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LD Jakob Chychrun (2016, 16th, ARI) II

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Pisses me off that he dropped so much and the Leafs didn't move for him. I was such a huge supporter of him pre-draft despite a lot of people latching on to the scouts opinions on him. Still believe he has Doughty upside. His skating is ridiculous.
 
Huffman said:
Players who reach the NHL the quickest don't always end up as top players from their draft. Not saying he won't be good but it's way too early to call him a great pick.
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It's too early to call him the best D man this draft. When you are playing as a top 4 D 9 games into your professional career, it's not early at all to call him a great pick.
 
Was a pretty vocal supporter of this kid to a lot of hums and haws over on the Jets board. Still a little upset that we got Stanley and not this kid. The moves just could not be made.
 
Huffman said:
Players who reach the NHL the quickest don't always end up as top players from their draft. Not saying he won't be good but it's way too early to call him a great pick.
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If he froze where he is now and never progressed, he'd still be a very good, very mobile #3 on most teams. Great outcome for a pick outside the top 10. He's getting better with each game and earning more icetime. He has already outplayed OEL on a few nights.

The top pairing upside is there.
 
XX said:
If he froze where he is now and never progressed, he'd still be a very good, very mobile #3 on most teams. Great outcome for a pick outside the top 10. He's getting better with each game and earning more icetime. He has already outplayed OEL on a few nights.

The top pairing upside is there.
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Yea but you can't tell if he'll have the consistency to keep it up yet. it's not NHL 17, players don't just freeze in progression. A lot of players can have great stints.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
Yea but you can't tell if he'll have the consistency to keep it up yet. it's not NHL 17, players don't just freeze in progression. A lot of players can have great stints.
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Extremely rare for a Draft+1 defenseman to not only pass the 9-game threshold, but be the team's best defender on most nights.

He'll hit a wall, but the upside will always be Norris territory.

Chychrun's in rare company.
 
There's some force to the opinion the media had a role in Chychrun dropping. Two events were referenced ad nauseum - Juolevi's strong WJC and Chychrun's so-called "poor" TPG - the latter being debunked by yours truly. All you seemed to hear were the negatives despite the fact that he was playing 30-35 mins a night for a thin and defense-oriented Sarnia team.

Those who watched the OHL from wire to wire knew Chychrun had the better year than Juolevi or Sergachev. Sergachev was below-average offensively at the U18s, but all people talked about was how Cychrun hurt his draft stock (which was BS because he had a monster Bronze game that went relatively unmentioned).

If the shoulder was a concern, it wasnt talked about as much as concerns over his decision making and IQ, which we are seeing were complete BS
 
Breakers said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::facepalm:

Compared to the "experts" in this thread like yourself who are ALREADY claiming he is the best d-man in the draft.

:shakehead
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I don't know about other people but I've been calling him the best dman in the draft since two years ago and haven't wavered. I couldn't believe when I was seeing him slip in rankings below Serg and Juo, let alone falling all the way to 16th. I'm not surprised at what he's doing right now.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
There's some force to the opinion the media had a role in Chychrun dropping. Two events were referenced ad nauseum - Juolevi's strong WJC and Chychrun's so-called "poor" TPG - the latter being debunked by yours truly. All you seemed to hear were the negatives despite the fact that he was playing 30-35 mins a night for a thin and defense-oriented Sarnia team.

Those who watched the OHL from wire to wire knew Chychrun had the better year than Juolevi or Sergachev. Sergachev was below-average offensively at the U18s, but all people talked about was how Cychrun hurt his draft stock (which was BS because he had a monster Bronze game that went relatively unmentioned).

If the shoulder was a concern, it wasnt talked about as much as concerns over his decision making and IQ, which we are seeing were complete BS
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Agree 100%. The media can seriously sway the NHL scout group think and vice versa until it almost spirals out of control sometimes. In turn that group think makes it's way into the fans minds, on message boards and social media and even though they've never seen the kid play they start to question his abilities. I always thought this kid was going to be a top 4 NHLer at minimum and took some flack on here for that opinion. Especially the opinion that he was a better defencemen than Juolevi in a lot of ways. Sometimes I thought he even looked a little bored with his competition some nights I'd watch. Now the youngest GM in the league is laughing at all the old timers for falling for it.
 
Breakers said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::facepalm:

Compared to the "experts" in this thread like yourself who are ALREADY claiming he is the best d-man in the draft.

:shakehead
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I'd honestly take the opinion of some of the regular posters on this site over some of the media "experts" and "Professional" NHL scouts. Heck even some of the bigger Scouting Services are garbage some times. When we consistently get Logan Stanleys picked in the 1st round and Jake DeBrusks over Connor and Barzals it really makes me question things. The professionals seem to fall for the dumbest things. Theyover analyze the good players and under analyze the bad ones. They try to out smart each other so much that they just look incredibly dumb some times. I bet it would be hilarious to over hear some of the crap that goes on behind the scenes between scouts, media experts and scouting services.
 
