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LD Jakob Chychrun (2016, 16th, ARI) II

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EXTRAS said:
Any update? How has he looked?
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He was a healthy scratch and then last game he was our best defenseman. When he is playing with confidence he is a stud. His skating and his instinct are 2nd to none for any 18 year old dman that I've ever seen.
 
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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Over-scouted. Too much emphasis on tournament performance. He has outplayed OEL for stretches, so it's nice to have a kid so good right out of the gate for once.
 
When he's feeling confident he's made some plays that have made my jaw drop..beautiful skater. Any big market and the hype would be insane. The fact the Coyotes got him and Keller in the same draft is my only remaining hope for the team.
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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He worked on his 2 way game, which hampered his point production. He remained at a very similar point production (Points Per Game) in 2 CHL years, so maybe it was seen as "stagnation" in his development. He is among my favorite prospects of this year's fun-to-watch young players.
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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Tunnel vision/drafting for need. Teams get so focused on getting "their guy" that better players can slip past them. Obviously this doesn't always happen (see Chiarelli's face after Dubois went 3rd) but I think it explains most WTF drops like Filip Forsberg and Fowler
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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I actually think it was a similar situation to how the Hawks managed to grab Saad in the 2nd round 2011. Basically:
  • Kid has a lot of hype going into his draft year, great tools and looks like a top pick. People are expecting him to have a KILLER draft year
  • Has a fine but not amazing draft year, below the (very high) pre-season expectations
  • No prospect is perfect, but the kid has been in the spotlight for awhile, and since he's not meeting pre-season expectations, scouts start taking for granted all the good things he does, and focusing on his flaws
  • Now people start to call him a "faller". There's more hype for the "risers" who are coming out of nowhere, and playing well above pre-season expectations
  • On draft day, a number of teams have passed on the kid, the hype about him being a faller is coming true. Your pick comes up, he seems like a strong prospect, but if you draft him, what if he busts? All the other GMs clearly saw some fatal flaw, and you'd be the idiot who missed it! So you pick someone else
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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He entered his draft year with people expecting him to be better than Ekblad. Only other D with his tools to enter the draft in recent years is probably Seth Jones. Ekblad was viewed as not being as good a skaters, and Hanifin offensive upside was questioned.

He has absolutely ridiculous tools, he was a man-child with elite skating. In his draft year, he seemed to force things and consistently skated himself into positions with no options. This put him out of position and caused turnovers. Now, at the junior level his skating was at an elite enough level he could recover, at the pro-level it was unlikely. It seems at the NHL level he has started simplified his game, and play the game he should be playing. I'm not sure if not having him back in junior so he could refine his offensive approach wouldn't have been better, but it will be interesting to see how he turns out. In general, I don't really like having 18 year defenders (even teenagers in general) in the NHL, especially ones out of the CHL. Granted, this year we have an interesting wave of good ones (Provorov, Werenski and Chychrun).
 
ponder said:
I actually think it was a similar situation to how the Hawks managed to grab Saad in the 2nd round 2011. Basically:
  • Kid has a lot of hype going into his draft year, great tools and looks like a top pick. People are expecting him to have a KILLER draft year
  • Has a fine but not amazing draft year, below the (very high) pre-season expectations
  • No prospect is perfect, but the kid has been in the spotlight for awhile, and since he's not meeting pre-season expectations, scouts start taking for granted all the good things he does, and focusing on his flaws
  • Now people start to call him a "faller". There's more hype for the "risers" who are coming out of nowhere, and playing well above pre-season expectations
  • On draft day, a number of teams have passed on the kid, the hype about him being a faller is coming true. Your pick comes up, he seems like a strong prospect, but if you draft him, what if he busts? All the other GMs clearly saw some fatal flaw, and you'd be the idiot who missed it! So you pick someone else
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I don't know if you follow the NFL at all, but GMs have actually confirmed that this is why they passed on Aaron Rodgers. That's why you scout all the players and ignore the other GMs. Good on Chayka. Honestly, there's a ton of young talent in Arizona, but the 'yotes GM is the best of the bunch.
Still kills me the Sabres passed on Chychrun. In pre-draft polls on the Sabres board for our pick at 8, I was all in on Keller, followed by Chychrun.
 
truthbluth said:
I don't know if you follow the NFL at all, but GMs have actually confirmed that this is why they passed on Aaron Rodgers. That's why you scout all the players and ignore the other GMs. Good on Chayka. Honestly, there's a ton of young talent in Arizona, but the 'yotes GM is the best of the bunch.
Still kills me the Sabres passed on Chychrun. In pre-draft polls on the Sabres board for our pick at 8, I was all in on Keller, followed by Chychrun.
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Nylander is a great pick nonetheless!
 
He might never be a #1D but he is already showing signs of a legit top 4 guy.

