LD K'Andre Miller (2018, 22nd, NYR)

[The Crypto Guy]

 

[FoxyClean]

This guy is going to be a f***ing force in this league.

 

[molotce]

might well end up like a playoff 19 parayko type of Dman

 

[slumpy43]

K'Andre announced he's going back to college for the 2019-2020 season
Rangers Prospect K'Andre Miller's Latest Decision Oozes Professionalism

 

[The Crypto Guy]

K'Andre announced he's going back to college for the 2019-2020 season
Rangers Prospect K'Andre Miller's Latest Decision Oozes Professionalism

That's been the plan since last year lol. He never made it a secret he was going back to the NCAA for his 2nd year.

 

[Synergy27]

I wish the Devils would draft a Finnish defenseman and then this thread would devolve into a pissing match over which guy is a higher rated prospect.

 

[Goldenhands]

This guy is going to be a ****ing force in this league.

Thats what Ive been saying for a while but people kept telling me how much better Bode Wilde and M.Samuelsson were...

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

K'Andre the Giant

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Thats what Ive been saying for a while but people kept telling me how much better Bode Wilde and M.Samuelsson were...

I don’t understand your point. Are those players not tall and heavy? They were better than Miller at the NTDP. It’s not unrealistic that they could be better NHL’ers, and I think they will be.

But I’m a Rangers fan, so hopefully I’m wrong. Some of these prospect threads don’t give you a good picture of a players development. You see only positive posts in this thread. There’s not much mention that Miller had a mediocre WJC, his scoring dried up late on in the season and his season wasn’t as impressive as the point totals indicated. If you only went by point totals, you’d think he was one of the best defensemen in the NCAA, but he wasn’t from what I saw.

Definitely a good season for Miller, but he’s still far from a finished product. His offense is still mostly free points from being big, a great skater and playing on the PP. Does he have the offensive skill to be a consistent point scorer in the NHL? His defense is also far from lock down. He’s improved his defending when inside his own zone, but still has questionable defending in transition and decision making in breaking out the puck or directly causing offense for the other team with bad pinches and positioning when his team has the puck.

It’s good that he’s going back to Wisconsin, and hopefully he can continue rounding out his game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don’t understand your point. Are those players not tall and heavy? They were better than Miller at the NTDP. It’s not unrealistic that they could be better NHL’ers, and I think they will be.

But I’m a Rangers fan, so hopefully I’m wrong. Some of these prospect threads don’t give you a good picture of a players development. You see only positive posts in this thread. There’s not much mention that Miller had a mediocre WJC, his scoring dried up late on in the season and his season wasn’t as impressive as the point totals indicated. If you only went by point totals, you’d think he was one of the best defensemen in the NCAA, but he wasn’t from what I saw.

Definitely a good season for Miller, but he’s still far from a finished product. His offense is still mostly free points from being big, a great skater and playing on the PP. Does he have the offensive skill to be a consistent point scorer in the NHL? His defense is also far from lock down. He’s improved his defending when inside his own zone, but still has questionable defending in transition and decision making in breaking out the puck or directly causing offense for the other team with bad pinches and positioning when his team has the puck.

It’s good that he’s going back to Wisconsin, and hopefully he can continue rounding out his game.

Perfect example of someone being a fan of his opinion more than his own team. Jesus, talk about reaching just to validate his own opinion.

 

[57special]

Miller has all sorts of tools, but is the sort of guy you shouldn't rush. WI should be good this year, which will help. This year in college, then another in the AHL is likely the minimum time he will need before he plays regularly in the NHL. Nothing wrong with that. Rushing young Dmen to the NHL is never a good thing, especially latecomers to the position like K'Andre.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Poster PB is going to Poster PB.

And LOL his defense in transition is probably his strongest suit and his defense in his own zone is what needs the work.

He had 5 points in 7 and change games (got hurt in the last one) after the WJC. It's not the torrid pace that he was on before, but it hardly "dried up." Over a full season, thats about a 25-30 point year which is excellent for a freshman defenseman on a team that didn't have a ton of offensive talent.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Poster PB is going to Poster PB.

And LOL his defense in transition is probably his strongest suit and his defense in his own zone is what needs the work.

He had 5 points in 7 and change games (got hurt in the last one) after the WJC. It's not the torrid pace that he was on before, but it hardly "dried up." Over a full season, thats about a 25-30 point year which is excellent for a freshman defenseman on a team that didn't have a ton of offensive talent.

If it were Rykov with an equivalent season in the KHL he'd be the best D-man ever. Dude's a self-promoter and nothing else. Most see through his bullshit and that's why he (thankfully) doesn't post on HFNYR anymore.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I don’t understand your point. Are those players not tall and heavy? They were better than Miller at the NTDP. It’s not unrealistic that they could be better NHL’ers, and I think they will be.

But I’m a Rangers fan, so hopefully I’m wrong. Some of these prospect threads don’t give you a good picture of a players development. You see only positive posts in this thread. There’s not much mention that Miller had a mediocre WJC, his scoring dried up late on in the season and his season wasn’t as impressive as the point totals indicated. If you only went by point totals, you’d think he was one of the best defensemen in the NCAA, but he wasn’t from what I saw.

