GDT: Last Preseason Game - Habs B squad vs Sens Goons - 7pm EST

Naslundforever · 2024-10-06T11:41:18-0400

morhilane said:
Didn't that almost happen last year?

I forget?

Catanddogguitarrr · 2024-10-06T12:12:02-0400

Grate n Colorful Oz said:
That all tends to happen when, y'know, you're carrying a bunch of AHLers and prospects.

Yeah, a mix of the two. We can't have high expectations with a team like that.

Grate n Colorful Oz · 2024-10-06T12:35:44-0400

Catanddogguitarrr said:
Yeah, a mix of the two. We can't have high expectations with a team like that.

Putting the onus on the coaching staff is a bit ridiculous. The progression the team has had so far since MSL's hiring should be enough to give them the benefit of doubt.

Ducharme was 8-30-7 on the season when MSL came in. That's about 42 points prorated for 82 games. The 76 points last season, while also leading in games lossed by 1 goal is much progression for a club that still has so many holes on the roster.

Trabdy2 · 2024-10-06T12:38:10-0400

Things not looking encouraging for a significant climb in the standings this year. I think we're primed for a 5-10 finish from what I saw in the preseason.

Catanddogguitarrr · 2024-10-06T13:09:16-0400

Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Putting the onus on the coaching staff is a bit ridiculous. The progression the team has had so far since MSL's hiring should be enough to give them the benefit of doubt.

Ducharme was 8-30-7 on the season when MSL came in. That's about 42 points prorated for 82 games. The 76 points last season, while also leading in games lossed by 1 goal is much progression for a club that still has so many holes on the roster.

I agree. When I do satyre here I'm not totally serious. The context of the joke as a good punch line.

BLONG7 · 2024-10-06T14:39:25-0400

zx81 said:
What pisses me off is that they didn't make the pp issue a priority.
Our PP is a huge issue. How many losses could have been wins with just a decent pp last season?

No adjustment was made. They hardly practiced it. No new strategy attempts. No new transition game. Still the same setup in the o zone. Still only one D at the point. Nothing is tried except for praying it will magically start to work. This screams incompetence to me.

MS has us playing well as a 5 on 5 team....................we are losing games all the time because of the brutal play by the not so special teams...............tired of it.
This............is on the coaching. We can all see it.

waffledave · 2024-10-06T15:02:44-0400

The PP issues really are baffling to me. It's been like 10 years now that the PP stinks. We've changed coaches multiple times, new GM, almost all the players have chnaged, and yet it's the same issues year after year.

Grate n Colorful Oz · 2024-10-06T17:13:53-0400

waffledave said:
The PP issues really are baffling to me. It's been like 10 years now that the PP stinks. We've changed coaches multiple times, new GM, almost all the players have chnaged, and yet it's the same issues year after year.

Because we didn't have a true QB on the PP. There's nothing baffling about that.

Let's see how Hutson will do before sounding the alarm.

admiralcadillac · 2024-10-06T17:30:58-0400

waffledave said:
The PP issues really are baffling to me. It's been like 10 years now that the PP stinks. We've changed coaches multiple times, new GM, almost all the players have chnaged, and yet it's the same issues year after year.

What we haven’t changed is the talent

CharleyHorse · 2024-10-06T18:34:58-0400

Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Because we didn't have a true QB on the PP. There's nothing baffling about that.

Let's see how Hutson will do before sounding the alarm.

Too late. I pulled that alarm 5 years ago.

Grate n Colorful Oz · 2024-10-06T18:37:25-0400

CharleyHorse said:
Too late. I pulled that alarm 5 years ago.

Try 7 years ago, when we let our last true bonafide PP QB just walk away.

I'm talking of sounding the alarm on MSL who has never had one to start with.

jrom · 2024-10-06T19:49:48-0400

I’m fine with the horrible PP track record in the pre-season, it should help Hutson get a chance on PP1 faster.

NB it’s always the same with the Habs PP, no one with size in front of the goalie = no goals

waffledave · 2024-10-06T19:55:07-0400

Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Because we didn't have a true QB on the PP. There's nothing baffling about that.

Let's see how Hutson will do before sounding the alarm.

You would think that someone would have emerged in all this time. It's been almost 10 years. It's not like we didn't have anybody. This team may not have had offensive superstars but we have and have had talent.

admiralcadillac said:
What we haven’t changed is the talent

Over the last 10 years almost all the players have changed over multiple times.

