Leaf poll. Load up on picks or dump em all? - Now with Poll Options 2023-11-20

[All Mod Cons]

Nylander is going to be asking for something we can't afford to give. So my guess is he's gone next summer. Tavares will resign back at a much more reasonable rate, and if he doesn't he walks.

Marner has a NMC. And of course Matthews isn't going anywhere.

That's the most likely scenario as to where this goes.

I'm completely over paying so much f***ing money to 4 guys, leaving so little for the rest and praying that cheap goalies and defense can be carried.

Leafs will sign Nylander regardless of his ask.

They'll crawl their way through next year and start to try and sort stuff out when we let Tavares walk.

 

[Squiffy]

Leafs will sign Nylander regardless of his ask.

They'll crawl their way through next year and start to try and sort stuff out when we let Tavares walk.

100%. There is no world where both team and player want to reach a deal of this level of talent where it doesn't get done. Marner might have to sweat it out some, but not Willy, he's getting paid, by the Leafs.

Johnny takes a silly discount, watch.

 

[darrylsittler27]

So a 3rd? With a 17 per cent chance of ever playing one NHL game. You also lipstick on that pig..sorry.

Leafs have 5 picks in 2025 there is likely no first unless the Leafs are in the top 10 and there is currently no second. Also, no 4th.

 

[darrylsittler27]

If they lose in the playoffs again all bets are off with this team. I'm seeing more and more Leaf fans getting tired of the Kool aid.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This isn't the time to load on picks what are you talking about? the future is now for Toronto.

That's not to say that I want to see them trade a 1st round pick for Zadorov because I don't he's not that caliber of rental.

Nor am I against using that pick in the draft I'm not.

But ALL picks, and ALL prospects should be available but It's all in time.

Don't get me wrong if Easton Cowan goes, It's got to be for somebody with term.

But if that's available Easton Cowan should be available.

You can't let a pick or prospect stop you from getting better.

For example people say don't sign Patrick Kane because it will take time away from Bobby Mcmann and yes it would but also who cares?

Who cares if signing Patrick Kane takes time away from Bobby Mcmann?

If Patrick Kane wants to come in and it costs you Bobby Mcmann you bring in Patrick Kane because he's a much much MUCH better hockey player.

 

[darrylsittler27]

This isn't the time to load on picks what are you talking about? the future is now for Toronto.

That's not to say that I want to see them trade a 1st round pick for Zadorov because I don't he's not that caliber of rental.

Nor am I against using that pick in the draft I'm not.

But ALL picks, and ALL prospects should be available but It's all in time.

Don't get me wrong if Easton Cowan goes, It's got to be for somebody with term.

But if that's available Easton Cowan should be available.

You can't let a pick or prospect stop you from getting better.

For example people say don't sign Patrick Kane because it will take time away from Bobby Mcmann and yes it would but also who cares?

Who cares if signing Patrick Kane takes time away from Bobby Mcmann?

If Patrick Kane wants to come in and it costs you Bobby Mcmann you bring in Patrick Kane because he's a much much MUCH better hockey player.

The question for many of us is how close is this team? It isn't better without OReilly, Accari and Schenn. This is the typical built for reg season cause it's easy, not built for playoffs and will fold under pressure. Hockey playoffs is for real men not girly beta boys.My gf could beat up some of them.

 

[jaric1862]

I'm in the middle on this. go get players and trade picks but don't spend the very little supreme future assets we have. If this means we don't always get the best player then fine.

As long as Matthews, Marner, Nylander are here the window is open. We still need to think ahead to the future seasons. Guys like Minten and Cowan who can come in on ELC's and perform will be vital for this program moving forward.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The question for many of us is how close is this team? It isn't better without OReilly, Accari and Schenn. This is the typical built for reg season cause it's easy, not built for playoffs and will fold under pressure. Hockey playoffs is for real men not girly beta boys.My gf could beat up some of them.

