Last chance for Dubas and or Keefe?

[Dekes For Days]

Could you imagine then onslaught of expected stats if it'd been suggested that we were only as good as the Blue Jackets.

Columbus was actually even better by expected metrics than traditional measures. They were largely let down by their shooting and goaltending during the regular season, and I believe dealt with the biggest injury impact in the league that season, yet still finished tied for 13th in point percentage. Their goaltending rebounded hard during our series and the first half of Tampa's, stealing a series and putting up the NHL playoff save record in the subsequent game.

Not sure why some feel the need to put down Columbus. They weren't the juggernauts that we faced in the first 3 seasons, but they were a good team.

 

[justloveleafs]

Never going to happen an all canadian final. Study radionics.
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[justloveleafs]

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[Stamkos4life]

1. It was 8 vs 9 seed matchup, I don't think I've ever seen an 8 seed be a heavy favourite over a 9 seed (use March Madness) or regular 4 v 5

2. The Zach Werenski - Seth Jones pair is better than anything we've had since the Salming days

3. Elvis wasn't their starter fwiw, and he is actually a really good goalie

4. Our D core contained people like Cody Ceci and Martin Marincin, Justin Holl, and Tyson Barrie

5. the core was still only like 22 years old, yes they were talented but still a team with no depth (back then) lead by kids

Do would you really think the Leafs were massive favourites?

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In terms of stats their prime started when they were probably 20.... their prime in terms of winning takes longer to develop. Very few people in NHL history become "winners" when they are 21 or 22. Let alone be told they need to be winners at 21 or 22 or else their are labeled losers and need to be traded for peanuts.

My apologies for not being clear.

Imo we were favorites but I wouldn't say "heavy". We had the 5th most goals against so it's not like we were world beaters then. Funny enough,most dubas fan boys thought that year was going to be a very good team lol

I admit they had a better top d pairing but they had no where near the offense we had. They had just lost panarin and duchene leaving them with PLD as their best forward.

Their 2 goalies were korpisalo and elvis. They had a 0.941 and a 0.946 sv% respectively during that series while their career sv %'s are 0.902 and 0.913. We made them look far better then they are.

Jackets had gavrikov, kukan, Harrington and nutivara. Not exactly amazing defensemen either.

Not to mention we had just added JT without having to trade any assets back.

Also, I recall most leaf fans thinking we would easily beat the jackets.

So all in all, yes we were the favourites.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Just going by memory, I'm pretty sure the bookies had us as small favorites. I'm also not aware of their # goalie being injured, not sure about their #1C either, where are you getting this from?

Btw, to be clear, I don't think we were heavy favourites. But there was a clear edge for us.

The jackets had just traded bobrovsky, lost panarin to free agency and duchene to (I believe) free agency as well.

We had just added JT for free.

Not to mention most around here thought it would be a win for us.

 

[Fogelhund]

Imagine being this obsessed about prior years playoffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Btw, to be clear, I don't think we were heavy favourites. But there was a clear edge for us.

The jackets had just traded bobrovsky, lost panarin to free agency and duchene to (I believe) free agency as well.

We had just added JT for free.

Not to mention most around here thought it would be a win for us.

Both teams had a ton of injuries and were in a virtual tie in the standings. I think it's fair to say that CLB was a lot better that year than people thought they would be. IIRC the bookies had as very slight favourites, no more than that. I remember arguing that the Leafs should be favored my more than they actually were but with hindsight, I was probably wrong.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Imagine being this obsessed about prior years playoffs.

Not winning a playoff round since 2004 will do that.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Imagine being this obsessed about prior years playoffs.

Imagine spending time out of your life to argue about what some multi millionaires do during a 60 minute stretch.

Oh wait, that's what us sports fans do.

 

[therealkoho]

This could not have been part of the 1000 other threads on the subject?

Of course it couldn't, just look at all the new and fresh ideas this one cultivated. Just think what life what have been like without them!

 

[therealkoho]

I can't vote in polls, for some reason, but I would choose the last option.

If the Leafs get swept, I think BOTH are fired and it isn't even a question. I feel the same way if the Leafs lose in 5 and are beaten soundly within the 4 losses.

I think I found out why that is, its more than likely the same same reason I can't like posts currently

 

[Suntouchable13]

If you want to win you have to be ruthless. Raptors Masai Ujiri fired the coach of the year after a record breaking regular season but they got swept by LBJ in the playoffs. Then he traded a major core piece away for another super star player, and they won it all. Yes, he pissed off Kyle Lowry by trading his best friend, but it was a move he had to make.

 

[therealkoho]

Unless you are bringing in a smart GM like Yzerman, no.

We are in our cores prime, we don't have time for a regime change and all the figuring shit out that comes with that.

No rookie GMs and no incompetent GMs like Burke, Nonis, Lamoriello please.

So I'm wondering what series of tests or questions a hiring panel would have to use to find out if a potential GM was indeed "smart like Stevie Y."

I'm actually wondering why they haven't done it before, it seems like a really simple thing when you think about it!

 

[All Mod Cons]

Columbus was actually even better by expected metrics than traditional measures. They were largely let down by their shooting and goaltending during the regular season, and I believe dealt with the biggest injury impact in the league that season, yet still finished tied for 13th in point percentage. Their goaltending rebounded hard during our series and the first half of Tampa's, stealing a series and putting up the NHL playoff save record in the subsequent game.

Not sure why some feel the need to put down Columbus. They weren't the juggernauts that we faced in the first 3 seasons, but they were a good team.

Could you imagine someone trying to tell you that we were only as good as Columbus?

Holy shit, that poor bastard.

 

[therealkoho]

No ones fired, Nylander traded regardless of how he plays though

I think this may be the truth.

