LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Well Flames have no problem doing it and it’s not like the guys that traded for had NTC blocking them from going to us. We could’ve target Hamonic instead of Gubranson. Benning was offered Vatanen or Sbisa and he chose Sbisa. We could’ve kept Forsling instead of acquiring a guy that couldn’t skate. Fact is, whatever the previous management left behind should not make it excusable for Benning to mess up every single D move. Yeah it’s not easy, that’s why he gets paid.

Top paring guys takes time but usually they don’t have a stagnant year especially in junior.

Flames have given up multiple high picks to get those players, including multiple 1st's if Benning did that he'd be run out of town.

So you would have been fine with giving up a top 10 1st rounder for Hamonic?

Yah the Forsling trade wasn't good, I won't deny that.

Benning was offered Vatanen? First I have heard of this do you have any proof to back that claim?

Look at Olli's stats and how he has played this year in the Finish league and tell me more about stagnation.....

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

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[Nucklehead Supreme]

Flames have given up multiple high picks to get those players, including multiple 1st's if Benning did that he'd be run out of town.

So you would have been fine with giving up a top 10 1st rounder for Hamonic?

Yah the Forsling trade wasn't good, I won't deny that. Though he hasn't done anything particularly amazing since we traded him

Benning was offered Vatanen? First I have heard of this do you have any proof to back that claim?

Look at Olli's stats and how he has played this year in the Finish league and tell me more about stagnation.....

 

[elitepete]

Maybe be more clear next time, it's not that hard.

Maybe don’t assume I’m talking about you.

 

[arttk]

Flames have given up multiple high picks to get those players, including multiple 1st's if Benning did that he'd be run out of town.

So you would have been fine with giving up a top 10 1st rounder for Hamonic?

Yah the Forsling trade wasn't good, I won't deny that.

Benning was offered Vatanen? First I have heard of this do you have any proof to back that claim?

Look at Olli's stats and how he has played this year in the Finish league and tell me more about stagnation.....

We gave up McCann(1st rounder), 2nd rounder, 3rd rounds, 4th rounder, 5th rounder, Forsling, Kesler and we still have a shit D. It’s inexcusable how bad we have done when it comes to this.

Botch reported that Benning was offered a choice of Vatanen or Sbisa and he thought Sbisa was the better choice.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

We gave up McCann(1st rounder), 2nd rounder, 3rd rounds, 4th rounder, 5th rounder, Forsling, Kesler and we still have a **** D. It’s inexcusable how bad we have done when it comes to this.

Botch reported that Benning was offered a choice of Vatanen or Sbisa and he thought Sbisa was the better choice.

We gave up McCann(1st rounder), 2nd rounder, 3rd rounds, 4th rounder, 5th rounder, Forsling, Kesler and we still have a **** D. It’s inexcusable how bad we have done when it comes to this.

Botch reported that Benning was offered a choice of Vatanen or Sbisa and he thought Sbisa was the better choice.

Fair enough.

 

[lawrence]

Botch reported that Benning was offered a choice of Vatanen or Sbisa and he thought Sbisa was the better choice.

Vatanen was never on the table. no bloody way. Botch is also a troll.

We gave up McCann(1st rounder)

McCann was a 1st round pick. but not a "first rounder" his value at the time was not a 1st round pick anymore as you will find it hard for any gm to give up a 1st rounder in 2016 for him.

 

[blindpass]

Christ guys stay on topic. Such a pain to said through pages of off topic banter about Benning and bulking.

Just make another thread if you want to discuss that. Otherwise let’s just talk about Juolevi.

Apparently this was too much to ask.

The Canuck forum would be a better place to debate Benning.

 

[arttk]

Vatanen was never on the table. no bloody way. Botch is also a troll.



McCann was a 1st round pick. but not a "first rounder" his value at the time was not a 1st round pick anymore as you will find it hard for any gm to give up a 1st rounder in 2016 for him.

Like it or not, Botch has more sources than you and he actually gets to talk to Benning and the guys in the org and gets info from them.

Point is we traded pretty much a whole draft away and look what we have, nothing but crap.

 

[lawrence]

Wrist injury, like I said, you would want to see progress barring injury.
Was Juolevi injured to the point that affects his play?

Olli Juolevi was part of a team in 2016 that had the best line in OHL history. It was pretty obvious that the following season, that line will no longer be there. Tkachuk made the Flames officially Tkachuk was not returning to London.

Heading into the season, London will have their work cut out for them. Yet Olli Juolevi, retained the same amount of points while losing all that fire power is not a sign of regression.

in 2016 Juolevi had points on 10% of all of Londons goals.
in 2017 Juolevi had points on 14% of all of Londons goals.
Juolevi was also clearly Londons best skater on the ice during the 2017 playoff run, a top 10 offensive dman in the finnish leauge right now, and a very good wjc.

Regressed? Only someone who hates Vancouver with a deep passion will say this.

regressed my ass.

so sit down and be quiet arttk.