Is your GF Ronda Rousey? because otherwise no....no she couldn't, she would lose that fight.

 

[Lauro]

Voted.

 

[Voodoo Child]

For once just keep the picks.

Team is still Matthews, Marner, Willy, JT and Mo. if they can’t win or at least don’t come close to winning someone goes.

Unless a whale becomes available for once just draft and keep guys in the pipeline.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Not against Marner or some others.

Is your GF Ronda Rousey? because otherwise no....no she couldn't, she would lose that fight.

For once just keep the picks.

Team is still Matthews, Marner, Willy, JT and Mo. if they can’t win or at least don’t come close to winning someone goes.

Unless a whale becomes available for once just draft and keep guys in the pipeline.

We loaded up last year and barely won one round.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So a 3rd? With a 17 per cent chance of ever playing one NHL game. You also lipstick on that pig..sorry.

In 2025, the Leafs have 5 picks.

 

[thusk]

The question for many of us is how close is this team? It isn't better without OReilly, Accari and Schenn. This is the typical built for reg season cause it's easy, not built for playoffs and will fold under pressure. Hockey playoffs is for real men not girly beta boys.My gf could beat up some of them.

i will use Guy Boucher words " youre always 1 or 2 guy away to be a great team and 2 player away of becoming an avwrage team" .

bring the right guy to fix the right need... the need right now is a #2 behind rielly. if leafs are able to fix it, i really like leafs chance.. if they dont, i think they will never past 2nd round.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I really hate when people say pick the BPA, because unless you are drafting top 5, maybe top 10 ina draft that's seen as deep you don't know who that is, nobody does.

If they did Bergeron wouldn't be a 2nd rounder, Point a 3rd, Kaprizov a 5th, Kaberle an 8th, Mark Stone a 6th, Vasi doesn't go 19th, Jamie Benn isn't a 5th and Debrincat doesn't go 39th or Aho in the mid 40's.

The draft is a crapshoot beyond 10th Overall and the list of players I just gave you proves it.

That's a literal interpretation but not the meaning. BPA more means when it gets to your pick, who is the best player left in your opinion. If my scouts are telling me they are excited about this Cowan kid but I am looking at my blue line and saying nah let's get the best dman and most of the D left are ranked 2nd round picks and later, it makes no sense.

 

[keonsbitterness]

If they lose in the playoffs again all bets are off with this team. I'm seeing more and more Leaf fans getting tired of the Kool aid.

I'll believe that only if I see season ticket renewals drop below 99%.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Draft , schmaft. We have 3 superstars in their mid twenties.

 

[darrylsittler27]

In 2025, the Leafs have 5 picks.

No high picks that will play anytime soon, if ever.

i will use Guy Boucher words " youre always 1 or 2 guy away to be a great team and 2 player away of becoming an avwrage team" .

bring the right guy to fix the right need... the need right now is a #2 behind rielly. if leafs are able to fix it, i really like leafs chance.. if they dont, i think they will never past 2nd round.

The problem is we also need Tkachuk.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'll believe that only if I see season ticket renewals drop below 99%.

People not watching the games on tv more and more hurts them. No one watched or even cared about the cup last year. It was on the set at the pubs and no one even looked at the screen. It's not just butts in the seats.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No high picks that will play anytime soon, if ever.

No high picks at the moment. That is correct.

 

[thusk]

No high picks that will play anytime soon, if ever.


The problem is we also need Tkachuk.

they dont need tkachuk, they need a forsling

you can add a Tkachuk, leafs still not a contender. they still unable to make quick transition to move the puck out of defensive zone quickly, so still playing too much purchasing the puck in the defensive end. so at the end, that will not increase your offensive...its hard to score when you dont have a quick transition + dont have the puck enough in the offensive end.

youre adding a forsling, youre better a defending, better in transition... so youre quicker on transition and able to get more breakaway 2v1 or 3v2, youre getting more time in the offensive end.

leafs can change everyone in the foward group, if they still dont fix the problem in their defensive group... leafs will stay the same exact result

 

[keonsbitterness]

People not watching the games on tv more and more hurts them. No one watched or even cared about the cup last year. It was on the set at the pubs and no one even looked at the screen. It's not just butts in the seats.

