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LD Sean Day (2016, 81st, NYR) II

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Zaddy Zads said:
Not surprised. He just doesn't seem to have the passion for hockey. It seemed like he was just playing because his brother was playing and not because he himself enjoyed it. I think the whole exceptional status thing and being under the microscope and with him being underwhelming and getting a lot of criticism/harsh words because of that probably also didn't help. Easy to lose what little passion you had in a situation like that. As I've said before I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get picked until the last picks in the 7th round or possibly even go undrafted.
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I just really don't think he can be treated like every other prospect, he's such a weird case.

He said himself that he wanted to be a hockey player because of his older brother, but in 2014 his brother/role-model was sentenced to 15 years in prison for killing someone while driving drunk. There's no way that can't have adverse consequences for a young kid, especially if it was someone who he looked up to. It's easy to see how that could screw with his passion for the game, but if someone can get him on the right track mentally, he has an elite skillset.

I've never seen a 6"2 230+ lb 18 year old skate like he does. I think he's a worthwhile pick in the 4th round, but I wouldn't be shocked if he went anywhere from the 3rd to the 6th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juni...yer-sean-day-opens-up-about-life-off-the-ice/
 
Zaddy Zads said:
Not surprised. He just doesn't seem to have the passion for hockey. It seemed like he was just playing because his brother was playing and not because he himself enjoyed it. I think the whole exceptional status thing and being under the microscope and with him being underwhelming and getting a lot of criticism/harsh words because of that probably also didn't help. Easy to lose what little passion you had in a situation like that. As I've said before I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get picked until the last picks in the 7th round or possibly even go undrafted.
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Kobe Armstrong said:
He said himself that he wanted to be a hockey player because of his older brother, but in 2014 his brother/role-model was sentenced to 15 years in prison for killing someone while driving drunk. There's no way that can't have adverse consequences for a young kid, especially if it was someone who he looked up to. It's easy to see how that could screw with his passion for the game, but if someone can get him on the right track mentally, he has an elite skillset.
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Wouldnt mind the Wings snagging him in the 4th round honestly. Wings are desperate for a homerun D pick and he does have that boom/bust mentality. With the Wings to you know he'll have all the time in the world to develop.
 
With 3rd/4th rd picks, it's hard to identify guys who have massive upside. With Day, he has already been identified. But who knows if he will ever reach it.

Personally, I would be fine with the Flyers using a 3rd/4th on him. We have 10...maybe 11 picks in the draft. We can afford a throwaway one if need be.

Plus, if he ever DID pan out:

Provy Sanheim
Morin Ghost
Day Myers
Hagg Friedman

:)

That top 6 sure would have lots of size and skating ability....minus Ghost of course.
 
Tripod said:
With 3rd/4th rd picks, it's hard to identify guys who have massive upside. With Day, he has already been identified. But who knows if he will ever reach it.

Personally, I would be fine with the Flyers using a 3rd/4th on him. We have 10...maybe 11 picks in the draft. We can afford a throwaway one if need be.

Plus, if he ever DID pan out:

Provy Sanheim
Morin Ghost
Day Myers
Hagg Friedman

:)

That top 6 sure would have lots of size and skating ability....minus Ghost of course.
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Outside of skating though, I don't think he has one above average trait, let alone an elite one. So I don't think he really has been identified as one.
 
93LEAFS said:
Outside of skating though, I don't think he has one above average trait, let alone an elite one. So I don't think he really has been identified as one.
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But as 3rd/4th rd pick, just getting to the NHL is fine. And on that Flyers defense, he wouldn't need to be great, just not bad.

I wouldn't take him with a 2nd rounder, but with 4.. Maybe 5 picks in the 3/4 rounds, why not....depending who else is there of course.
 
Tripod said:
But as 3rd/4th rd pick, just getting to the NHL is fine. And on that Flyers defense, he wouldn't need to be great, just not bad.

I wouldn't take him with a 2nd rounder, but with 4.. Maybe 5 picks in the 3/4 rounds, why not....depending who else is there of course.
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I personally wouldn't waste a pick on him. Absolutely not a 4th let alone a 3rd pick. Those are valuable. I don't see the upside...people get way too caught up in the amazing skating or physical tools, they always do, and then let their minds go crazy filling in all the gaps. If you cannot play the game of hockey well, and often look like you aren't too worried about it, that's just a non starter for me. He strikes me as a high risk/low reward pick.

You mention him leapfrogging Friedman...I would take him as a prospect 100/100 over Day -- ceiling and floor. He was a 3rd round pick. Those are valuable.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
I've never seen a 6"2 230+ lb 18 year old skate like he does. I think he's a worthwhile pick in the 4th round, but I wouldn't be shocked if he went anywhere from the 3rd to the 6th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juni...yer-sean-day-opens-up-about-life-off-the-ice/
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I might pick him in a late round just on the off chance head transplants become viable while still holding his rights. There is that Italian doctor who is planning on doing one soon. Imagine Mitch Marner's brain in that body.
 
Semantics said:
I might pick him in a late round just on the off chance head transplants become viable while still holding his rights. There is that Italian doctor who is planning on doing one soon. Imagine Mitch Marner's brain in that body.
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I'd prefer if Marner remained alive. Thank you.
 
Skating is a great asset to have in todays NHL, but you simply can NOT play defense at the professional level if you have a low hockey IQ. It just isn't possible. The game moves too fast and the players are too skilled. All the speed in the world means nothing if you can't identify your assignment on the fly.

