Leaf poll. Load up on picks or dump em all? - Now with Poll Options 2023-11-20

[thusk]

A first won't land you what we need. I see something more like last year. Trading our picks for temp upgrades at point of weakness.I think this team is further from a cup than anyone wants to admit. I see character and willingness to sacrifice plus coaching , goaltending plus defense as making us non contenders.

a 1st alone sure yourndont get a #2 D...

and sorry last 3 season, it was not question of caracter or willingness to sacrifice... but when your struggling to defend ypur D is too weak and struggling in your transition... your not in good protection to protect your lead and your not in good position when you need to comeback becausr when rielly was out of the ice... the puck didn't move well... its hard to win game that way

 

[namttebih]

Ps Brodie and Gio need to be replaced soon. Liljegren and maybe Niemela is all we really have. The rest are fringe at best.

I think that Timmins will have a career.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I think that Timmins will have a career.

But still a risk as of yet.

 

[namttebih]

But still a risk as of yet.

For sure and the same can be said about Topi. Even more so really.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

This team needs to go all in.

It would be a huge disservice to both fans and players if they didn't. Especially after giving Matthews a king's ransom this offseason. If they don't bring in some ringers at deadline everyone from Shanahan on down should be fired instantly.

I'm sorry but one playoffs series win in nine years isn't good enough.

Maybe someone with lower standards than mine can explain to me why it should be. Like I'm a small child lacking in understanding. Because no matter how hard I try to wrap my infantile pea brain around it I just don't get it.

The fans were promised a contender.

Not just make the playoffs with what we got and hope anything can happen. But a team loaded with as much star power as can be afforded every year. If that means trading every single pick for the foreseeable future in order to make that happen so be it.

They can throw in Cowan, Minten, and precious Niemela too for that matter.

 

[horner]

This team needs to go all in.

It would be a huge disservice to both fans and players if they didn't. Especially after giving Matthews a king's ransom this offseason. If they don't bring in some ringers at deadline everyone from Shanahan on down should be fired instantly.

I'm sorry but one playoffs series win in nine years isn't good enough.

Maybe someone with lower standards than mine can explain to me why it should be. Like I'm a small child lacking in understanding. Because no matter how hard I try to wrap my infantile pea brain around it I just don't get it.

The fans were promised a contender.

Not just make the playoffs with what we got and hope anything can happen. But a team loaded with as much star power as can be afforded every year. If that means trading every single pick for the foreseeable future in order to make that happen so be it.

They can throw in Cowan, Minten, and precious Niemela too for that matter.

NO to Cowen Minten Knies or Grebyonkin
Until they prove that they can win a couple of rnds in the play no to all in.
Last yr we were lucky to get by TB
Florida we shit the bed

At the deadline tradevfor a defensive dman 3rd + prospect

Our Defence is not strong enough to much to fix.

Next yr in the of season sign 2 UFAs
Skjie Demelo

 

[Nineteen67]

They still need 2 top end D. Just don’t waste top picks on bottom end D, like Zadorov.

A bottom 6 forward wouldn’t hurt.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Neither is the solutuon. You can't trade for them and we don't even try to draft them. All we do is pick forwards and wonder why everyone else gets cups.

For sure and the same can be said about Topi. Even more so really.

 

[namttebih]

Neither is the solutuon. You can't trade for them and we don't even try to draft them. All we do is pick forwards and wonder why everyone else gets cups.

There are a bunch of quality D-men available next year UFA.

I really don't like bringing in multiple rental D at the deadline.

My vote would be to buy if we can do it this calendar year. Keep the picks if we can only do so at the TDL. I'd rather pay a higher premium and allow them to get into the system for an extra couple of months.

 

[Arzak]

never draft by need early in the draft like 1st and 2nd round because you can miss out on some real good talent that way but later in the draft where there really isn't a clear BPA you can go for more positional needs at that point.

This.

Draft the best player available in the first two rounds. Pick the position of need in later rounds.

 

[Confucius]

I really hate when people say pick the BPA, because unless you are drafting top 5, maybe top 10 ina draft that's seen as deep you don't know who that is, nobody does.

If they did Bergeron wouldn't be a 2nd rounder, Point a 3rd, Kaprizov a 5th, Kaberle an 8th, Mark Stone a 6th, Vasi doesn't go 19th, Jamie Benn isn't a 5th and Debrincat doesn't go 39th or Aho in the mid 40's.

The draft is a crapshoot beyond 10th Overall and the list of players I just gave you proves it.

