LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[timbermen]

He's going to be good.I hope the Canucks end up with Rasmus Dahlin or Adam Boquist in the draft,their defence will be great in a couple years.

 

[MardyBum]

you know he's not a Canuck fan right? dead giveaway as he continues to praise Leafs players, and took shots at Elias Pettersson after a game where he had 0 points in his last game.

disgrace.

His obsession with Gaudette says otherwise.

He just panics and freaks out about prospects a lot.

 

[Ippenator]

Strenght had been an issue with him, he probably bulked up too much in the offseason and it showed in his steps.
Had a weak camp, now has developed very well.

It’s still the right way to bulk up, if you really need bulking up, as Juolevi has for sure needed. It’s how it works exactly with a lot of young players that they get a short setback after bulking up, but then when they get used to the bulked up body during the next season it will be much easier going on after that.

This is in fact a big reason often behind the so called sophomore slump, as many young players after their rookie season understand that they need to bulk up much more to keep up with the strength that is needed to be succesful in the NHL. Then the next season goes more with getting used to the new body and skating with it. Same has been going with Laine this season, and it has happened to numerous young talents before.

You seem to somehow believe that youngsters can bulk up in a way that will not have them getting used to their body and skating again. If they truly want to become as soon as possible real NHL caliber players strengthwise too, then this equasion is simply unavoidable. And I definitely see it as a good way to get a young player NHL ready as quickly as possible.

Some people just seem to be way too impatient with the player development with young talented players that some of these kind of things are not acknowledged at all.

 

[BB88]

It’s still the right way to bulk up, if you really need bulking up, as Juolevi has for sure needed. It’s how it works exactly with a lot of young players that they get a short setback after bulking up, but then when they get used to the bulked up body during the next season it will be much easier going on after that.

This is in fact a big reason often behind the so called sophomore slump, as many young players after their rookie season understand that they need to bulk up much more to keep up with the strength that is needed to be succesful in the NHL. Then the next season goes more with getting used to the new body and skating with it. Same has been going with Laine this season, and it has happened to numerous young talents before.

You seem to somehow believe that youngsters can bulk up in a way that will not have them getting used to their body and skating again. If they truly want to become as soon as possible real NHL caliber players strengthwise too, then this equasion is simply unavoidable. And I definitely see it as a good way to get a young player NHL ready as quickly as possible.

Some people just seem to be way too impatient with the player development with young talented players that some of these kind of things are not acknowledged at all.

I disagree with that, I don't believe that you have to be worse at 1st if you want to be better later. Confidence is everything for rookies/prospects and I don't like it if they start struggling right from the pre season.
If you take a step back you need to take a massive development step so we can say that player has really developed, and messing up with the weight gaining can affect skating longterm.

There's a limit how much muscle you can add in a offseason, extra fat does nothing for you now or longterm. Build the muscle properly& with consistency.

 

[Ippenator]

I disagree with that, I don't believe that you have to be worse at 1st if you want to be better later. Confidence is everything for rookies/prospects and I don't like it if they start struggling right from the pre season.
If you take a step back you need to take a massive development step so we can say that player has really developed, and messing up with the weight gaining can affect skating longterm.

There's a limit how much muscle you can add in a offseason, extra fat does nothing for you now or longterm. Build the muscle properly& with consistency.

Sorry, but you dont seem to know really how the bulking up works for most of the young players. When you train in the right way and eat the right kind of nutrition, you will not get too much of extra fat. And they do often stamina training around the same time, to exactly avoid too much of fat gaining. This is exactly how it worked for Laine, and I have understood that the same has applied to Juolevi’s training.

They are anyway training with absolute top training professionals, so they are definitely going forward in a very good and smart way.

Btw, look at any of the Finnish top players and you will see that they have gone the same route. Barkov, Granlund, Rantanen and Ristolainen all for example had one set back season in their skating as they bulked up a lot to get enough of physical tools to start building their skating to a clearly better direction. When you have bulked up, only then there is more efficient use from training skating technique with for example figure skating trainers. This is exactly how both Barkov and Granlund have done. First they bulked up as quickly as they could after their rookie seasons, then they had their setback season, and then after that they started training their skating technique intensively.

It’s best to have a good plan for a longer period and not just for one season, if you want to truly become a real top class player. You just don’t seem to get it. Sometimes getting better in the long run can mean that you have to make some short time sacrifices.

 

[M2Beezy]

What's with your hatred towards Juolevi?

Enough with the victim nonsense hes just progressed VERY slowly bub

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Enough with the victim nonsense hes just progressed VERY slowly bub

What? Don't comment anything if you have nothing to add to the discussion. You always comment something negative if someone dares to post something positive, just shut the f*** up.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I feel like he's going to be a low-event, positionally sound top 4 dman. He won't be flashy. He won't put up huge points (maybe 40 point prime, but probably somewhere between 25-35).

He'll have a slick breakout pass and a good stick, and will be positionally aware with a decent hockey IQ. Think a poor man's Tanev/Hamhuis defensively, mixed with a player with higher offence, like Maatta. He might be able to quarter-back our PP, but more as a passer/puck distributor, with the occasional decent wrist shot.

 

[lawrence]

Enough with the victim nonsense hes just progressed VERY slowly bub

???? he's 19....

His obsession with Gaudette says otherwise.

that's his mask. deep down he's not a fan of the team. Not sure what his agenda is though.

I feel like he's going to be a low-event, positionally sound top 4 dman. He won't be flashy. He won't put up huge points (maybe 40 point prime, but probably somewhere between 25-35).

yea, most of us are expecting Hampus Lindholm like numbers.

 

[clay]

I feel like he's going to be a low-event, positionally sound top 4 dman. He won't be flashy. He won't put up huge points (maybe 40 point prime, but probably somewhere between 25-35).