Was hoping the Leafs could have entered the race for him at the end but the price was high just for the Yotes just to move up 4 spots for him.

The only knock on him was his reads/IQ, justifiably slow. But how many d-men come in with elite hockey IQ? Not many...and the game only gets faster at the next level.

I am a big fan of his.
 
TLEHMANN said:
I want to know how this guy fell to 16. He is an absolute tank physically I think he reads the game quick enough to be successful. Skates like the wind. Breaks the forecheck, walks the line, solid first pass, tough in the corners. He was great tonight for a bad Coyotes team. I came away very impressed.
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Likely because scouts saw a player that may not have as much room for improvement as others. The fact you describe him as a tank physically says it all, kid may already be close to his ceiling. Teams went with higher ceiling guys instead of the kid who would be NHL ready the soonest. Give it a year or two and others will no doubt catch up or surpass him.
 
Pavels Dog said:
Likely because scouts saw a player that may not have as much room for improvement as others. The fact you describe him as a tank physically says it all, kid may already be close to his ceiling. Teams went with higher ceiling guys instead of the kid who would be NHL ready the soonest. Give it a year or two and others will no doubt catch up or surpass him.
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This is always important to note. I was one who did have him around where he went, and I wasn't his biggest fan for the reasons everyone said last June, even if I thought he could still be a solid player. But to say 40-something NHL games (and I was a bit skeptical when he wasn't sent back to junior) and making it at 18 is some determination that everyone was right or wrong is silly. It's just too early. We've all been through this song and dance before with early bloomers or guys who make it before others or have better rookie seasons....and so on. Just last year, Hanifin was already "proving" he was a better pick than Provorov and Werenski, being in the NHL at 18. Flash forward 9 months and people seem to be singing a different tune. And it's still early.
 
I've seen lots of comments about how he should've been a borderline top-5 pick, and is the best defense man in the draft. So let's pretend that Vancouver takes Chychrun at #5. How does the rest of the first round, or at least top-15 or top-20 picks turn out, taking into consideration that Detroit is picking at 16 and Arizona at 20, having seen no reason to move up (they might have done so anyways, but let's just say Chayka sits tight)? Anyone want to take a quick shot at a mini-redraft with this situation as it's basis?
 
93LEAFS said:
He entered his draft year with people expecting him to be better than Ekblad. Only other D with his tools to enter the draft in recent years is probably Seth Jones. Ekblad was viewed as not being as good a skaters, and Hanifin offensive upside was questioned.

He has absolutely ridiculous tools, he was a man-child with elite skating. In his draft year, he seemed to force things and consistently skated himself into positions with no options. This put him out of position and caused turnovers. Now, at the junior level his skating was at an elite enough level he could recover, at the pro-level it was unlikely. It seems at the NHL level he has started simplified his game, and play the game he should be playing. I'm not sure if not having him back in junior so he could refine his offensive approach wouldn't have been better, but it will be interesting to see how he turns out. In general, I don't really like having 18 year defenders (even teenagers in general) in the NHL, especially ones out of the CHL. Granted, this year we have an interesting wave of good ones (Provorov, Werenski and Chychrun).
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Bolded was the exception and not the rule. He was outstanding in his own end for Sarnia, playing close to 30 mins a game. The more you play, the more of a chance you will make a mistake or two. There were instances when Chychrun would play a 1:45 min shift, take a 30 sec break and come right back out for a PK or PP. Hatcher leaned on him to anchor a thin defense corps.

It's still early, but it would be criminal if scouts and GMs have egg on their faces simply because they bought into a BS media narrative from the CHL TPG, two Max Jones goals and a glaring turnover in a meaningless U18 game.

Wire to wire, he was the best defenseman and had the best season. All things considered. Glad to see his transition to the NHL has been relatively seamless.
 
Pavels Dog said:
Likely because scouts saw a player that may not have as much room for improvement as others. The fact you describe him as a tank physically says it all, kid may already be close to his ceiling. Teams went with higher ceiling guys instead of the kid who would be NHL ready the soonest. Give it a year or two and others will no doubt catch up or surpass him.
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Man, I'm so jealous that you can see into the future. Do we ever land on Mars? I can't wait!
 
Pavels Dog said:
Likely because scouts saw a player that may not have as much room for improvement as others. The fact you describe him as a tank physically says it all, kid may already be close to his ceiling. Teams went with higher ceiling guys instead of the kid who would be NHL ready the soonest. Give it a year or two and others will no doubt catch up or surpass him.
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Maybe if you keep saying he has a low ceiling enough, eventually it will become true. Don't really remember him being described that way in his draft year.
 
Another goal, another very strong game. Every time I see him, he's better than before. He already looks as good or better than OEL for long stretches. Unbelievable that 5 years from now, we might look back and see that Arizona had both of the two biggest steals of the draft in Keller and this kid.
 
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