Grate n Colorful Oz · 2024-10-06T19:57:43-0400

waffledave said:
You would think that someone would have emerged in all this time. It's been almost 10 years. It's not like we didn't have anybody. This team may not have had offensive superstars but we have and have had talent.

Over the last 10 years almost all the players have changed over multiple times.

Talent =/= PPQB

Weber wasn't one. Nor Petry. Nor Matheson.

Catanddogguitarrr · 2024-10-06T19:57:56-0400

jrom said:
I’m fine with the horrible PP track record in the pre-season, it should help Hutson get a chance on PP1 faster.

NB it’s always the same with the Habs PP, no one with size in front of the goalie = no goals

A big guy in front of the goalie, hard to move, good on deflections, a new Perry. I think that works in PP.

the valiant effort · 2024-10-06T20:07:15-0400

Season	PP%	PP Rank
2011-2012	14.3	28/30
2012-2013 (Lockout)	20.7	5/30
2013-2014	17.2	19/30
2014-2015	16.5	23/30
2015-2016	16.2	25/30
2016-2017	19.7	13/30
2017-2018	21.2	12/31
2018-2019	13.3	30/31
2019-2020	17.7	22/31
2020-2021	19.2	17/31
2021-2022	13.7	31/32
2022-2023	16.1	29/32
2023-2024	17.5	27/32

OnTheRun · 2024-10-06T20:12:32-0400

waffledave said:
You would think that someone would have emerged in all this time. It's been almost 10 years. It's not like we didn't have anybody. This team may not have had offensive superstars but we have and have had talent.

Over the last 10 years almost all the players have changed over multiple times.

It's kind of a classic case of "you get what you pay for".

The attempts to replace Markov as PPQB were all ridiculous:
1. Washed up 40y/o Mark Streit (played 2 games)
2. Gustafsson, 5 games + some POs
3. Wideman
4. Matheson, he's the best of the bunch by a fair margin... and he's not even good in that role.

BLONG7 · 2024-10-06T20:12:40-0400

the valiant effort said:
Season PP% PP Rank
2011-2012 14.3 28/30
2012-2013 (Lockout) 20.7 5/30
2013-2014 17.2 19/30
2014-2015 16.5 23/30
2015-2016 16.2 25/30
2016-2017 19.7 13/30
2017-2018 21.2 12/31
2018-2019 13.3 30/31
2019-2020 17.7 22/31
2020-2021 19.2 17/31
2021-2022 13.7 31/32
2022-2023 16.1 29/32
2023-2024 17.5 27/32

Wow......

Habs · 2024-10-06T20:20:24-0400

waffledave said:
The PP issues really are baffling to me. It's been like 10 years now that the PP stinks. We've changed coaches multiple times, new GM, almost all the players have chnaged, and yet it's the same issues year after year.

the system never changes, because we've never had a stud #1 C or D to control the PP. All this team knows how to do is cycle , shoot from the point, and hope for a goal. We will continue to stink on the PP until they get a generational C to control the play. Suzuki is a fine C, but he's not elite in the NHL.

But.. draft 15-30 and we won't get better any time soon. If they could just finish bad enough to go top 3 in this years draft, there are solutions available. Throw in Demidov, Hutson, the rest of the crew (maybe Laine returns to 30+ goals) and the PP is something to watch again. We agree the NHL is all special teams these days, so they need a legit generational player to bring back the glory days to Montreal.

the valiant effort · 2024-10-06T20:22:22-0400

BLONG7 said:
Wow......

I posted recently that cumulatively over that time period 2011-2024 they are 32/32 with 17.0% effectiveness

McGees · 2024-10-06T20:47:07-0400

Grate n Colorful Oz said:
Because we didn't have a true QB on the PP. There's nothing baffling about that.

Let's see how Hutson will do before sounding the alarm.

Things will have to fail for a while before the coach replaces the vet with the rookie on PP1 unfortunately

jrom · 2024-10-06T20:55:48-0400

Habs said:
the system never changes, because we've never had a stud #1 C or D to control the PP. All this team knows how to do is cycle , shoot from the point, and hope for a goal. We will continue to stink on the PP until they get a generational C to control the play. Suzuki is a fine C, but he's not elite in the NHL.

But.. draft 15-30 and we won't get better any time soon. If they could just finish bad enough to go top 3 in this years draft, there are solutions available. Throw in Demidov, Hutson, the rest of the crew (maybe Laine returns to 30+ goals) and the PP is something to watch again. We agree the NHL is all special teams these days, so they need a legit generational player to bring back the glory days to Montreal.

The other classic is lotsa people around the net (sides, back) but not in FRONT of the net.

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