You list less than 10 players out of the thousands that were drafted after 10th overall over the last 20 years, that’s less than 1% that fell through the cracks. Doesn’t make a strong case for the draft being a complete crapshoot after number 10

 

[darrylsittler27]

Load up on 2 to 5ths. There a lot of good dmen drop to 2nd because of the 4 to 5 year development timeframe.We haven't been able to trade that good forward for a quality dman since?

This.

Draft the best player available in the first two rounds. Pick the position of need in later rounds.

 

[Maple Leaf]

best way to draft is to google "NHL mock draft" and then pick the next player on the list

 

[Mess]

No team made less draft picks then the Maple Leafs the past 3 seasons in which they only made 3 picks total in 2 of those last 3 drafts.

Those sacrifices made to the draft picks was used to fuel 1st round losses for the most part with no long-term roster players retained beyond 1 single playoff push,

Strong drafting and developing is the key to long-term sustained Cup competitiveness particularly when you have high priced stars to offset those costs with cheap ELC contracts.

It should be clearly obvious what is better to build a successful TEAM to draft a Matthew Knies and have him for 3 years at ELC @ $975k and then 4 more cost controllable RFA years on cheaper 2nd contract minimum for next 7 years to apply against large star contracts or bring in mercenary UFA players at top inflationary process at 1 year at $5.5 mil like Bertuzzi?

Because ELC contracts are salary capped < $ 1 mil you could surround your stars with 5 X self drafted and developed prospects like Knies for the cost of 1 X Bertuzzi at $5.5 mil cap.

Leafs pay out the highest contracts in the NHL with 3 of the top 8 highest and the complaint is you don't have enough Cap space to surround them with enough talent, but if you "Played the Kids" on ELC you could use the 1/2 of your cap space on young star talent to suround the other 1/2 spent on just 4 forwards.

Prospect #1 (on ELC) --- Matthews -- Marner
Prospect #2 (on ELC) --- Tavares ----- Nylander
Prospect #3 (on ELC) --- Prospect #4 (on ELC ) --- Prospect #5 (on ELC)
vs
1 X Todd Bertuzzi at $5.5 mil for 1 year at more Cap usage then 5 X prospects.

 

[therealkoho]

I'm not sold this team is a cup finalist. So I'm reserved after watching how many own rentals and picks we dumped for nothing. When I say load up I mean rounds 2 to 5. Never throw a first(Cowan) away.At the second you can take more risk and look for defenders who fall. Most GM's won't be around in 5 years so they go for impact soon. Defenders take min 4 years.

Can I get a poll please?

Going vaulting or perhaps maybe needing some translation work done for the embassy in Warsaw

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

You list less than 10 players out of the thousands that were drafted after 10th overall over the last 20 years, that’s less than 1% that fell through the cracks. Doesn’t make a strong case for the draft being a complete crapshoot after number 10

I mean I could make a list a mile long but I got shit to do.

 

[notbias]

No team made less draft picks then the Maple Leafs the past 3 seasons in which they only made 3 picks total in 2 of those last 3 drafts.

Those sacrifices made to the draft picks was used to fuel 1st round losses for the most part with no long-term roster players retained beyond 1 single playoff push,

Strong drafting and developing is the key to long-term sustained Cup competitiveness particularly when you have high priced stars to offset those costs with cheap ELC contracts.

It should be clearly obvious what is better to build a successful TEAM to draft a Matthew Knies and have him for 3 years at ELC @ $975k and then 4 more cost controllable RFA years on cheaper 2nd contract minimum for next 7 years to apply against large star contracts or bring in mercenary UFA players at top inflationary process at 1 year at $5.5 mil like Bertuzzi?

Because ELC contracts are salary capped < $ 1 mil you could surround your stars with 5 X self drafted and developed prospects like Knies for the cost of 1 X Bertuzzi at $5.5 mil cap.

Leafs pay out the highest contracts in the NHL with 3 of the top 8 highest and the complaint is you don't have enough Cap space to surround them with enough talent, but if you "Played the Kids" on ELC you could use the 1/2 of your cap space on young star talent to suround the other 1/2 spent on just 4 forwards.

Prospect #1 (on ELC) --- Matthews -- Marner
Prospect #2 (on ELC) --- Tavares ----- Nylander
Prospect #3 (on ELC) --- Prospect #4 (on ELC ) --- Prospect #5 (on ELC)
vs
1 X Todd Bertuzzi at $5.5 mil for 1 year at more Cap usage then 5 X prospects.