It's too bad, though. The kid pretty much had a professional job locked up a couple years ago (at some level, not necessarily the NHL) with that exceptional status tag.
 
heusy_79 said:
His size is well above average, which makes his skating all the more impressive .
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Agreed- that's his other clearly above average trait. But while he's bigger than normal, he may not be fitter than normal even for a junior player. Basically, size is not a rare commodity in and of itself. The combo of his size and skating is quite rare, though, and demands consideration. But does he do anything else at above average or elite levels? I genuinely want to know.
 
Nac Mac Feegle said:
Skating is a great asset to have in todays NHL, but you simply can NOT play defense at the professional level if you have a low hockey IQ. It just isn't possible. The game moves too fast and the players are too skilled. All the speed in the world means nothing if you can't identify your assignment on the fly.

It's too bad, though. The kid pretty much had a professional job locked up a couple years ago (at some level, not necessarily the NHL) with that exceptional status tag.
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Bolded is spot on.

Day's best hope is probably a position change to the wing.
 
MS said:
Bolded is spot on.

Day's best hope is probably a position change to the wing.
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He'll be fine. His hockey IQ isn't as low as suggested. Willing to wager most have not even seen him play.
 
buttman said:
He'll be fine. His hockey IQ isn't as low as suggested. Willing to wager most have not even seen him play.
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Probably true. I think I've seen him once or twice, but honestly paid little attention to him. But why do so many who have seen him play rank him so low?
 
timlap said:
Probably true. I think I've seen him once or twice, but honestly paid little attention to him. But why do so many who have seen him play rank him so low?
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Lots is based on expectations. He was given exceptional status, so he is expected to dominate. He has had some struggles and isn't dominating, but that doesn't make him terrible. I've seen him be his teams best dman and play solid hockey. He uses his size and skating well. If all you expect him to play is a simple game -- you're happy. If you expect him to be 'exceptional' you are disappointed.

Much the same perception has happened with Chychrun. He was expected to go number 1 or challenge for it. He's outpointed Oli on a much lesser team but gets not credit. Yet Oli gets tons of credit for his offense and hockey IQ. Perception is a big part of it.

Day will be drafted in the second or third latest. He'll have a good shot at having a long NHL career. Jay Bouwmester is a good comparable.
 
buttman said:
Lots is based on expectations. He was given exceptional status, so he is expected to dominate. He has had some struggles and isn't dominating, but that doesn't make him terrible. I've seen him be his teams best dman and play solid hockey. He uses his size and skating well. If all you expect him to play is a simple game -- you're happy. If you expect him to be 'exceptional' you are disappointed.

Much the same perception has happened with Chychrun. He was expected to go number 1 or challenge for it. He's outpointed Oli on a much lesser team but gets not credit. Yet Oli gets tons of credit for his offense and hockey IQ. Perception is a big part of it.

Day will be drafted in the second or third latest. He'll have a good shot at having a long NHL career. Jay Bouwmester is a good comparable.
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He won't go in the 2nd there are way too many redflags. And I think you should remember what type of player Bouwmeester was at 16. I don't see Day having a career anywhere close to JayBo, who most of his career was at the very least a solid #2 defender and had peaks at a #1. They are only similar in skating, even if Day's IQ isn't bad, its nowhere near JayBo, and JayBo also didn't have his dedication to the game being heavily questioned by those close to him. He had almost 2 months to show up to the combine in excellent shape, yet disappointed. Chychrun on the other hand showed up among the best shape to both the top prospects camp and dominated the on-ice combine, and showed up in elite shape to the combine. I don't really care about the combine in some instances, but after what happened at the Hilinka, Day should of taken and not, and not shown up to the combine at a minimum of 5 to 10 pounds overweight, but atleast it wasn't 30 pounds over like Hilinka. You seem to want to gloss over the fact the kid hasn't developed in too years and both Hockey Canada and Steelheads have serious questions about his commitment.

edit: Also look at the track record of defenders who can't break .6ppg in their draft year. Its pretty terrible.
 
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93LEAFS said:
edit: Also look at the track record of defenders who can't break .6ppg in their draft year. Its pretty terrible.
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Kris Letang - 32 points in 70 games in his draft year
Shea Weber - 18 points in 70 games in his draft year

It happens.
 
Fogelhund said:
Kris Letang - 32 points in 70 games in his draft year
Shea Weber - 18 points in 70 games in his draft year

It happens.
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Very true. Both were late bloomers who started there first ful season at 17 though. Granted Shea Weber also didn't do it in his second year. Being rookies, I would slightly question how much opportunity they got.
 
93LEAFS said:
Very true. Both were late bloomers who started there first ful season at 17 though. Granted Shea Weber also didn't do it in his second year. Being rookies, I would slightly question how much opportunity they got.
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Exactly. Day's played three years of junior. You can't compare the situations.
 
timlap said:
Agreed- that's his other clearly above average trait. But while he's bigger than normal, he may not be fitter than normal even for a junior player. Basically, size is not a rare commodity in and of itself. The combo of his size and skating is quite rare, though, and demands consideration. But does he do anything else at above average or elite levels? I genuinely want to know.
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His shot is definitely above average.
 
Sean Day

Needless to say the former exceptional status prospect has been exceptionally disappointing. The kid seems a case of having all tools but never having put it together. Someone is going to gamble on him. When do you all suppose that would be? I'd be in favor of the Lightning selecting him with one of their 2nd rounders.

What say you?
 
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He's still living off the hype of being granted EPS. Without it, he'd be considered a late-round pick.

Having a questionable work ethic is a reason good enough to pass on him at the draft. Even moreso if his hockey IQ is a concern. Otherwise he could bust his *** and make himself a serviceable NHLer with his physical tools.
 
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