Definitely a good season for Miller, but he’s still far from a finished product. His offense is still mostly free points from being big, a great skater and playing on the PP. Does he have the offensive skill to be a consistent point scorer in the NHL? His defense is also far from lock down. He’s improved his defending when inside his own zone, but still has questionable defending in transition and decision making in breaking out the puck or directly causing offense for the other team with bad pinches and positioning when his team has the puck.

It’s good that he’s going back to Wisconsin, and hopefully he can continue rounding out his game.

I watched like 80%+ of Miller's games at Wisconsin last year, you can find what I was live posting during those games in the Miller threads on the Rangers boards, and I think you're way off base on these

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I watched like 80%+ of Miller's games at Wisconsin last year, you can find what I was live posting during those games in the Miller threads on the Rangers boards, and I think you're way off base on these

He doesn't go to the Rangers board because we've figured out his bullshit a long time ago.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I watched like 80%+ of Miller's games at Wisconsin last year, you can find what I was live posting during those games in the Miller threads on the Rangers boards, and I think you're way off base on these

I shook my head reading most of what they wrote. You can tell they haven't watched him play for maybe more than a couple games.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I watched like 80%+ of Miller's games at Wisconsin last year, you can find what I was live posting during those games in the Miller threads on the Rangers boards, and I think you're way off base on these

If he's as good as you think, why's he not going to play in the NHL next season?

I think you might be confusing your fandom and your opinion of his potential with production.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If he's as good as you think, why's he not going to play in the NHL next season?

Because he still has plenty of things he needs to work on, again, I've posted on what I've seen (what he's doing well, what he needs to improve to become an NHL player) from game to game at length and I've told you where that is, you're free to go and find it. But to say "His offense is still mostly free points from being big, a great skater and playing on the PP" and "still has questionable defending in transition and decision making in breaking out the puck" is objectively false.

I think you might be confusing your fandom and your opinion of his potential with production.

And are you kidding me with this?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If he's as good as you think, why's he not going to play in the NHL next season?

I think you might be confusing your fandom and your opinion of his potential with production.

Yeah hes the one with the bias in here....

 

[Digitalbooya]

If he's as good as you think, why's he not going to play in the NHL next season?

I think you might be confusing your fandom and your opinion of his potential with production.

Cale Makar, the top defensive prospect in the game, played two seasons at the NCAA level. Q Hughes played two seasons at Michigan. What a silly question to ask.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

He says he's 6'5, 210. He could grow another inch and easily add 15 pounds to his frame.

 

[ecemleafs]

Cale Makar, the top defensive prospect in the game, played two seasons at the NCAA level. Q Hughes played two seasons at Michigan. What a silly question to ask.

Our best dman of the past 15 years played 3 years at wisconsin...

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Cale Makar, the top defensive prospect in the game, played two seasons at the NCAA level. Q Hughes played two seasons at Michigan. What a silly question to ask.

Those aren't good comparisons. Late birthdays should be compared to late birthdays and early birthdays should be compared to early birthdays.

Hughes played his first season as a draft eligible. He's a late birthday. Makar did play two seasons. He's also a late birthday, so he was older than Miller during his freshman season. Makar also didn't play that well in his freshman season. I remember there being a lot of complaints about the team around him. He played extremely well in the WJC that season. Thats almost the opposite of Miller, who had a good NCAA season and bad WJC.

If Miller shows development in his game during his second season like Makar did, that would be great, but the comparisons make no sense. And even if you wanted to compare him to those players, neither of those players were so great their first season that you could've said they don't have further development left before they are NHL ready. Most D+1 players still have a lot of development left. Somehow Miller doesn't, according to you, but he's going back for another season at Wisconsin. If Miller was as great as you want to portray, he'd be in the NHL next season.

 

[Breakers]

Cale Makar, the top defensive prospect in the game, played two seasons at the NCAA level. Q Hughes played two seasons at Michigan. What a silly question to ask.

Exactly
Some of the better recent NCAA alumni have spent 2 years.
and there is a pretty recent list of players who left too early {cough] tyson jost {cough} casey mittelstadt {cough}

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Those aren't good comparisons. Late birthdays should be compared to late birthdays and early birthdays should be compared to early birthdays.

Hughes played his first season as a draft eligible. He's a late birthday. Makar did play two seasons. He's also a late birthday, so he was older than Miller during his freshman season. Makar also didn't play that well in his freshman season. I remember there being a lot of complaints about the team around him. He played extremely well in the WJC that season. Thats almost the opposite of Miller, who had a good NCAA season and bad WJC.

If Miller shows development in his game during his second season like Makar did, that would be great, but the comparisons make no sense. And even if you wanted to compare him to those players, neither of those players were so great their first season that you could've said they don't have further development left before they are NHL ready. Most D+1 players still have a lot of development left. Somehow Miller doesn't, according to you, but he's going back for another season at Wisconsin. If Miller was as great as you want to portray, he'd be in the NHL next season.

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