1. Isn't it amazing how good Dubas was at drafting with so few picks?

2. I've asked you before, but what do you think about the 5 million in wasted cap space? Since that is generally all you talk about.

3. Do you want to trade draft picks or prospects? You seem far too fixated on the number of picks instead of who can help us soon. I can think of potentially 5+ sub 1 million dollar players who are NHL-ready or close to it.

I look forward to you ignoring these questions or not answering them but deflecting, thank you for your time.

 

[ULF_55]

Wasn't sure what the author wanted the Poll to be ... so just threw some ideas up there.

 

[thusk]

NO to Cowen Minten Knies or Grebyonkin
Until they prove that they can win a couple of rnds in the play no to all in.
Last yr we were lucky to get by TB
Florida we shit the bed

At the deadline tradevfor a defensive dman 3rd + prospect

Our Defence is not strong enough to much to fix.

Next yr in the of season sign 2 UFAs
Skjie Demelo

and 2 years ago tampa had been lucky

vs florida, toronto was not as bad... the problem was when rielly was out of the ice, leafs was unable to have a quick transition... if your finding a D who can have impact 200 feet of the ice. adding an hanifin, Sanheim... thats can change everything

just giving an exemple

rielly-McCabe: everyone wanting to trade for a physical defensive dman toplay with rielly... but why not McCabe? hes a better dman than Schenn and it was working with Schenn...

Hanafin or Sanheim/ brodie
its become a great second pair

gio/liljegren
its still a pretty good 3rd pairing

Hanifin/Sanheim >>> McCabe
McCabe >> Schenn

 

[horner]

and 2 years ago tampa had been lucky

vs florida, toronto was not as bad... the problem was when rielly was out of the ice, leafs was unable to have a quick transition... if your finding a D who can have impact 200 feet of the ice. adding an hanifin, Sanheim... thats can change everything

just giving an exemple

rielly-McCabe: everyone wanting to trade for a physical defensive dman toplay with rielly... but why not McCabe? hes a better dman than Schenn and it was working with Schenn...

Hanafin or Sanheim/ brodie
its become a great second pair

gio/liljegren
its still a pretty good 3rd pairing

Hanifin/Sanheim >>> McCabe
McCabe >> Schenn

I agree 2 yrs ago we letTB of the hook in the 6th game we had them on the ropes we .
Then Vasi showed up in OT in game 6 to game 7.
Last yr want his Vasi want himself, then and again we went to the net and made it uncomfortable for him .
In the Florida series I don't believe we made it uncomfortable for Bob

 

[tmlms13]

If we are going to forfeit the regular season then we should health scratch McCabe all year. If he plays under 20 games then the 2025 5th round pick from Chicago becomes a 3rd round pick.

 

[tmlms13]

and 2 years ago tampa had been lucky

vs florida, toronto was not as bad... the problem was when rielly was out of the ice, leafs was unable to have a quick transition... if your finding a D who can have impact 200 feet of the ice. adding an hanifin, Sanheim... thats can change everything

just giving an exemple

rielly-McCabe: everyone wanting to trade for a physical defensive dman toplay with rielly... but why not McCabe? hes a better dman than Schenn and it was working with Schenn...

Hanafin or Sanheim/ brodie
its become a great second pair

gio/liljegren
its still a pretty good 3rd pairing

Hanifin/Sanheim >>> McCabe
McCabe >> Schenn

Adding Hanifan will probably be for 3 big pieces. You really want to do that for a rental.

 

[ACC1224]

If we are going to forfeit the regular season then we should health scratch McCabe all year. If he plays under 20 games then the 2025 5th round pick from Chicago becomes a 3rd round pick.

Why would they forfeit the regular season?

 

[thusk]

Adding Hanifan will probably be for 3 big pieces. You really want to do that for a rental.

treliving already have a connection with Hanifin and he know more than anyone what he would would like... if exemple ha ifin will be okay to resign in Toronto exemple around 6,5M because he want to win and play in a contender team, we doesn't talk about a rental anymore... like Lindholm with Boston gave up 1 st and 2 2nd pick, be sure they already knew Lindholm was ready to resign in Boston.

si yes giving up exemple 1st pick+ minten and maybe a small thing for hanifin and know he would be ready to resign in toronto would be a great move

 

[darrylsittler27]

Going vaulting or perhaps maybe needing some translation work done for the embassy in Warsaw

Let me know when your translator shows up eh