 

[lawrence]

Like it or not, Botch has more sources than you and he actually gets to talk to Benning and the guys in the org and gets info from them.

Point is we traded pretty much a whole draft away and look what we have, nothing but crap.

he doesn't. Just ask the Canucks forum. I told the entire place there is no chance we will be selecting Vilardi, Mittelstady or Glass with a 5th pick back in March of 2017.

Top paring guys takes time but usually they don’t have a stagnant year especially in junior.

ok ok ok man, you win, he regressed. He's terrible, he's a bust. He will never make the NHL. He's another mistake by benning.

happy? now can you please leave?

Benning was offered Vatanen? First I have heard of this do you have any proof to back that claim?

1st I've heard of this too. when someone hates the team as much as he does, he will make things up like many others do here.

 

[arttk]

he doesn't. Just ask the Canucks forum. I told the entire place there is no chance we will be selecting Vilardi, Mittelstady or Glass with a 5th pick back in March of 2017.



ok ok ok man, you win, he regressed. He's terrible, he's a bust. He will never make the NHL. He's another mistake by benning.

happy? now can you please leave?

You alright? You don’t seem to take opinions well. Do you need a happy place where we all hold hands and tell each other everything is great?

Botch has been around for awhile now and be has been breaking stuff consistently when it comes to the Nucks, don’t like it? Deal with it.

If you can actually read, i’ve said he regressed in his D+1 season, not this season. If you want to look at just points total and playoff performance, you can do that if it makes you sleep better at night. By all accounts he wasn’t playing like a dominant player and this is a fair expectation for a guy that is drafted that high. He is played the same way he did in the playoffs for the whole season, nobody would be worried. Problem is he didn’t and top players don’t just cherry pick time to be good, they are good all the damn time. If he doesn’t have that ability to keep his play up high all the time, then he won’t be a top paring guy in the NHL.

Now do you want to go back to reddit and upvote yourself and make your heart feel warm and fuzzy?

 

[lawrence]

Now do you want to go back to reddit and upvote yourself and make your heart feel warm and fuzzy?

[mod]

to be honest if we land the 2nd or 3rd pick, I will be happy for who the Canucks will pick based on the current list.

If you want to look at just points total and playoff performance, you can do that if it makes you sleep better at night.

By all accounts he wasn’t playing like a dominant player and this is a fair expectation for a guy that is drafted that high.

who are they? members on hfboards.com? why don't try to visit the Juolevi thread during the 2017 playoffs and see what was said about him.

He is played the same way he did in the playoffs for the whole season

wtf is this. by all accounts canucks fans able to catch the London run, he did not play the same way. but sure continue making things up.

Problem is he didn’t and top players don’t just cherry pick time to be good,

Botch has been around for awhile now and be has been breaking stuff consistently when it comes to the Nucks, don’t like it? Deal with it.

your kidding right? [mod] Cause Botchford is worse then Tony Ghallanger and he has no sources.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Apparently this was too much to ask.

The Canuck forum would be a better place to debate Benning.

But there aren't nearly enough threads in there for that!

 

[arttk]

[mod]

to be honest if we land the 2nd or 3rd pick, I will be happy for who the Canucks will pick based on the current list.






who are they? members on hfboards.com? why don't try to visit the Juolevi thread during the 2017 playoffs and see what was said about him.


wtf is this. by all accounts canucks fans able to catch the London run, he did not play the same way. but sure continue making things up.






your kidding right? LOL. [mod] Cause Botchford is worse then Tony Ghallanger and he has no sources.

[mod]

Just go back on the thread and the most often comment is oh he’s playing well but nothing special, he’s working on other part of his game, but just somehow not working on dominating when he is on the ice. Yeah his playoffs was good but he definitely wasn’t during the regular season.

Why would I lie about Botch, he has been improving over the years, maybe if you are not so thick headed and can get through your preconceived notions of how he is as a journalist.

Tony G is pretty much retired and he had never made a career around breaking news, all he does over the years is to rip of management, all management. Not sure why you would compare Botch with Tony other than trying to show off oh hey you know who the journalists are in this town.

 

[lawrence]

Why would I lie about Botch,

Anyone that lives in the Vancouver and follow the Canucks know's he a dud. [mod] He makes things up, he's never gotten anything right and all he does is attack the team while doing it in a smartass fashion. Even Canuck fans that hate the Canucks dont' agree with him.

do you ever see him when he's asking questions when its opened to the media? dude looks like a Pejorative Slur.

actually I'm gonna sell him the Canucks mid term list. wonder how much he will pay me for it.

 

[arttk]

Anyone that lives in the Vancouver and follow the Canucks know's he a dud. [mod] He makes things up, he's never gotten anything right and all he does is attack the team while doing it in a smartass fashion. Even Canuck fans that hate the Canucks dont' agree with him.

do you ever see him when he's asking questions when its opened to the media? dude looks like a ******.

actually I'm gonna sell him the Canucks mid term list. wonder how much he will pay me for it.

Like I said, that was his rep when he started and he has been getting better over time. The last 2 years he has been breaking a lot more news.

