stands now, particularly regarding the Expansion Draft, it's highly unlikely). The Caps wouldn't trade a Top Prospect D for a Top Prospect wing right now because of organizational depth.

 

[Jozay]

So basically other teams give you their top D or top D prospect and you just give up spare parts? Okay.

jvr is a first liner

 

[Phion Keneuf]

None of the following core that the team is building around are available,

JVR
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Rielly

Add Zaitsev, and I would move JVR if the price is right; but it definitely won't be as low as most people on HF think it is... top 4 young RHD minimum

 

[Hunter368]

Add Zaitsev, and I would move JVR if the price is right; but it definitely won't be as low as most people on HF think it is... top 4 young RHD minimum

Jvr for a top 4 young RHD? That's going to be a hard deal to find.

List some potential targets you might consider possible trades that fit the description young top 4 RHD that you might be able to get for jvr.

Everything else listed in the op won't get you a young top 4 RHD

 

[Menzinger]

None of the following core that the team is building around are available,

JVR
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Rielly

Eh, I'm not sure JVR is a lock to stay with the team long term.

Not to say management is actively looking to trade him - but he's probably the most likely to be moved of hat list

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Jvr for a top 4 young RHD? That's going to be a hard deal to find.

List some potential targets you might consider possible trades that fit the description young top 4 RHD that you might be able to get for jvr.

Everything else listed in the op won't get you a young top 4 RHD

if we find it, then great.. if not, we will gladly keep JVR.

He is a great complimentary player who can rack up points and is a big bodied net presence, could be a great fit beside Matthews soon

Hamilton/Hamonic-like player maybe

 

[Sojourn]

Love how JVR and Kapp are considered spare parts... top line winger and a potential top line winger with elite skating.
What a joke.

So is Chris Kunitz. Doesn't mean I'd want my team to pay a premium for him. JVR isn't a guy I'd lean on to drive the play. He's the guy I'd put with the guys who drive the play, and who I'd hope can take advantage of the opportunity. He's good, he isn't great.

A potential top line winger doesn't mean a whole lot at this stage. He's an unproven prospect. A good one, sure, but if people weren't willing to call someone like Montour blue chip, they wouldn't call Kapanen one either. Neither one of them are sure things. Top quality defensemen are a rarity in this league, and if you have a proven one, you're very likely going to want proven assets in return.

And the argument that some have made that Kapanen is Toronto's best forward prospect doesn't carry a ton of weight either. That's true because the players who were ahead of him are currently in the NHL. If Anaheim had all three of Theodore, Montour, and Larsson all suddenly playing in the NHL at the same time, that puts the 4th ranked guy at the top of Anaheim's D prospect list. That doesn't suddenly mean he is worth more. Kapanen is worth what he's worth based on his play, and whatever value GM's give to his potential. Not because he's a top prospect for Toronto. That's just an artificial attempt to inflate his value.

Edit: And yes, JVR has a good contract, but it's one that will expire soon. He'll be due a raise. I don't really want to be trading for the next Bobby Ryan.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Hamonic+ for Kadri

Plus is on the wrong side. We'd need to add for sure.

Also, thanks for those who contributed even if us imaginary GMs didn't determine anything in here

 

[clunk]

But you guys already have 'better than Tanev' Zaitsev. You don't need a top pairing d-man.

 

[TheCLAM]

Grundstrom was a late 2nd round pick last summer and Kapanen is a good wing prospect (not great, good). Neither are going to be main pieces for a top-4 D or a top end D prospect. I wouldn't trade Pouliot for Kapanen or Grundstrom and he's probably on par with most of the D prospects listed.

You can keep your bust

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah what a novel idea right? Leafs obviously need defenseman.

So there is obviously prime aged, young, or prospect level to go for.

Right now we have assets available;

Roster players with value - JVR, Bozak, Soshnikov
Defense (minimal value) - Hunwick, Corrado, Polak

Prospects with value we can part with

Forward - Bracco, Kapanen, Johnson, Lindberg, Leipsic, Timashov, Grundstrom (would hurt)

Defense - Valiev

Goalie - N/A we really only have Andersen and Woll is so far out...

Picks - Pretty much every pick minus our 1st round pick is available.

Cap dumps - We may be able to take a bit of salary back to help facilitate a deal.

Anyone else feel free to bring up, I tried to bring up the notables who'd have value in other fan's eyes.

If you've read this far, you're probably thinking this is all well and good but blah blah, Leaf's scraps again. Not true, some good top 6 talent or projectable top 6 talent. Valiev is a pretty good defensive prospect as well.

So i'd like to throw out some names prospect wise or roster player wise from other teams the Leafs would have varying degrees of interest in and ask if any combination of the above assets would interest you enough to part with that piece? Does your team need more forward prospects or roster players and want to parlay some defense? Re-coup some picks?

Thanks in advance for your constructive contribution to the thread.

Tanev (VAN)
McCavoy (BOS)
Fabbro (NSH)
Carlo (BOS)
Juulsen (MTL)
McKeown (CAR)
Santini (NJD)
Pulock (NYI)
Myers (PHI)
Myers (WPG)
Bowey (WSH)
Honka (DAL)
Schmaltz (STL)
Vannelli (STL)
Trouba (WPG)
Montour (ANA)
Stone (ARI)
Andersson (CAL)
Moverare (LAK)

I did aim pretty high with this and imagine i'll have half the fan bases in the league making some sort of sarcastic comment but I figured it made more sense to base it all in here rather then make 20 threads.

You're not getting any of these quality D man for what you've listed up here. Let's be reasonable you're not getting and of these D men listed for what you're offering. Gardiner would at least need to be available especially for Trouba if not Rielly and seeing that Trouba wont commit to Canada other then Winnipeg he would be a non starter.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What would it take to get Sproul out of Detroit?

Sprouls been one of our better young D men right now, Doubt we've any interest in moving him right now. Especially to a divisional rival.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Hamonic+ for Kadri

It would be Kadri+ for Hamonic, Not the other way around.

 

[TOGuy14]

Plus is on the wrong side. We'd need to add for sure.

Also, thanks for those who contributed even if us imaginary GMs didn't determine anything in here

It would be Kadri+ for Hamonic, Not the other way around.

Should be noted that the guy who posted that is an Isles fan

 

[varano]

Tanev isn't available for what you have listed. Gudbranson, on the other hand, could be had for something like Kapenen, Dermott/Nielsen, and a cap dump not named Lupul/Horton.

Just because your GM is a moron, doesn't mean everyone else is.

A shut down number 4 D man who contributes nothing offensively doesn't net you that return

 

[Empoleon8771]

You can keep your bust

-implying you would actually offer anything that makes me want to move him

Lol, I'd rather have Pouliot than a collection of spare parts that I'd get offered from Leafs fans. Pouliot is about as much of a bust as Honka is, which is to say he's not.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Should be noted that the guy who posted that is an Isles fan

Wow pretty sad then when an Isles fan doesn't even know that value of his own player. Hamonic definitely has more value then Kadri.

 

[4thline]

-implying you would actually offer anything that makes me want to move him

Lol, I'd rather have Pouliot than a collection of spare parts that I'd get offered from Leafs fans. Pouliot is about as much of a bust as Honka is, which is to say he's not.

It's funny, that list of spare parts includes your former top forward prospect, who would either still be your top forward prospect or would be comfortably in your 9.

 

[4thline]

Wait for the summer, go for either Stone or Alzner and/or throw 2-3 of our B+ prospects at LV. They've got a whole system to stock from scratch. A guy like Bracco will have much more value to them with his age and upside.