LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

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Quit your whining. No one was complaining about Boeser and no one is complaining about how Pettersson and lind are developing.

There's a blind subset of "fans" who are more happy just playing cheerleader for a team than actually wanting them to win a cup and defending the moron of a gm no matter what he does
That's the problem in a nutshell, "the moron of a gm".

He's not, otherwise he wouldn't have picked Boeser, Lind, Gad etc that apparently everyone likes. Yes he's made some mistakes, what GM hasn't? He's still nowhere near the worst GM in the league. The hate from Canuck "fans" on these boards is ridiculous and OTT.
 
Honestly, just speaks to the quality of the 2016 top 10.

True. It makes Juolevi seem much worse than he actually is. I mean, some are even proclaiming him as a bust already which is crazy. He has all the qualities to develop into a top-pairing guy, we don't know if he'll ever get there but the potential is absolutely there. Dude's hockey IQ is off the charts and he has the puck handling abilities to support it, adequate skater too although he won't wow you with that. Just needs to get a bit tougher defensively, he's way too soft without the puck. He seems to need to take more time adjusting to the NHL speed as well but I think he will figure it out some day. To me it looks like he got a bit too comfortable in a dominating OHL team and just wasn't mentally ready for the camp last fall (not that he is by any means a complete player physically either). No need to go nuts over his development at this point.
 
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True. It makes Juolevi seem much worse than he actually is. I mean, some are even proclaiming him as a bust already which is crazy. He has all the qualities to develop into a top-pairing guy, we don't know if he'll ever get there but the potential is absolutely there. Dude's hockey IQ is off the charts and he has the puck handling abilities to support it, adequate skater too although he won't wow you with that. Just needs to get a bit tougher defensively, he's way too soft without the puck. He seems to need to take more time adjusting to the NHL speed as well but I think he will figure it out some day. To me it looks like he got a bit too comfortable in a dominating OHL team and just wasn't mentally ready for the camp last fall (not that he is by any means a complete player physically either). No need to go nuts over his development at this point.

Exact same with Dylan Strome. Just gets hated on because better players went after him.
 
That's the problem in a nutshell, "the moron of a gm".

He's not, otherwise he wouldn't have picked Boeser, Lind, Gad etc that apparently everyone likes. Yes he's made some mistakes, what GM hasn't? He's still nowhere near the worst GM in the league. The hate from Canuck "fans" on these boards is ridiculous and OTT.
Bartkowski
Pedan
Sbisa
Gubranson
Larsen
Clendenning
Pouliot
Del Zotto

This is the list of crap Benning has brought in to fix our D. Benning is the reason why the Canucks suck despite spending near the cap.

And the thing with people saying Juolevi is a bust. Nobody is saying that in the context of him busting out like Virtanen is. The realistic expectation is for him to be just a top4 guy. It’s not bad but not what one would expect for a 5th overall. Disappointing would be a better word than bust.
 
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Bartkowski
Pedan
Sbisa
Gubranson
Larsen
Clendenning
Pouliot
Del Zotto

This is the list of crap Benning has brought in to fix our D. Benning is the reason why the Canucks suck despite spending near the cap.

And the thing with people saying Juolevi is a bust. Nobody is saying that in the context of him busting out like Virtanen is. The realistic expectation is for him to be just a top4 guy. It’s not bad but not what one would expect for a 5th overall. Disappointing would be a better word than bust.
Gud, Del Zotto and Pouliot haven't been as bad as made out on HFC, Pedan at the time was worth the risk, Sbisa whilst not being a world-beater had his moments. Larsen and Clendenning were meh but Benning was trying to make up for the lack of talent coming through the system as Gillis (the saviour to many) sold the future for one very good run at Stanley (even then he couldn't trade for the pieces needed to take the Canucks all the way).
 
Bartkowski
Pedan
Sbisa
Gubranson
Larsen
Clendenning
Pouliot
Del Zotto

This is the list of crap Benning has brought in to fix our D. Benning is the reason why the Canucks suck despite spending near the cap.

