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LD Travis Sanheim - Calgary Hitmen, WHL (2014, 17th, PHI)
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Jtown
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27 points in 28 games for Sanheim this year. Had a little rough stretch a few weeks ago where he wasn't putting numbers up but still playing well.
4th in scoring as a dman in the WHL (tied for 2nd in goals).
Looks like the Flyers hit on him. There were some questions about whether or not his 2nd half last year was real, and if it would continue. Sanheim only put up a few points in his first 30 or so WHL games. Then he took off in the 2nd half. And now he's continuing to put up the points.
Looks like the Flyers took a gamble on a riser and he's continuing to play very well.
I'm hoping that he makes team Canada but realistically he probably won't make it this year.
I think he has the most upside out of the Flyers prospect pool. I also feel as though he has the 2nd most two way upside out of any 2014 drafted dman (behind Ekblad).
6'3, smooth skating dman that has offensive flair aren't easy to come by.
4th in scoring as a dman in the WHL (tied for 2nd in goals).
Looks like the Flyers hit on him. There were some questions about whether or not his 2nd half last year was real, and if it would continue. Sanheim only put up a few points in his first 30 or so WHL games. Then he took off in the 2nd half. And now he's continuing to put up the points.
Looks like the Flyers took a gamble on a riser and he's continuing to play very well.
I'm hoping that he makes team Canada but realistically he probably won't make it this year.
I think he has the most upside out of the Flyers prospect pool. I also feel as though he has the 2nd most two way upside out of any 2014 drafted dman (behind Ekblad).
6'3, smooth skating dman that has offensive flair aren't easy to come by.
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I think Morrisery has something to say about that. I think he is the second best besides Ekblad. Others think its Flurey.
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He said out of the 2014 drafted D-men, so that does not include Morrisery. That would be Ekblad, Fleury, Honka, DeAngelo, Sanheim, etc.
And I disagree that Morrisery has more two-way upside, though he does have higher offensive upside in my opinion.
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FLYguy3911
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Fleury has better physical tools, but doesn't have the same offensive touch. He's a complementary offensive player.
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Based on what? This season with his horrible team?
He has a dynamic quality to his game. Even MacKenzie said that's what made him an intriguing pick at the draft. His puck carrying ability is untouched by anyone in that year.
Don't want to drag it off topic but it seemed silly to come to a conclusion about upside 5 months after the draft when in reality these two players are extremely comparable and nothing has been done by either to even suggest one projects better than the other.
I still don't buy Fleury as having serious offensive potential. Sanheim's offensive instincts are better IMO. I think Fleury will be a very solid top 4 minute-eating defenseman though. That said Fleury has a pretty safe floor if you ask me, with Sanheim there is a lot of variability as to what he can become, but admittedly I'm a huge Sanheim fan.
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He might be on a bad team but even McKenzie said that Fleury hasn't played that well so far.
Fleury is 3rd among dmen on his team in scoring and 12th among all skaters. 10 points in 24 games.
Sanheim is first among dmen on his team in scoring and 3rd among all skaters. 28 points in 29 games. He has 11 more points than the next highest scoring dman on the team.
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My point being, he's been better away from Red Deer. His numbers there are not a good indicator of anything so it's hard to use those for projections. Easily the best defenseman on the ice at summer camp, and had one average and one great superseries game. He was better than Sanheim at both events. All I was saying is that I don't see how you can project upside thus far.
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Well statistics are still a pretty big part of projecting players. If a player doesn't put up numbers at a lower level how can we say with certainty that they will put up numbers in the NHL? At least when a player does produce in the CHL you say say that they potentially have the upside. It's obviously not set in stone and there are exceptions, but that's generally a rule of thumb.
I'd actually be interesting in reading up on CHL dmen who put up a worse PPG in the draft+1 season and how they end up fairing.
I'm not writing Fleury off or anything, I just think Sanheim has made the statistical jump that many were hoping for this year. And it bodes well for his future. He's not perfect, but he has quite a lot of upside.
I'd actually be interesting in reading up on CHL dmen who put up a worse PPG in the draft+1 season and how they end up fairing.
I'm not writing Fleury off or anything, I just think Sanheim has made the statistical jump that many were hoping for this year. And it bodes well for his future. He's not perfect, but he has quite a lot of upside.
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Based on what I see. As I mentioned Fleury has better physical tools than Sanheim. He's bigger, stronger, his straight line speed is better, his shot is heavier. He just doesn't have the same instincts offensively. Instincts are Sanheim's best trait. He's smart and decisive with the puck. He's a better passer. That's not meant as a slight against Fleury.
Red Deer doesn't even run their PP through Fleury. If he was so dynamic why wouldn't they want him controlling the unit? They don't even set him up for one-timers. He's pretty much a 4th forward on the unit.
This isn't a 5 month evaluation. Sanheim was more dynamic at the U18s as well, while Fleury played a steady game. They're different kinds of players.
Not that points are everything, but Sanheim has as many points in his last 6 games as Fleury has all year. Just tip you hat and move on. Why would you come into another prospects thread and try to pump your own guys tires?
And Fleury's "horrible team" has more points than Calgary.
Another three points tonight, giving him 31 in 30 games as he passes his total from last year already.
I thought he was junk the first few times I saw this player in the first half of last year but kept watching him and watching him and saw him progress on an extremely steep trajectory in the second half culminating with some excellent and at times revelatory play at the U18's. I had him as my 4th rated d-man in last year's draft (behind Ekblad, Honka and DeAngelo) but I honestly think right now he will end up being the best d-man in this draft. This is coming from a person that thought Sanheim looked awful when I first saw him - really talented player, great skillset and tools. Sanheim blows Fleury out of the water for me right now, never was a big Fleury fan. He has the potential to be elite in the NHL, amongst the best.
In my opinion Fleury, Ritchie and Tuch were overrated prospects in my mind, could end up being wrong on those.
In my opinion Fleury, Ritchie and Tuch were overrated prospects in my mind, could end up being wrong on those.
I am huge Sanheim fan. I think he is the best Flyers' defensive prospect and has a legimate chance to be a #1 defenseman.
That said, I am in awe of how Ekbland has played as a rookie. I would be very surprised if Sanheim can match or approach Eklbland during the course of his career. I think Ekbland's production has been really impressive.
Ah sorry, meant to say the best of everyone drafted after Ekblad (Honka, DeAngelo, Fleury, etc.). Hadn't even processed Ekblad as being part of the d-man class because he was and is so far advanced from the rest of the class. Nothing against Ekblad either but he is at nearly peak hype right now.
Found this thread thought Id bump it.
This kid has played exceptionally well on a pretty bad Calgary team. 40GP 10G 26A. Did Flyers find a steal at 17? His skating is unbelievably smooth and he has the brains and hockey IQ to go along with his physical tools. I think he is the Flyers best prospect by far, and if the draft was today I could think of a few guys he would be drafted over.
Thoughts on his play?
This kid has played exceptionally well on a pretty bad Calgary team. 40GP 10G 26A. Did Flyers find a steal at 17? His skating is unbelievably smooth and he has the brains and hockey IQ to go along with his physical tools. I think he is the Flyers best prospect by far, and if the draft was today I could think of a few guys he would be drafted over.
Thoughts on his play?
