Last chance for Dubas and or Keefe?

[Stamkos4life]

In the Caps series they got outplayed pretty bad if I remember, I would be happier if they played like the last two years and lost instead of getting outplayed every game.

The only reason the Caps series is viewed in a somewhat positive light is because the team was so green.

Your memory is very wrong.

 

[ToneDog]

Two points about that: they trotted Dubas out there about three seconds after the Habs series. Tells me MLSE was anxious to show its full support. Secondly, Bell and Rogers are contractually obligated to vote as a united block on all MLSE matters. One party wanting to oust Shanahan and/or Dubas would not be enough.

Most likely. The way I see it, as long as the fans and media do not go ballistic and/or the team is not embarrassed, they are safe. I believe it only took one pissed off exec to oust Burke though so who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Hey look at you being wrong again. All is well in the world again

"Playoff qualifier round"

The qualifier round was to QUALIFY (big letters so you don't miss it) for the PO.

Since we lost in the qualifier round, that would mean we in fact did not make the PO.

Dubas fan boys: being wrong since 2018.

 

[Stamkos4life]

They were not heavy favourites against Columbus.

Jackets had lost breadman, Bob and their #1c.

I imagine the Leafs would be the underdogs if we were missing our #1 player + #1C + #1 goalie.

We made Elvis merzlikins (sp?) Look like a star.

 

[notbias]

Yup they were green but they fought tooth and nail against President's trophy winner and lost 3?? games in OT. I don't recall them being outplayed every game.

I don't remember them being outplayed every game, but they were definitely outplayed over the series, I for sure thought we didn't deserve the win if we got it.

I was impressed with the team to push back against Washington, just thought Washington outplayed. I think they looked the worst in that series out of any of the series with the core.

 

[notbias]

So good that they lost in the first round (or technically, didn't make the playoffs)?

Tied in points, I mean they weren't a favored team.

 

[notbias]

Your memory is very wrong.

Toronto got every bounce that series, my memory is fine on the series, Washington controlled play and was the much better team. Was very happy with the team putting in the effort they did, but to pretend like we outplayed them is crazy.

 

[inthe6ix]

Last chance for sure.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If you're going to take out the Washington series then I expect you've quoted every person who has said 5 straight loses to say lets not count the first one.

Have you ever had a coin flip be Heads 5 times in a row? I have, I've probably seen a Heads steak of 10.....

I addressed this possibility in my original post so not sure what you're getting at here.

 

[Dreakmur]

They were not heavy favourites against Columbus.

They should have been for anyone who argued that Keefe had the team on pace for X number of points, and they only finished 8th because Babcock had a slow start.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Jackets had lost breadman, Bob and their #1c.

I imagine the Leafs would be the underdogs if we were missing our #1 player + #1C + #1 goalie.

We made Elvis merzlikins (sp?) Look like a star.

Just going by memory, I'm pretty sure the bookies had us as small favorites. I'm also not aware of their # goalie being injured, not sure about their #1C either, where are you getting this from?

 

[meefer]

I’m a fan of Dubas, but contrary to what some here say, that does not mean I think everything he’s done has been great. It’s a discussion point I find tiresome, as I don’t think any pro-Dubas poster has ever claimed such a thing. I just generally think he’s consistently improved the team, even with mistakes.

Keefe, I’m less sure of, though his record is excellent. I do wonder, however, to those who argue that he is a poor coach, does that not suggest that the players are winning in spite of his poor coaching abilities? Would that not suggest they are good players? And, by extension, that Dubas (while making a mistake in appointing Keefe as coach) has done a fine job in assembling this team? Personally, I find one very encouraging aspect with Keefe. It appears that he is a coach that learns on the job and his teams improve during his time behind the bench.

Shanty...I can’t really say, as I’m unsure what his input towards the team is. I know he’s supported Dubas, and by extension Keefe, but other than that... . I wish he’d make a statement about the atrocious officiating. I suppose his help towards the team having first class ‘everything’ is a positive. Other than that, I don’t know his job description in terms of on ice product

 

[Gary Nylund]

They should have been for anyone who argued that Keefe had the team on pace for X number of points, and they only finished 8th because Babcock had a slow start.

