Ok... Despite them having a gameplan, they were lucky that 15 other GMs undervalued Chrychrun. He was valued as the 2nd overall going into last season.
LD Jakob Chychrun (2016, 16th, ARI) II
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Ok... Despite them having a gameplan, they were lucky that 15 other GMs undervalued Chrychrun. He was valued as the 2nd overall going into last season.
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His dual citizenship, maybe. I think it has more to do with his tournament play, which scouts put a lot of value on. It wasn't very good. That plus his shoulder injury was probably enough to move him out of the tier of guys with fewer questions.
If he keeps up his current play, he'll be fast approaching Ekblad tier level impact. That will make for some awkward 2017 draft prep in some rooms.
Beyond looking 30, he also seems to be made of rubber. Went into the boards on the same play that exploded Stone's knee both ways, yet Chychrun came back in the same game. The Coyotes basically have no choice but to play him because he has honestly been one of the best players the last few nights. Calm decisions, gets it on net, generally good reads. He's not perfect but for 18 as D he is incredibly impressive.
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It's just strange to think politics would play that big of a role at the draft. For national teams I get it a little more(not saying I agree with it but I understand that it's a big and very real factor). I'm just wondering what if any political factors affected his drop. I had heard previously it was mostly his awful tournament and relatively poor junior season.
Or you can draft Chycrun and trade him for a Puljujarvi level forward like you did with Larsson.
If it was Logan Brown I can at least understand, chance of hitting on next Getzlaf way too tempting. But McLeod
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Or you can draft Chycrun and trade him for a Puljujarvi level forward like you did with Larsson.
If it was Logan Brown I can at least understand, chance of hitting on next Getzlaf way too tempting. But McLeod
McLeod > Brown was mind-boggling
There were no politics at play in Chychrun's slip. Simply scouts collectively were not happy with his performance in 2015-16 (not building significantly on his amazing 2014-15 year) and other kids had their stock rise comparatively. Usually, when people use "politics" as a blanket statement about a prospect it can mean multiple things. Here they are, and how they apply to Chychrun.
Over-involved parents or shady agent- While his parents took amazing steps to allow him to play high-level hockey, including at one point flying in on weekends to play for a Michigan-based travel team, I haven't heard of them being like Cody Hodgson's dad at all. So I would dismiss this one.
Kid is a headcase-Absolutely not the case, the kid was said to be very good in his interviews, acknowledged reasons why he didn't live up to expectations. There is also nothing about him being a bad locker room prescense.
Non-Transfer agreement in place- Doesn't apply at all, this applies almost exclusively to Russian products who are unable to get out of their KHL deals, so teams are reluctant because they don't control their prospect and where he will play.
Sometimes weird things happen, and a kid falls too far because teams either draft for need or it just plays out that each team just liked one kid a bit more. He looks to be playing like people expected him to after his rookie OHL season. But, I don't think there were any politcs at play.
Looking good again tonight...no points yet but his IQ has stood out in a good way and he's just running the back line like a boss...He's legit been better than OEL too. Total blessing for us
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Chychrun has looked fantastic so far. There is no way he should have fell out of the top 5, let alone top 15 in the draft. The Coyotes were brilliant in making the move to get him. I wish the Leafs had of done so, somehow. It is nice to read the thread now, because reading/posting in this thread between March and the draft was ridiculous. It is nice and not surprising to see those who dissed him very ardently about his hockey IQ and abilities are nowhere to be found. I wish the kid the best and hope he turns into the 1D that he has the potential to be.
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He has been extremely impressive. He makes mistakes like you would expect an 18 year old NHL blueliner to make, but the plays he's making are so much more than you would expect from an 18 year old NHL blueliner. Both offensively and defensively. He's without a doubt the most positive thing about the start of the season for the Coyotes.
The thing that has stood out to me is just how poised and smart with the puck he is. You hear horrid hockey IQ and you worry about his puck moving ability, but he is so calm even under pressure and isn't shy about joining the play.
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He was very inconsistent his draft year, I saw it so did a bunch of scouts I know. He tried to do too much and because of that his hockey IQ came into question. Draft year pressure is what I think got to him. He also has some well documented shoulder injuries and like many have said in a way he was over scouted. I think teams expected alot from him and they saw the physical tools but he often tried to make plays that he or almost anyone else isnt capable of.
There are no politics involved. He seems to have relaxed and is playing a much more consistent less hit it out of the park type game right now. Great on the Coyotes they got a stud D man, if he continues to play within himself and his incredible skill set he will be a top player in the league for a long time. I wanted the sens to pick him if Sergachev or Brown wasnt around was also shocked he dropped as far as he did. I figured he'd go 10 to 12.
Scouts are super-reactionary to the last thing they saw (same way there are 1 or 2 guys who get a huge boost every year because they play on teams that reach the Memorial Cup). Chychrun had a stinker tournament to close out the year and dropped 10 spots because of it.
That Jake Bean was selected ahead of him looks a bit insane right now.
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I'm surprised Detroit didn't take him considering how they really need a #1 dman since Lindstrom retired.
I'm thrilled with how that situation played out for us. Datsyuk inadvertently helped us out after years of making our players look silly.
Only problem is he was good at the U18's, which is what i dont understand.
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Man Arizona scares me with this kid potentially being a top pairing defenceman. Added two new huge pieces to an already great young team. Really wish the Leafs managed to snag him, could really use a great D prospect.
Fabbro looked better in the first few games but then his play started to drop as the tourney progressed, Chychrun was consistently good all tournament long. I clearly remember Chychrun being the best player for Canada in 1 or 2 of the final games.
Sure he didn't put up the numbers that Fabbro did but defensively he was solid.
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He's been showing more offense as the year has gone on, leading rushes, and getting more aggressive with pinches. He also had a nice fake slap shot pass last game. Initially I was thinking he may never provide a lot of offense, just shutdown D, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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at the end of the day he slipped out of the top 10.... he was struggling and continued to struggling through out the season..... his season got worst, then he did go on a good run were he had 18 points in like 18 games towards the end, but a struggled playoffs, and quite a disappointing u18 contributed to the drop.
At least none of the teams that drafted in the top 9 will regret not taking Chycrun. No point beating a dead horse right now. Phoenix made the most out their 2nd 1st round pick.
At least none of the teams that drafted in the top 9 will regret not taking Chycrun. No point beating a dead horse right now. Phoenix made the most out their 2nd 1st round pick.
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