Leaf poll. Load up on picks or dump em all? - Now with Poll Options 2023-11-20

[darrylsittler27]

I think the problem is if Calgary trade Hanafin they are conceding the season. A first plus Minten does nothing for them now and is a gamble. Minten may only be ba 3rd line centre. All these rumours don't add up. Calgary doesnt owe Treveling anything.A Leafs first rounder could be nothing. Calgary will demand Knies, Liljegren plus.

treliving already have a connection with Hanifin and he know more than anyone what he would would like... if exemple ha ifin will be okay to resign in Toronto exemple around 6,5M because he want to win and play in a contender team, we doesn't talk about a rental anymore... like Lindholm with Boston gave up 1 st and 2 2nd pick, be sure they already knew Lindholm was ready to resign in Boston.

si yes giving up exemple 1st pick+ minten and maybe a small thing for hanifin and know he would be ready to resign in toronto would be a great move

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[thusk]

I think the problem is if Calgary trade Hanafin they are conceding the season. A first plus Minten does nothing for them now and is a gamble. Minten may only be ba 3rd line centre. All these rumours don't add up. Calgary doesnt owe Treveling anything.A Leafs first rounder could be nothing. Calgary will demand Knies, Liljegren plus.

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they can want knies or liljegren but no team will give their top young player who already playing an important role in the team for a rental/ guy with only 1 year remaining. they will take the best offert they can and thats it

 

[darrylsittler27]

Our forwards were better with O Reilly and Accari and we barely won a round. You need to remember the playoffs is for real men.

I personally think our forward group has never been better, I'm suspect of our goaltending but I think that improves with a better defense,.so, thay would be mu focus.

Rs

 

[darrylsittler27]

That offer will be higher at TD. Hannifin has major value to a team like Boston who will want to upset Toronto. We live in bubble fantasizing we are the only bidder.

 

[banks]

The Leafs had better be all-in.

I don't mean they have to trade their 1st rounder or Knies or anything. But with the core of the team in their prime, they had better be going for it. The window is now.

 

[Smif]

Our forwards were better with O Reilly and Accari and we barely won a round. You need to remember the playoffs is for real men.

Rs

O'Reilly ias a better C than Domi but he was often used in the top 6 which negated his best asset to a team. As is right now we have three scoring lines and a solid checking line and we have decent grit throughout. I like it better than last years forward group.

 

[francis246]

I don’t see how you can load up on picks. Cup window is now. Do whatever it takes to get 1 and then tear it down.

 

[darrylsittler27]

O'Reilly ias a better C than Domi but he was often used in the top 6 which negated his best asset to a team. As is right now we have three scoring lines and a solid checking line and we have decent grit throughout. I like it better than last years forward group.

Grit? I wouldn't say that. Without Reeves they are kinda soft.

 

[Smif]

Grit? I wouldn't say that. Without Reeves they are kinda soft.

What games have we been pushed around and intimidated in? At this point, it's not an issue, I've been happy with the team in that regard this year, maybe it's just been since the Liljegren injury where it was addressed.

 

[-DeMo-]

I don’t see how you can load up on picks. Cup window is now. Do whatever it takes to get 1 and then tear it down.

you have to realistically look at the team, and to be honest the team is only go as far as our core 5 is going to take us. so if Domi as an example is coveted by another team willing to give up a good pick you take it, if Woll is good enough to be the starter heading into the playoffs and someone gives us a good pick for Samsonov you move him. these moves are not so that we can draft and develop a player they will more likely be assets used to improve our roster in the summer. by trading for a quality Dman or goalie if none of samsonov/Woll play well enough. if the goal is the stanley cup Picks can certainly help going forward achieve the goal of winning the cup.

 

[TheRumble]

Grit? I wouldn't say that. Without Reeves they are kinda soft.

You have got to be shitting me with this take.

 

[darrylsittler27]

What games have we been pushed around and intimidated in? At this point, it's not an issue, I've been happy with the team in that regard this year, maybe it's just been since the Liljegren injury where it was addressed.

Reg season is soft. I'm more concerned about our top 4. Weak men don't do well when the going gets tough.

You have got to be shitting me with this take.