We had tons of injuries that season IIRC so that had an impact as well. Same for CLB, I think they may have been the only team with more injuries than us, not sure.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I'm just trying to imagine if all of you guys were told that the team is nothing more than a Blue Jackets level bubble team during that year you guys would have lost your minds over it. Don't even try and deny it.

Exactly. Could you imagine then onslaught of expected stats if it'd been suggested that we were only as good as the Blue Jackets.

 

[Dreakmur]

I’ve been pretty satisfied with the job Dubas has done. Obviously, I disagree with some stuff, but he’s done quite a bit more good than bad. He’s also showed that he’s learning and making changes based on experience gained.

If we lose, I think I would still want Dubas to stay. I think he will adjust again and realize that friendship has no place in a professional environment and loyalty can go too far. He likely has to go back on the supposed promise he made to Nylander. He likely has to take a long hard look at his friend as the coach. He likely has to cut whatever ties he has to Holl.

 

[All Mod Cons]

How many of those series were they the legitimate favourite?

One, last year when they got goalied by someone who is probably a hall of famer.

I agree with you that we weren't favourite. Which makes it so unbelievable that we've been told how elite we are in every facet of the game (minus a single scapegoat every year) for half a decade by the usual suspects.

 

[tmlms13]

Jackets had lost breadman, Bob and their #1c.

I imagine the Leafs would be the underdogs if we were missing our #1 player + #1C + #1 goalie.

We made Elvis merzlikins (sp?) Look like a star.

1. It was 8 vs 9 seed matchup, I don't think I've ever seen an 8 seed be a heavy favourite over a 9 seed (use March Madness) or regular 4 v 5

2. The Zach Werenski - Seth Jones pair is better than anything we've had since the Salming days

3. Elvis wasn't their starter fwiw, and he is actually a really good goalie

4. Our D core contained people like Cody Ceci and Martin Marincin, Justin Holl, and Tyson Barrie

5. the core was still only like 22 years old, yes they were talented but still a team with no depth (back then) lead by kids

Do would you really think the Leafs were massive favourites?

P.S. they lost Bob and Panarin because they'd been playing for different teams the entire season

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In terms of stats their prime started when they were probably 20.... their prime in terms of winning takes longer to develop. Very few people in NHL history become "winners" when they are 21 or 22. Let alone be told they need to be winners at 21 or 22 or else their are labeled losers and need to be traded for peanuts.

 

[hoglund]

1. It was 8 vs 9 seed matchup, I don't think I've ever seen an 8 seed be a heavy favourite over a 9 seed (use March Madness) or regular 4 v 5

2. The Zach Werenski - Seth Jones pair is better than anything we've had since the Salming days

3. Elvis wasn't their starter fwiw, and he is actually a really good goalie

4. Our D core contained people like Cody Ceci and Martin Marincin, Justin Holl, and Tyson Barrie

5. the core was still only like 22 years old, yes they were talented but still a team with no depth (back then) lead by kids

Do would you really think the Leafs were massive favourites?

The Blue jackets wasn't a playoff series and shouldn't be discussed here, also it was best of 5.

 

[All Mod Cons]

The downplaying of the Leafs, after telling all and sundry how elite we were for the past 4 or 5 years is hilarious.

 

[JKG33]

Nobody’s saying it’s an achievement but to say they weren’t a playoff team is disingenuous

It's not disingenuous. They didn't even make the round of 16, it's pretty easy to comprehend

 

[tmlms13]

The Blue jackets wasn't a playoff series and shouldn't be discussed here, also it was best of 5.

Well the people who replied to my post did so I'm replying to it

 

[Gary Nylund]

playin/playoff, potato/potahto

Both are series that had to be won on the way to the cup so pretty similar stuff IMO.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Interesting read, although admittedly getting away from the subject at hand.

Playoff Qualifier Series: Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Columbus Blue Jackets

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[justloveleafs]

Love to see Nick Nurse, Dubas and Shanahan hit the market. Love to be their agent.

 

[tmlms13]

Do people choose to forget how good the Leafs were the year we played Columbus or do so to help their narrative since it is so weak?

So good they fired their coach mid-season