Now you're changing the argument from the Leafs to the league. Lack of playoff success for Canadian teams hurts ad revenue for Rogers. No effect on the Leafs/MLSE.

 

[darrylsittler27]

they dont need tkachuk, they need a forsling

you can add a Tkachuk, leafs still not a contender. they still unable to make quick transition to move the puck out of defensive zone quickly, so still playing too much purchasing the puck in the defensive end. so at the end, that will not increase your offensive...its hard to score when you dont have a quick transition + dont have the puck enough in the offensive end.

youre adding a forsling, youre better a defending, better in transition... so youre quicker on transition and able to get more breakaway 2v1 or 3v2, youre getting more time in the offensive end.

leafs can change everyone in the foward group, if they still dont fix the problem in their defensive group... leafs will stay the same exact result

I never meant to imply we were just a Tkachuk away, our forward group needs a Tkachuk to play with Mathews. The backend terrifies me. We unload all the rest of our picks are we really a contender? I'm not even sure Forsling is enough. Our defense is one or two injuries away from disaster. I don't know how to do polls but I get the feeling we are going all in again. But to only win one round? Ouch.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I would go all in now and then rebuud for the bext ne]de decade

 

[thusk]

I never meant to imply we were just a Tkachuk away, our forward group needs a Tkachuk to play with Mathews. The backend terrifies me. We unload all the rest of our picks are we really a contender? I'm not even sure Forsling is enough. Our defense is one or two injuries away from disaster. I don't know how to do polls but I get the feeling we are going all in again. But to only win one round? Ouch.

let see past 4 year

muzzin get injured ewrly vs columbus and this serie become a disaster

vs habs... first 5 game leafs was great, game 5 if campbell doesn't allowed 2 trash goal the series is over... but Muzzin get injured and everything falling and leafs never looked the same way

2 years ago despite the lost, for me its the only season leafs was looking like a cotender and despite the lost, leafs outplayed tampa.. the only series Muzzin played every game.

a year ago, they won but was completly outplayed by tampa

thats the impact of a real #2 in D

Tkachuk would not make any difference if leafs dont touch the puck and to get the puck back, its starting with your defensive as a team and how your defending... when you having a huge hole at #2 spot, that will impact everybody in the line up... the better you will defend, the most you will get the puck and the highest chance of winning you will get.

so yes i think if leafs using pick to get a real #2 ... hanifin, Pesce, Forsling or Sanheim who could be available, its enough to make that team a contender

 

[darrylsittler27]

let see past 4 year

muzzin get injured ewrly vs columbus and this serie become a disaster

vs habs... first 5 game leafs was great, game 5 if campbell doesn't allowed 2 trash goal the series is over... but Muzzin get injured and everything falling and leafs never looked the same way

2 years ago despite the lost, for me its the only season leafs was looking like a cotender and despite the lost, leafs outplayed tampa.. the only series Muzzin played every game.

a year ago, they won but was completly outplayed by tampa

thats the impact of a real #2 in D

Tkachuk would not make any difference if leafs dont touch the puck and to get the puck back, its starting with your defensive as a team and how your defending... when you having a huge hole at #2 spot, that will impact everybody in the line up... the better you will defend, the most you will get the puck and the highest chance of winning you will get.

so yes i think if leafs using pick to get a real #2 ... hanifin, Pesce, Forsling or Sanheim who could be available, its enough to make that team a contender

A first won't land you what we need. I see something more like last year. Trading our picks for temp upgrades at point of weakness.I think this team is further from a cup than anyone wants to admit. I see character and willingness to sacrifice plus coaching , goaltending plus defense as making us non contenders.