Speculation: Larry Brooks: Canucks possibly going to make a run at Lafreniere

[SensontheRush]

1) That was a huge mistake if that were true
2) Zero chance in hell Rangers make that trade work cap wise

They had a Eichel-sized cap hole the entire offseason.

 

[bernmeister]

They had a Eichel-sized cap hole the entire offseason.

not if you recognize Eich is 5 yrs obligation, so it is not just this yr to make cap fit and also, they knew at some pt they were gonna get hit w/heavy #s for both Fox and Zib.

Eich should not have been considered by NY due to risk w/neck issues, at least not until after seeing him healed and how effective then; but pretty much only way to add at 10m or so size deal was for them to sell high on zib now as an expiring rental. No other way for cap to fit.

 

[57special]

Miller and a first maybe

edit: I doubt the rangers want to get rid of a player that cheap but maybe they see something they don’t like and want to sell high

 

[Richard88]

Brooks pulls stuff out of his @$$ every now and then. I think the idea he’s going to get moved to the Canucks because of his agent is silly and speculative.

That being said, this is a strange year for the Rangers. Hes stuck behind Kreider and Panarin on the depth chart, they need a Top 6 RW and another Center in the worst way, and they’re ahead of schedule on their rebuild, but do they really want to start moving major assets to start taking shots at a cup run?

They should have traded that 1st overall pick for a top young center when they had the chance.

 

[57special]

Laf is only 20 years old, give him some time to adjust to the pros and he will be solid in another year or two.

Solid is not what you expect from the #1 oa. You want "dominant", "electric", "brilliant". Guys like Zegras, Seider, Raymond, Stutzle, Lundell, Drysdale, Robertson, Mercer are outplaying him... maybe even guys like Jarvis and Boldy.

I wish I could say that I see something in him, but he just looks kind of slow, and peripheral right now. I thought he was a sure thing coming out of junior.

No blame on the NYR for picking him, or Kakko. They were the clear and obvious consensus picks in their respective draft years.

 

[Taluss]

Laff will be worth pennies on the dollar if he doesn't find another gear next year. Rangers have a chance to win now and the return for Laff now could give them an edge.

Theres not a player avaliable that Laf can be traded for that would make Rangers a cup contender. So its not worth trading him. Especially considering how bad that trade can look years down the line

 

[Team Cozens]

not if you recognize Eich is 5 yrs obligation, so it is not just this yr to make cap fit and also, they knew at some pt they were gonna get hit w/heavy #s for both Fox and Zib.

Eich should not have been considered by NY due to risk w/neck issues, at least not until after seeing him healed and how effective then; but pretty much only way to add at 10m or so size deal was for them to sell high on zib now as an expiring rental. No other way for cap to fit.

Have you not followed Tampa the last 4 years??? They don’t care about next years cap. They go for Stanley Cups and then figure it out in the off seasons. Winners aren’t afraid to go for it.

 

[LordZapp]

That trade was 4 years ago, I think it is safe to say Miller has developed a bit. Also, JT Miller was in no way a throw in.

Rangers got:
Nemestikov, who was having an excellent season, and looked to be breaking out.
Recent 1st in Brett Howden
Recent 2nd in Hajek
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Do you really think all 5 assets were for McDonaugh?

Yes, honestly that is the return you would expect for an elite 1D in his prime at that time.

 

[Qwijibo]

If you believe Canucks fans they’d only be happy if Lafreniere was the sweetener in a Miller trade. They want way more. It’s ridiculous

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

If you believe Canucks fans they’d only be happy if Lafreniere was the sweetener in a Miller trade. They want way more. It’s ridiculous

A few people with bad takes, not the entire fanbase, most of us are far more rational about it and don't even expect Laf alone in a trade for Miller.

 

[Qwijibo]

A few people with bad takes, not the entire fanbase, most of us are far more rational about it and don't even expect Laf alone in a trade for Miller.

That’s good to hear. I’ve seen Canuck proposals along the lines of Schneider, Lafreniere, Othmann and a 1st for Miller at 50% retained. Lol

 

[Rangeri]

Have you not followed Tampa the last 4 years??? They don’t care about next years cap. They go for Stanley Cups and then figure it out in the off seasons. Winners aren’t afraid to go for it.

Tampa knew exactly what their core is before they won, Rangers still figuring it out. Their situation differs.

 

[Savant]

They had a Eichel-sized cap hole the entire offseason.

And Buffalo’s owner refused to trade with the Rangers.

 

[gianni]

Tampa knew exactly what their core is before they won, Rangers still figuring it out. Their situation differs.

I'd say it's the four players in the top-16 in scoring, and Igor Shesterkin.