No, I think the playoffs are a different animal. I think we need a rugged animal winger to play with Mathews. I can see how to defeat this team. Just target the top 4 till they fold .

 

[darrylsittler27]

you have to realistically look at the team, and to be honest the team is only go as far as our core 5 is going to take us. so if Domi as an example is coveted by another team willing to give up a good pick you take it, if Woll is good enough to be the starter heading into the playoffs and someone gives us a good pick for Samsonov you move him. these moves are not so that we can draft and develop a player they will more likely be assets used to improve our roster in the summer. by trading for a quality Dman or goalie if none of samsonov/Woll play well enough. if the goal is the stanley cup Picks can certainly help going forward achieve the goal of winning the cup.

I don't think this is our year. Dubas left a hot mess because he was clearly an amateur living in his video fantasy land. Treveling needs time to fix it. One of the problems is child moron gave blackmail Marner a NMC. No player should be bigger than the team, especially when they can't deliver. I'd dump Marner but a team like Boston would never take him. I don't envy Brad. He has tough job. You have a team that barely won one round in 5 years.And yeah we have a suspect backend. Not many people would put money on this team to make the cup.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We don't have much in the way of picks (thanks, Dubas), and we really shouldn't be trading prospects that we think can make the team within two years.

Realistically, we're not a favourite now, and likely won't be until JT's contract expires.

We should focus on building the best team for the 25-26 season.

 

[kb]

We don't have much in the way of picks (thanks, Dubas), and we really shouldn't be trading prospects that we think can make the team within two years.

Realistically, we're not a favourite now, and likely won't be until JT's contract expires.

We should focus on building the best team for the 25-26 season.

The Leafs have 9 picks in 2024 and are only missing a 2nd. Plenty of time for the further out drafts.

My God you guys whine about literal crap. Every single team in the contending phase trades picks. Every one. Let's not be dense about this - be adult about it. This has nothing to do with Dubas, and that is dumb to even say that.

 

[francis246]

I don't think this is our year. Dubas left a hot mess because he was clearly an amateur living in his video fantasy land. Treveling needs time to fix it. One of the problems is child moron gave blackmail Marner a NMC. No player should be bigger than the team, especially when they can't deliver. I'd dump Marner but a team like Boston would never take him. I don't envy Brad. He has tough job. You have a team that barely won one round in 5 years.And yeah we have a suspect backend. Not many people would put money on this team to make the cup.

Dubas didn’t leave a mess. Shanahan is an idiot. Dubas left the team in a fixable position. We had quite a bit of cap space this summer. Dubas didn’t hold a gun to Brad’s head and say sign Klingberg to a 4 million dollar contract. The two things Dubas screwed us on was ruining the internal cap situation and depleting our picks.

The NMC for Marner didn’t kick in until the summer. If Shanahan gave the go ahead we could have and should have traded Marner. But Shanahan took it upon himself to call each core member and tell them they are not getting traded before even hiring Brad. So right from the jump Brad’s hands were tied. This is why I believe Kyle, because Shanahan makes decisions like that, which completely handcuff the team and sewers the other guy (whoever the GM is). It’s hard to work in an environment when your president is constantly working to cater to 5 guys.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas didn’t leave a mess. Shanahan is an idiot. Dubas left the team in a fixable position. We had quite a bit of cap space this summer. Dubas didn’t hold a gun to Brad’s head and say sign Klingberg to a 4 million dollar contract. The two things Dubas screwed us on was ruining the internal cap situation and depleting our picks.

The NMC for Marner didn’t kick in until the summer. If Shanahan gave the go ahead we could have and should have traded Marner. But Shanahan took it upon himself to call each core member and tell them they are not getting traded before even hiring Brad. So right from the jump Brad’s hands were tied. This is why I believe Kyle, because Shanahan makes decisions like that, which completely handcuff the team and sewers the other guy (whoever the GM is). It’s hard to work in an environment when your president is constantly working to cater to 5 guys.

Ruining the internal cap was a biggie. It literally wasted 6 yrs.