And the thing with people saying Juolevi is a bust. Nobody is saying that in the context of him busting out like Virtanen is. The realistic expectation is for him to be just a top4 guy. It’s not bad but not what one would expect for a 5th overall. Disappointing would be a better word than bust.
And the realistic expectation of horvat was a 3rd liner and Boeser a second liner. Why don't you wait until they make the NHL before saying anything for certain?
 
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Bartkowski
Pedan
Sbisa
Gubranson
Larsen
Clendenning
Pouliot
Del Zotto

This is the list of crap Benning has brought in to fix our D. Benning is the reason why the Canucks suck despite spending near the cap.

And the thing with people saying Juolevi is a bust. Nobody is saying that in the context of him busting out like Virtanen is. The realistic expectation is for him to be just a top4 guy. It’s not bad but not what one would expect for a 5th overall. Disappointing would be a better word than bust.


This team sucks as much as it does because of ownership and Gillis leaving nothing in the cupboard, how do people like you not understand this?

Has Benning been perfect? No, his signings and trades especially, but he is doing what ownership wants, you know they are his boss's right? Also most of his bad signings were short term anyways.

He's also built the best prospect pool this team has had since I've been alive, the future is very bright here.

As for Juolevi, he is 19 years old, you are aware of this? We don't know what he will be yet and most experts, (not the so called ones on here) have him as a top pairing guy, also he is playing very well in the Finish league. Also most Dmen take longer to develop given how hard the position is, so really calling him disappointing as a 19 year old is completely absurd.

More of the same sky is falling mentality that this fanbase embraces.....
 
And the realistic expectation of horvat was a 3rd liner and Boeser a second liner. Why don't you wait until they make the NHL before saying anything for certain?
Bo and Boeser were very consistent in terms of improving every single season, I was high on both of them so you are preaching to the wrong guy.
 
This team sucks as much as it does because of ownership and Gillis leaving nothing in the cupboard, how do people like you not understand this?

Has Benning been perfect? No, his signings and trades especially, but he is doing what ownership wants, you know they are his boss's right? Also most of his bad signings were short term anyways.

He's also built the best prospect pool this team has had since I've been alive, the future is very bright here.

As for Juolevi, he is 19 years old, you are aware of this? We don't know what he will be yet and most experts, (not the so called ones on here) have him as a top pairing guy, also he is playing very well in the Finish league. Also most Dmen take longer to develop given how hard the position is, so really calling him disappointing as a 19 year old is completely absurd.

More of the same sky is falling mentality that this fanbase embraces.....
Oh lol once again it’s Gillis.
Let’s ignore the “Gillis left behind nothing” bs for a moment. How does that excuse Benning for acquiring bad dman one after another? Because Gillis left nothing so therefore it’s perfectly ok for Benning to fail at every pro scouting acquisition?

Top paring D don’t take that much longer to develop, they actually show their worth quite early unless there is some kind of big injuries. Juolevi need to take a big ass step this next year to prove he has that potential. Right now he is playing not even at the same level as pre injury Heiskanen who is a year younger.
 
Gud, Del Zotto and Pouliot haven't been as bad as made out on HFC, Pedan at the time was worth the risk, Sbisa whilst not being a world-beater had his moments. Larsen and Clendenning were meh but Benning was trying to make up for the lack of talent coming through the system as Gillis (the saviour to many) sold the future for one very good run at Stanley (even then he couldn't trade for the pieces needed to take the Canucks all the way).
Gud is terrible, a tough defensive dman who can’t play defense and hasn’t been tough at all with us.
Del Zotto is one of the leaders in the NHL with GAA when he is on the ice. Pouliot doesn’t know how to play defense. Sbisa is another defensive dman that can’t defend or pass the puck. Clendenning can’t skate and we traded Forsling away for him. It’s complete BS that Gillis left behind nothing. The only functional part of the defense right now are still left over from Gillis. The only part Benning has acquired that is ok is Stecher which is crazy considering we used Kesler plus a whole bunch of picks to try to improve that area. Taking risk is fine if you are successful, if you whiff on everything then that means he is just terrible at it. Nobody bats 100 but Benning is batting closer to 0%.
 