 

[bernmeister]

Solid is not what you expect from the #1 oa. You want "dominant", "electric", "brilliant". Guys like Zegras, Seider, Raymond, Stutzle, Lundell, Drysdale, Robertson, Mercer are outplaying him... maybe even guys like Jarvis and Boldy.

I wish I could say that I see something in him, but he just looks kind of slow, and peripheral right now. I thought he was a sure thing coming out of junior.

No blame on the NYR for picking him, or Kakko. They were the clear and obvious consensus picks in their respective draft years.

more than fair, and actually kind upon reflection. The key here is a consensus on his skating not quite NHL level, but that is continuously improving and by mid next season he could well be on his way

 

[bernmeister]

Have you not followed Tampa the last 4 years??? They don’t care about next years cap. They go for Stanley Cups and then figure it out in the off seasons. Winners aren’t afraid to go for it.

That statement is reckless. This is how you wind up having to take on a Seabrook for cap.
It is always smarter to control the cap rather than let the cap control you.
And, nothing wrong with playing it with measured risk on an extended window instead of going too far and missing all in.
Some of those deals on the '94 Rangers were necessary, but I get the feeling had we kept Mike Gartner and been smarter about 1-2 others we'd be better off w/better shot at more cups

 

[belair]

They should have traded that 1st overall pick for a top young center when they had the chance.

I suggested Lafreniere for Jack Hughes, but Rangers fans went ballistic.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I'd say it's the four players in the top-16 in scoring, and Igor Shesterkin.

You are not correct.

Cores aren't built around a #1 center, #1 winger, #1 defenseman and #1 goalie.

Wait, you are correct.

Carry on.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

That’s good to hear. I’ve seen Canuck proposals along the lines of Schneider, Lafreniere, Othmann and a 1st for Miller at 50% retained. Lol

After years of living in shit, a few fans are shooting for the moon, we'll never get that much for Miller. Period.

 

[Lion Hound]

Hate the idea for the NYR.

Miller was a solid player for the Rangers…They got fleeced on initial deal to Tampa. Undoubtedly the worst trade they made in quite sometime.

Commit to a rebuild get all sorts of assets only to and then trade the first OA in their history after only 2 incomplete seasons for the player they gave away for a box a shit from Tampa. not to mention you get two years of that player. Also worthy of note, he’s a LW who seems to play Center but not his primary role.

Drury did well with Reaves and Goodrow. Terrible with Nemeth and Tinordi. Messed up the Kravtsov situation. He did terrible with Buchnevich deal. With that said his team has overachieved thus far. Too little of a track record to gauge what he will do next, but a deal for a long term rental for a former 1st OA sounds to me like a terrible hand.

 

[Quinning]

I would say there are three tiers of offers from the Rangers.

Offer 1: Underpaying

Kravtsov, Barron, 1st 2022

Offer 2: Fair Value

Schneider, 1st 2022

Offer 3: Overpaying

Lafreniere, Barron, 1st 2022

 

[Kocur Dill]

That statement is reckless. This is how you wind up having to take on a Seabrook for cap.
It is always smarter to control the cap rather than let the cap control you.
And, nothing wrong with playing it with measured risk on an extended window instead of going too far and missing all in.
Some of those deals on the '94 Rangers were necessary, but I get the feeling had we kept Mike Gartner and been smarter about 1-2 others we'd be better off w/better shot at more cups

I forget exactly what I read but Gartner was a Messier or Keenan thing. One of them put it in Neil Smith's head that Gartner wasn't the type of personality that does what it takes to win the Cup.

 

[bernmeister]

I forget exactly what I read but Gartner was a Messier or Keenan thing. One of them put it in Neil Smith's head that Gartner wasn't the type of personality that does what it takes to win the Cup.

Thanks for the share. I wouldn't put it past either Messier who I respected, or Keenan, who I don't.
Pt is, there is no given. And that was when it was easier to so call 'buy a cup' if you had $$. We were fortunate as there were worthy opponents including that yrs VAN if I remember. Gartner, Zubov, coupla others, I'd re-examine options there.

 

[jackjohnson]

I would say there are three tiers of offers from the Rangers.

Offer 1: Underpaying

Kravtsov, Barron, 1st 2022

Offer 2: Fair Value

Schneider, 1st 2022

Offer 3: Overpaying

Lafreniere, Barron, 1st 2022

2nd offer needs a third piece to be fair. A late 1st and Schneider gets you in the door but needs another piece to entice JR to pull the trigger right away. That piece could be a Nils Lunkvist or Othman.

 

[Team Cozens]

Tampa knew exactly what their core is before they won, Rangers still figuring it out. Their situation differs.

Eichel was exactly the Rangers needed and they had the cap space. It was a massive mistake to not go all in to get a 1C. Laf, Kakko or anyone. Elite 1C players are unicorns and they let one go because they were afraid of the what ifs.