They're going to have to make a decision on whether or not they would like to keep Ilya, whom Keefe has taken to calling "Mickie" these days.

His signing threshold may be around 4.75 and if they can get Ilya for that, and move Nylanders money without taking much back while picking up some picks, then I'd say it's a done deal. The "cap" is a harsh mistress and she must be obeyed.

 

[ShaneFalco]

If you want to win you have to be ruthless. Raptors Masai Ujiri fired the coach of the year after a record breaking regular season but they got swept by LBJ in the playoffs. Then he traded a major core piece away for another super star player, and they won it all. Yes, he pissed off Kyle Lowry by trading his best friend, but it was a move he had to make.

Yup Dubas to me is loyal to.a fault. Great example is Joe Thornton and his usage. Not sure how you sell the board on rolling it back out again if they go without success this year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think this may be the truth.

They're going to have to make a decision on whether or not they would like to keep Ilya, whom Keefe has taken to calling "Mickie" these days.

His signing threshold may be around 4.75 and if they can get Ilya for that, and move Nylanders money without taking much back while picking up some picks, then I'd say it's a done deal. The "cap" is a harsh mistress and she must be obeyed.

I'd much rather have Nylander myself. That's as of today of course, everything is subject to re-evaluation after the playoffs.

Yup Dubas to me is loyal to.a fault. Great example is Joe Thornton and his usage. Not sure how you sell the board on rolling it back out again if they go without success this year.

Easiest thing to do is to fire the coach. Unless he's your buddy and you're loyal to a fault, then I dunno.

 

[thinkblue]

I think this may be the truth.

They're going to have to make a decision on whether or not they would like to keep Ilya, whom Keefe has taken to calling "Mickie" these days.

His signing threshold may be around 4.75 and if they can get Ilya for that, and move Nylanders money without taking much back while picking up some picks, then I'd say it's a done deal. The "cap" is a harsh mistress and she must be obeyed.

I doubt Nylander goes as a cap dump. If he goes it will be to address other needs - different type of top 9 forward, D, or G.

 

[Havoc]

I think this may be the truth.

They're going to have to make a decision on whether or not they would like to keep Ilya, whom Keefe has taken to calling "Mickie" these days.

His signing threshold may be around 4.75 and if they can get Ilya for that, and move Nylanders money without taking much back while picking up some picks, then I'd say it's a done deal. The "cap" is a harsh mistress and she must be obeyed.

lol if we're losing Nylander to keep depth players locked up they better clean house before that happens. This team runs through matthews marner and nylander always has and always will until age takes them out.

 

[notbias]

If you want to win you have to be ruthless. Raptors Masai Ujiri fired the coach of the year after a record breaking regular season but they got swept by LBJ in the playoffs. Then he traded a major core piece away for another super star player, and they won it all. Yes, he pissed off Kyle Lowry by trading his best friend, but it was a move he had to make.

The Leonard situation happened because he wanted out, no?

Also, a single player in basketball is far more important than a single player in hockey.

Eichel is the equivalent of the Kwahi trade and that is not going well.

 

[Suntouchable13]

The Leonard situation happened because he wanted out, no?

Also, a single player in basketball is far more important than a single player in hockey.

Eichel is the equivalent of the Kwahi trade and that is not going well.

Ok, I hear you. But you can’t keep saying “we got unlucky” or some shit and just keep rolling back the same thing. Leafs have to make noise in this year’s playoffs.

 

[notbias]

Ok, I hear you. But you can’t keep saying “we got unlucky” or some shit and just keep rolling back the same thing. Leafs have to make noise in this year’s playoffs.

We have been unlucky for maybe 2 years? We got outplayed every other series.

I also don't consider it unlucky, I maybe consider it unlikely to continue, the goalies tried to make the saves and they did, but it is unlikely Matthews hits 4 crossbars and shoots 2.9% in another series against Price where he gets those looks.

And then people look at the coach or the player and say "they can't perform, see" all because they have some crazy statistical anomaly that happens during the regular season but generally just gets covered up over a long season.

Giving up on a player just for the sake of change is crazy to me, hockey is a largely random sport, it is why any team can win the cup that makes the playoffs.

A lot of teams have not had playoff success and stuck with their core, only Toronto is criticized to this extent. Ovechkin, MacKinnon, McDavid, Barkov... they should have all been run out of town for lack of playoff success.

If you truly think Matthews/Marner are going to be ineffective in the playoffs usually then we should trade them, but I don't think based on a small sample size that is how they'd always play (they've shown in years past they can perform)

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[ACC1224]

If you want to win you have to be ruthless. Raptors Masai Ujiri fired the coach of the year after a record breaking regular season but they got swept by LBJ in the playoffs. Then he traded a major core piece away for another super star player, and they won it all. Yes, he pissed off Kyle Lowry by trading his best friend, but it was a move he had to make.

If they go out again a Coach that can get them over the hump will need to be brought in.

 

[TGB]

No one. They did their job of bringing in good players and organizing a strategy that works for them. The rest is on the players. When a kickass team can't even push a team down 3-1 to elimination, it's entirely on the players.

Raptors Masai Ujiri fired the coach of the year after a record breaking regular season but they got swept by LBJ in the playoffs. Then he traded a major core piece away for another super star player, and they won it all.

Those moves made sense though. From what I understood, Nurse was largely given credit for a lot of the Raptors defensive play, so it was more of a "why do we need the other guy?" situation. I also heard stories about Derozan and Lowry being so buddy-buddy they weren't acting professionally, and there was a chance to use him to get Leonard and improve the compete level of the locker room. Clearly that reasoning accurate.

 

[ACC1224]

Could you imagine someone trying to tell you that we were only as good as Columbus?

Holy shit, that poor bastard.

It would be funny to find that series thread and see how many really thought it would be close.