LD Shakir Mukhamadullin (2020, 20th, NJD; traded to SJS)
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If Shakir has 6th-8th round thinking and skill (which btw there is no 8th round you dingus) then Im an NHL level prospect who hasnt skated in five years
MichaelFarrell
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Lou is God
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This is what everyone (who knows hockey) does agree on - his ceiling is high.....very high. He's a former forward who has switched to defense and to be real it just doesn't look like a hockey player as he's tall and lanky, which is probably why he gets crapped on more than he deserves, but he does love the game and is eager to get better.
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Wierzbowski426
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Also, I do think Muk has some serious deficiencies from what I have seen. His concentration and positioning on D is sometimes very questionable but the hate this kid seems to get is irrational. He's 18.
He’ll be in the middle of his prime years in 2031
2031.
ATM I’m not going to try and project him any further than what he is: a very good 18 year old dman. If he works hard at it there’s no reason why he can’t develop into a top 4, but the odds are still stacked against him like 99% of players
2031.
ATM I’m not going to try and project him any further than what he is: a very good 18 year old dman. If he works hard at it there’s no reason why he can’t develop into a top 4, but the odds are still stacked against him like 99% of players
PizzaAndPucks
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It's because half of it is because he is a Devil's prospect and the other half is other people nit picking his game because he was a "reach pick at 22". Chinakov was considered to be a 5th round pick and Columbus took him in the 1st round this year. It's almost like NHL teams scouting staffs are better than the couch/youtube scouts on here....
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I don’t really understand why every opinion on him appears to be an extreme in either direction. Nobody ever just says “he’s fine”, it’s always either great or terrible. In my opinion, though, he’s fine. But with his deficiencies, I think he’ll be a 5/6 D at the NHL level. Again, that’s fine. But in the first round, I’d rather go for something better and there were plenty of players I would’ve preferred in the Devils’ position.
I agree on your deficiency point and that he shouldn’t be getting so much hate. But the thing that’s pissing me off – and I know that’s the case for many people, especially many working for scouting services – is that so many people say “why don’t we just wait and see what happens? He’s only 18!” We don’t do that because we’re discussing prospects and the goal is to project how good they’ll become! So if I think a player will be a 5/6 at the NHL level then that’s not an insult, it’s a projection/opinion. I’m not attacking anyone with it but for some reason people feel attacked. And more often than not those people happen to be fans of the team that drafted the player.
The bolded part is something I really don’t get. NHL teams have done nothing to prove that they’re better at scouting than non-NHL people. NHL scouting staffs are full of sons of GMs and best friends of GMs and so on. Do average fans know more than them? Probably not. But it’s plain wrong to assume that NHL scouts are generally better at scouting than for example those working for public scouting services. Being in the NHL is not a qualification and you need no qualifications to be an NHL scout.
Lou is God
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No. I'm going to go with those that are paid to scout - for one, they have better resources and time to get it done, they also have privy to meetings with these players to get a better judge of their character and other attributes, they're definitely tons of fans who do great jobs of scouting players and might actually be very good scouts if given a chance, but I'm going with those that do this as a job over those who don't.
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Except for the Rangers of course. It was their "professionals" who drafted Hugh Jessica and Dylan McIlrath in the first round. 
pgfan66
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“An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument.”
Critical thinking and questioning what “authorities” do is important not only in scouting but in all areas of life.
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AfroThunder396
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There's no need to be condescending just because someone points out that professionals are usually better at their job than amateurs are at their hobby.
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I think the opinions are extremes because he’s a classic boom/bust guy. Either you buy that he can turn the size/skating/physicality/former forward profile into an all around defensemen because you buy that he’s raw and has a lot of tools, or you believe those players rarely pan out as such and you think this hypothetical potential people speak about doesn’t exist as believed.
He’s not the only type of player like this. Players such as Lacombe and Miller are similar profile players. These types of players are always polarizing.
He’s not the only type of player like this. Players such as Lacombe and Miller are similar profile players. These types of players are always polarizing.
TonySoprano
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He was outstanding today against a solid fwd group.
This guy is seriously an impressive player. Good pick up NJD. I am definitely in the camp that he will be a boom player. Excellent game today as well.
Wierzbowski426
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Like most young players he’s going to be up and down on a game to game basis but since his down game against the Czechs he’s been very good for Russia in a minute munching role. He’s seemingly simplified his game and had a fairly straightforward go of it.
lol, look at this philosophy 101 horseshit. Hint, in 102 they teach you that not every appeal to authority is fallacious.
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This is the deal with Shakir that everyone needs to get through their skull.
99% of the terrible scouting reports of him were based off of two things: 1) One terrible tournament (where he acknowledged himself that he played bad), and 2) his 2019-20 season where he was a 17 year old getting somewhat regular minutes in the KHL. The league where is notorious for NOT giving young players a true opportunity unless you've earned it.
Once the pick was made all people had to go off of were the terrible notes, so obviously in the world of sports, those were the loudest. He could have an incredibly solid defensive game 5 nights in a row, but all people are going to talk about is that *1* turnover he had in the zone. Why? Because our minds are already instantly trained to think poorly of him. He was relatively unknown going into the draft by probably 95% of this forum yet you're all speaking as if you're giving hot takes when in reality you're just spewing the same crap as the "insiders" who haven't seen that much of him in all honesty.
Is he a boom or bust player? Yes. He has flaws just as every other defenseman does, and he's a work in progress just as every single prospect is. You can't deny his potential, and to throw him to the curb when you really don't know much about him because seeing a few clips is ignorant.
99% of the terrible scouting reports of him were based off of two things: 1) One terrible tournament (where he acknowledged himself that he played bad), and 2) his 2019-20 season where he was a 17 year old getting somewhat regular minutes in the KHL. The league where is notorious for NOT giving young players a true opportunity unless you've earned it.
Once the pick was made all people had to go off of were the terrible notes, so obviously in the world of sports, those were the loudest. He could have an incredibly solid defensive game 5 nights in a row, but all people are going to talk about is that *1* turnover he had in the zone. Why? Because our minds are already instantly trained to think poorly of him. He was relatively unknown going into the draft by probably 95% of this forum yet you're all speaking as if you're giving hot takes when in reality you're just spewing the same crap as the "insiders" who haven't seen that much of him in all honesty.
Is he a boom or bust player? Yes. He has flaws just as every other defenseman does, and he's a work in progress just as every single prospect is. You can't deny his potential, and to throw him to the curb when you really don't know much about him because seeing a few clips is ignorant.
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He has been as good or better than the dmen drafted around him (Guhle, Schneider, and Barron). The hate this kid gets is so weird.
Jason MacIsaac
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People are seriously eating crow on this kid. The ones that refuse to eat crow will eat twice as much in a years time.
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Looks a heck of a lot better than where draft services projected him. I didn’t have much opinion on this kid, but he seems like a player.
SlafCaufield
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This kid looks like he has no idea whats going on when hes on the ice