On the other side of the coin……

It appears that Shanahan meddles too much and is betting on players that may not have it in them to win. He’s won a cup and should know what it takes so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it’s risky staking his career on Marner and Matthews. Great players, but do they have championship pedigree? Their individual flaws may prevent them from leading a team to the Cup.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The Leafs have 9 picks in 2024 and are only missing a 2nd. Plenty of time for the further out drafts.

My God you guys whine about literal crap. Every single team in the contending phase trades picks. Every one. Let's not be dense about this - be adult about it. This has nothing to do with Dubas, and that is dumb to even say that.

Ooooh! Lots of picks! Sure, if you just give the number without context.

We have one 1st, no 2nd, one 3rd, one 4th, three 5ths, one 6th, and two 7th.

No mention of the next year, when we have no 1st, 2nd, or 4th? I guess the extra 5th makes up for them?

Realistically looking at facts isn't whining, although complaining about people realistically looking at facts might be.

Realistically, we have been a good regular season team but not a serious playoff contender for several years,, and the deadline trades have done nothing to improve that.

Dubas started with a team with four excellent players, and the team was really no better when he left. Actually worse, because of how he mishandled contracts. Who should we blame? Shanahan? Bettman? The refs?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Dubas didn’t leave a mess. Shanahan is an idiot. Dubas left the team in a fixable position. We had quite a bit of cap space this summer. Dubas didn’t hold a gun to Brad’s head and say sign Klingberg to a 4 million dollar contract. The two things Dubas screwed us on was ruining the internal cap situation and depleting our picks.

The NMC for Marner didn’t kick in until the summer. If Shanahan gave the go ahead we could have and should have traded Marner. But Shanahan took it upon himself to call each core member and tell them they are not getting traded before even hiring Brad. So right from the jump Brad’s hands were tied. This is why I believe Kyle, because Shanahan makes decisions like that, which completely handcuff the team and sewers the other guy (whoever the GM is). It’s hard to work in an environment when your president is constantly working to cater to 5 guys.

Whether you want to say Dubas or Shanahan is primarily to blame, the bottom line is the team is not a serious playoff contender this year, or likely next, and trading picks or prospects for rentals isn't likely to change that.

 

[ToneDog]

I don’t see how you can load up on picks. Cup window is now. Do whatever it takes to get 1 and then tear it down.

They did that last year at the TDL and they flopped, again. Keep doing that/bleeding assets and you will soon be finishing at the bottom of the standings for the next 5 years or more IMO. Matty most likely walks in 4 1/2 seasons.

Whether you want to say Dubas or Shanahan is primarily to blame, the bottom line is the team is not a serious playoff contender this year, or likely next, and trading picks or prospects for rentals isn't likely to change that.

Not to worry, all those great Dubas picks are ready to explode out of the pipeline, said no honest fan.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Not to worry, all those great Dubas picks are ready to explode out of the pipeline, said no honest fan.

I think we have a couple of good prospects, I just don't want them traded for rentals that might win us an extra game or two.

 

[Evilhomer]

They did that last year at the TDL and they flopped, again. Keep doing that/bleeding assets and you will soon be finishing at the bottom of the standings for the next 5 years or more IMO. Matty most likely walks in 4 1/2 seasons.


Not to worry, all those great Dubas picks are ready to explode out of the pipeline, said no honest fan.

I like that it only took 15 games into the season before his new contract starts for someone to fret about him signing elsewhere.

 

[ToneDog]

I like that it only took 15 games into the season before his new contract starts for someone to fret about him signing elsewhere.

Fret? LOL. Talk about overreacting. I pretty much said If they suck in the years leading up to his free agency, he is walking. If the window to winning remains open, odds are he extends.

 

[thusk]

I think we have a couple of good prospects, I just don't want them traded for rentals that might win us an extra game or two.

for me the only reason right now to move a good prospect is to upgrade the D... if its a rental but agree to resign and be a long term solution, i dont have any problem with it but yeah if its only for 1 run without any interest of resigning... that will not help the leafs

 

[keonsbitterness]

Fret? LOL. Talk about overreacting. I pretty much said If they suck in the years leading up to his free agency, he is walking. If the window to winning remains open, odds are he extends.

As if anyone knows. He could also agree to be traded to a contender, or he could re-sign because he likes it here.