And back to Juolevi, I don’t see how there is anything wrong with being realistic about him. He had a disappointing season last year and to top it off he came into camp cocky and played like crap amongst all the other prospects. His performance in the Finnish league is good but like I said, top paring guys usually shine pretty early and clearly. When was the last top paring guy that flubbed their prospect camps?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Like I said, that was his rep when he started and he has been getting better over time. The last 2 years he has been breaking a lot more news.

And back to Juolevi, I don’t see how there is anything wrong with being realistic about him. He had a disappointing season last year and to top it off he came into camp cocky and played like crap amongst all the other prospects. His performance in the Finnish league is good but like I said, top paring guys usually shine pretty early and clearly. When was the last top paring guy that flubbed their prospect camps?

I'm a Canuck fan and agree with most of what you say, there no mistaking that Juolevi had a fairly disappointing regular season in his D+1 year. Nothing wrong with saying it like it is, had a mediocre regular season, had a great playoffs then had a really disappointing prospect camp. Since then he's been quite good in the Finish league and was quite good at the WJC's.

However it's kind of hard to argue the point about the last top pairing guy that flubbed at prospect camp unless you follow every teams prospect camps and have the memory of an elephant. That's not really information readily available. There are plenty of high end highly drafted defenseman that had fairly disappointing first few years to their career before developing into solid top pairing defenseman. I think Juolevi is borderline trending to be a top pairing defenseman but most likely a good top 4 guy but some guys just develop at a slower pace.

 

[arttk]

I'm a Canuck fan and agree with most of what you say, there no mistaking that Juolevi had a fairly disappointing regular season in his D+1 year. Nothing wrong with saying it like it is, had a mediocre regular season, had a great playoffs then had a really disappointing prospect camp. Since then he's been quite good in the Finish league and was quite good at the WJC's.

However it's kind of hard to argue the point about the last top pairing guy that flubbed at prospect camp unless you follow every teams prospect camps and have the memory of an elephant. That's not really information readily available. There are plenty of high end highly drafted defenseman that had fairly disappointing first few years to their career before developing into solid top pairing defenseman. I think Juolevi is borderline trending to be a top pairing defenseman but most likely a good top 4 guy but some guys just develop at a slower pace.

Yeah I hope he can come to camp next season and blow everyone away. Would be great if he can surprise us like Petterson with a slap shot that came out of nowhere. Hard to be a PPQB without a killer shot that gets the defense to commit to you.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah I hope he can come to camp next season and blow everyone away. Would be great if he can surprise us like Petterson with a slap shot that came out of nowhere. Hard to be a PPQB without a killer shot that gets the defense to commit to you.

Would be nice but doesn't seem like his game though. He does seem to do a pretty fine job of running a pp from the left side of the ice though. He's got that deadly wrister or the ability to make that no look cross ice feed, which happens to fit right into Pettersson's one timer wheelhouse.

 

[arttk]

Would be nice but doesn't seem like his game though. He does seem to do a pretty fine job of running a pp from the left side of the ice though. He's got that deadly wrister or the ability to make that no look cross ice feed, which happens to fit right into Pettersson's one timer wheelhouse.

If he can one time it as well as Brock and Peterson, man our PP would be hell for the opposition for years to come.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Yeah I hope he can come to camp next season and blow everyone away. Would be great if he can surprise us like Petterson with a slap shot that came out of nowhere. Hard to be a PPQB without a killer shot that gets the defense to commit to you.

He doesn't have any kind of a booming slapshot and probably never will but he has been able to consistently get the puck to the net this year. I don't really think you need to have a killer shot to play PPQB, it's a very nice bonus, but the hockey sense and passing ability are the most important qualities, both of which Juolevi has.

 

[stampedingviking]

Well Flames have no problem doing it and it’s not like the guys that traded for had NTC blocking them from going to us. We could’ve target Hamonic instead of Gubranson. Benning was offered Vatanen or Sbisa and he chose Sbisa. We could’ve kept Forsling instead of acquiring a guy that couldn’t skate. Fact is, whatever the previous management left behind should not make it excusable for Benning to mess up every single D move. Yeah it’s not easy, that’s why he gets paid.

Top paring guys takes time but usually they don’t have a stagnant year especially in junior.

Forsling who is now in the AHL? That would have been great!

 

[stampedingviking]

Would be nice but doesn't seem like his game though. He does seem to do a pretty fine job of running a pp from the left side of the ice though. He's got that deadly wrister or the ability to make that no look cross ice feed, which happens to fit right into Pettersson's one timer wheelhouse.

Maybe he could teach Edler to pass to a player with a great shot.

 

[sting101]

Would be nice but doesn't seem like his game though. He does seem to do a pretty fine job of running a pp from the left side of the ice though. He's got that deadly wrister or the ability to make that no look cross ice feed, which happens to fit right into Pettersson's one timer wheelhouse.

well said.
Getting the shot through and being accurate with no look passes are far more important than having someone back there trying to pound pucks through a wall even if he shoots 100mph