Daximus said:
Agree 100%. The media can seriously sway the NHL scout group think and vice versa until it almost spirals out of control sometimes. In turn that group think makes it's way into the fans minds, on message boards and social media and even though they've never seen the kid play they start to question his abilities. I always thought this kid was going to be a top 4 NHLer at minimum and took some flack on here for that opinion. Especially the opinion that he was a better defencemen than Juolevi in a lot of ways. Sometimes I thought he even looked a little bored with his competition some nights I'd watch. Now the youngest GM in the league is laughing at all the old timers for falling for it.
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To be honest, outside of Button (and a couple scouting services) I think the scouts sway the media more than the media sways the scouts. A significant portion of lists that reach the public are significantly influenced by what writers are hearing from scouting sources (which are sometimes quite limited depending on the quality of the journalist and their connections). I think Chychrun fell too far at the time, I thought taking Mikey McLeod over him was absolute insanity having seen both multiple times in the OHL. While in some cases I didn't agree, I could at least see the case for Juolevi, Sergachev, Nylander and Brown. Even though I would have taken Chych above Alex and Brown for the Leafs, and probably over Sergachev, but I would have to think very hard about it. I don't think his U-18 or second half was great, and Chychrun doesn't have the greatest track record of staying healthy. The NCAA kids I simply didn't see enough to make a firm judgement.
 
93LEAFS said:
To be honest, outside of Button (and a couple scouting services) I think the scouts sway the media more than the media sways the scouts. A significant portion of lists that reach the public are significantly influenced by what writers are hearing from scouting sources (which are sometimes quite limited depending on the quality of the journalist and their connections). I think Chychrun fell too far at the time, I thought taking Mikey McLeod over him was absolute insanity having seen both multiple times in the OHL. While in some cases I didn't agree, I could at least see the case for Juolevi, Sergachev, Nylander and Brown. Even though I would have taken Chych above Alex and Brown for the Leafs, and probably over Sergachev, but I would have to think very hard about it. I don't think his U-18 or second half was great, and Chychrun doesn't have the greatest track record of staying healthy. The NCAA kids I simply didn't see enough to make a firm judgement.
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For what it's worth I went and searched and here was my final top 15 I posted on the Jets draft thread just before the draft. I would probably only deviate from these rankings by a little bit at this point.

1. Auston Matthews - C
2. Patrick Laine – W
3. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW
4. Pierre-Luc Dubois – LW/C
5. Tyson Jost - C
6. Matthew Tkachuk - LW
7. Jakob Chychrun – LD
8. Mikhail Sergachev – LD
9. Clayton Keller – C
10. Logan Brown – C
11. Alex Nylander – RW
12. Olli Juolevi – LD
13. Dante Fabbro - RD
14. German Rubtsov – C
15. Kieffer Bellows - LW
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With the Jets top 3 picks (2, 22 and 36) I wanted Laine, Johansen and Clague. We ended up with Laine and Stanley :rolleyes: but damn once Chychrun started falling I was yelling at the TV for him to fall to us at 22. Then Chayka stepped in and made sure that didn't happen. :cry: and then the Jets did the unthinkable and traded their picks to nab Stanley.. :shakehead
 
Daximus said:
For what it's worth I went and searched and here was my final top 15 I posted on the Jets draft thread just before the draft. I would probably only deviate from these rankings by a little bit at this point.



With the Jets top 3 picks (2, 22 and 36) I wanted Laine, Johansen and Clague. We ended up with Laine and Stanley :rolleyes: but damn once Chychrun started falling I was yelling at the TV for him to fall to us at 22. Then Chayka stepped in and made sure that didn't happen. :cry: and then the Jets did the unthinkable and traded their picks to nab Stanley.. :shakehead
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We'll at least you got Laine. Trading up for Stanley is indefensible in my books. Coyotes did an amazing job. I had Keller above Chychrun around the time of the draft, but he shouldn't have slipped as far as he did.
 
93LEAFS said:
We'll at least you got Laine. Trading up for Stanley is indefensible in my books. Coyotes did an amazing job. I had Keller above Chychrun around the time of the draft, but he shouldn't have slipped as far as he did.
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Well they couldn't screw up the Laine pick really. Jets scouts really effed up this draft though. They at least managed to get Green and Cederholm. But man we could have had so much more.

Agree though Arizona killed it.
 
He's sitting for a 3rd straight game today. Gotta think releasing him for the WJC is becoming possible.

ARZ is playing 4 righty shots...one of those guys is playing on his off-side while the lefty Chychrun sits.
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
He's sitting for a 3rd straight game today. Gotta think releasing him for the WJC is becoming possible.

ARZ is playing 4 righty shots...one of those guys is playing on his off-side while the lefty Chychrun sits.
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I think you are jumping to a conclusion. Coaching staff saw some things in game that were reminiscent of why he dropped in rankings last year. They are taking a moment to get him to simplify his game. Long season. He's not bound for junior just yet.
 
hbk said:
I think you are jumping to a conclusion. Coaching staff saw some things in game that were reminiscent of why he dropped in rankings last year. They are taking a moment to get him to simplify his game. Long season. He's not bound for junior just yet.
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Did they say that? I hadn't heard a reason for him being scratched yet.
 
Only thing I would have done different as the Yotes was possibly send him back for another year even if he looks ready. It's a long season and I think 9 stretched to the juniors then OHL would of been the better choice but can't say it's working out badly for them. So mad he fell that far down
 
They said he's looked tentative lately, which makes sense with how the kids have been bounced in and out of the lineup after every mistake.
 
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