He'll have a slick breakout pass and a good stick, and will be positionally aware with a decent hockey IQ. Think a poor man's Tanev/Hamhuis defensively, mixed with a player with higher offence, like Maatta. He might be able to quarter-back our PP, but more as a passer/puck distributor, with the occasional decent wrist shot.

I completely agree with this assessment. A solid player to have in your top 4 to be sure, but you obviously are shooting for more with your 5th overall pick.

 

[timbermen]

Enough with the victim nonsense hes just progressed VERY slowly bub

Didn't they just draft him?He's putting up good numbers for TPS along with Petrus Palmu.

 

[jd22]

His obsession with Gaudette says otherwise.

He just panics and freaks out about prospects a lot.

Fixed.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

yea, most of us are expecting Hampus Lindholm like numbers.

I don't know if that's sarcasm, considering Lindholm is a top 20 dman in the league, which is far and above what Juolevi would ever hope to be.
If you're being sarcastic, which part of my post is unrealistic? Need I remind you that Kevin Bieksa hit 40 points in 3 different seasons?

 

[7even]

I see so many memes about Juolevi and then I check his stats and they look pretty damn promising. Am I missing something or are Nuck fans flagellating themselves over Tkachuk?

 

[Drew Doubty]

I don't know if that's sarcasm, considering Lindholm is a top 20 dman in the league, which is far and above what Juolevi would ever hope to be.
If you're being sarcastic, which part of my post is unrealistic? Need I remind you that Kevin Bieksa hit 40 points in 3 different seasons?

Lindholm's career high in pts is 34, and I don't think he's top 20

 

[Addison Rae]

Hampus Lindholm in his draft + 2 season scores 30 points and was second among defenders on his team in scoring, a team that won its division and almost beat the team that won the cup.

People see low event defensive players with upside and always compare them to Lindholm or Tanev. Both these players are at the absolute top of their craft and are not the medium. It’s like saying wow this player is really skilled and relatively small let’s compare him to Patrick Kane!

Juolevi is having a good season and his development is back on track. He absolutely should be in the NHL next though. To me he projects as a low evan middle pairing guy that can be effective on the power play and is good at transitioning the puck, I think his possession excellents will correlate to the NHL too.

 

[Saekk]

What? Don't comment anything if you have nothing to add to the discussion. You always comment something negative if someone dares to post something positive, just shut the **** up.

Sheesh, you can't say that to a 12-year old.

 

[schnapshot]

I feel like he's going to be a low-event, positionally sound top 4 dman. He won't be flashy. He won't put up huge points (maybe 40 point prime, but probably somewhere between 25-35).

He'll have a slick breakout pass and a good stick, and will be positionally aware with a decent hockey IQ. Think a poor man's Tanev/Hamhuis defensively, mixed with a player with higher offence, like Maatta. He might be able to quarter-back our PP, but more as a passer/puck distributor, with the occasional decent wrist shot.

I was thinking the best comparison to what you described is Anton Stralman.

 

[BB88]

I see so many memes about Juolevi and then I check his stats and they look pretty damn promising. Am I missing something or are Nuck fans flagellating themselves over Tkachuk?

Majority of the fans seem to be stuck on last year/what they saw in the pre season, I doubt too many of them have followed him in Liiga.

 

[Drew Doubty]

Hampus Lindholm in his draft + 2 season scores 30 points and was second among defenders on his team in scoring, a team that won its division and almost beat the team that won the cup.

People see low event defensive players with upside and always compare them to Lindholm or Tanev. Both these players are at the absolute top of their craft and are not the medium. It’s like saying wow this player is really skilled and relatively small let’s compare him to Patrick Kane!

Juolevi is having a good season and his development is back on track. He absolutely should be in the NHL next though. To me he projects as a low evan middle pairing guy that can be effective on the power play and is good at transitioning the puck, I think his possession excellents will correlate to the NHL too.

Well the original comment was "I think we're expecting Hamphus Lindholm type numbers" which to me means point production. So yeah, 30 ish pts/year is about where we expect Juolevi to be at. No one said "we expect him to be as good as or better than Lindholm in every part of his game" though that could be the case. Maybe by numbers you thought he meant advanced stats?

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I see so many memes about Juolevi and then I check his stats and they look pretty damn promising. Am I missing something or are Nuck fans flagellating themselves over Tkachuk?

Well, a few long time posters on the Canucks board hated this pick from the start and kept focusing on his underwhelming D+1 season, refuse to give him credit for his development this season in Findland.
This along makes the majority ppl think that he’s not developing well

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Well, a few long time posters on the Canucks board hated this pick from the start and kept focusing on his underwhelming D+1 season, refuse to give him credit for his development this season in Findland.
This along makes the majority ppl think that he’s not developing well

+Attitude issues.

The criticism for Juolevi is justified to a certain extent, and wanting Tkachuk over him at the time was glaringly obvious decision to make.

 

[arttk]

Well, a few long time posters on the Canucks board hated this pick from the start and kept focusing on his underwhelming D+1 season, refuse to give him credit for his development this season in Findland.
This along makes the majority ppl think that he’s not developing well

Well he is not developing like a top paring D.

 

[Siludin]

I'm still long on Juolevi. If the Canucks can take another defenseman in the Top 10 this year, I think that gives them a good look going forward, even if it's not Dahlin.

 

[Ippenator]

Well he is not developing like a top paring D.

And what makes you so sure of that? In fact his latest development has been very impressive, so I at least wouldn’t be so hasty to write him off from being even in an NHL top pairing in his prime. I’m not claiming he will be there for sure, but I think it is also quite foolish to write him off after his recent very good development.