So what about his team losing their best scorers? The fact that his stats remained the same IS an improvement because his team got worse
Losing the best scorer doesn’t mean that he couldn’t have dominated, which is a fair expectation for a top pick. Top players more often than not, play well to the point you don’t need to make excuses for them.

One thing you have to understand is that I am a Canucks fan. I want nothing more than for Juolevi to be a 1st paring guy and I will be more than happy if he does become one. I am just more cautious and realistic in my projection because prospects tend to fail and unless they show the same kind of progression you see with other top players, the likelihood of them hitting their top ceiling is pretty low.

Even for us, Bo is an outlier because rarely do you see any other players improve on their skating the way he has.
 
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Oh lol once again it’s Gillis.
Let’s ignore the “Gillis left behind nothing” bs for a moment. How does that excuse Benning for acquiring bad dman one after another? Because Gillis left nothing so therefore it’s perfectly ok for Benning to fail at every pro scouting acquisition?

Top paring D don’t take that much longer to develop, they actually show their worth quite early unless there is some kind of big injuries. Juolevi need to take a big ass step this next year to prove he has that potential. Right now he is playing not even at the same level as pre injury Heiskanen who is a year younger.

Real easy bud, you see when your team is dogshit on the ice it's kind of hard to acquire quality players, especially Dmen, you see many athletes in multiple different sports like playing for teams that have a chance of winning, the Canucks realistically haven't had a chance since 2012. Now combine that with the fact that ownership wants nothing more than to make the playoffs every year (so they can get that playoff revenue) and you have a recipe for disaster, in other words it's next to impossible to get these players unless you draft them when your team sucks, hence why I blame Gillis (and to a lesser extent Nonis) given that up until Benning took over we had not drafted a Dman in the first round since Luc Bourdon (RIP) in 2005.

This is a complete fallacy and shows you need to do more research, historically Dmen take longer to develop, (yes even top pairing guys), it's the hardest position on the ice other than goalie, and once again he is 19 years old, look up patience and learn to practice it, all part of development. Juolevi has been very good in the Finish league, he has not regressed in any way since he was drafted, maybe stop looking at stats and anomaly's and you too will see this. All the scouting reports I have read about him this year have gone on about his IQ, his passing ability and his attitude.
 
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Lmao of course a Benning supporter started a sob story talking about how Benning gets unfairly criticized.

This is a Juolevi thread
 
Real easy bud, you see when your team is dog**** on the ice it's kind of hard to acquire quality players, especially Dmen, you see many athletes in multiple different sports like playing for teams that have a chance of winning, the Canucks realistically haven't had a chance since 2012. Now combine that with the fact that ownership wants nothing more than to make the playoffs every year (so they can get that playoff revenue) and you have a recipe for disaster, in other words it's next to impossible to get these players unless you draft them when your team sucks, hence why I blame Gillis (and to a lesser extent Nonis) given that up until Benning took over we had not drafted a Dman in the first round since Luc Bourdon (RIP) in 2005.

This is a complete fallacy and shows you need to do more research, historically Dmen take longer to develop, (yes even top pairing guys), it's the hardest position on the ice other than goalie, and once again he is 19 years old, look up patience and learn to practice it, all part of development. Juolevi has been very good in the Finish league, he has not regressed in any way since he was drafted, maybe stop looking at stats and anomaly's and you too will see this. All the scouting reports I have read about him this year have gone on about his IQ, his passing ability and his attitude.
Well Flames have no problem doing it and it’s not like the guys that traded for had NTC blocking them from going to us. We could’ve target Hamonic instead of Gubranson. Benning was offered Vatanen or Sbisa and he chose Sbisa. We could’ve kept Forsling instead of acquiring a guy that couldn’t skate. Fact is, whatever the previous management left behind should not make it excusable for Benning to mess up every single D move. Yeah it’s not easy, that’s why he gets paid.

Top paring guys takes time but usually they don’t have a stagnant year especially in junior.
 
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