Speculation: Larry Brooks: Canucks possibly going to make a run at Lafreniere

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Eichel was exactly the Rangers needed and they had the cap space. It was a massive mistake to not go all in to get a 1C. Laf, Kakko or anyone. Elite 1C players are unicorns and they let one go because they were afraid of the what ifs.

LaFontaine, Bure, and Clowe off the top of my head. under James Dolan's ownership. Besides the fact, Adams and Buffalo refused to let the bidding team see and assess the medical records.

It was not an unreasonable deferment by the Rangers hierarchy. The best they could do was make a diligent guess.
 

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not if you recognize Eich is 5 yrs obligation, so it is not just this yr to make cap fit and also, they knew at some pt they were gonna get hit w/heavy #s for both Fox and Zib.

Eich should not have been considered by NY due to risk w/neck issues, at least not until after seeing him healed and how effective then; but pretty much only way to add at 10m or so size deal was for them to sell high on zib now as an expiring rental. No other way for cap to fit.
Rangers should have traded Zibanejad and used those assets plus some of their own to get Eichel. Eichel is just sooooo much better than him.
 
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Eichel was exactly the Rangers needed and they had the cap space. It was a massive mistake to not go all in to get a 1C. Laf, Kakko or anyone. Elite 1C players are unicorns and they let one go because they were afraid of the what ifs.
Yep you're the same NYR hater that always used to spout drivel over Eichel and NY. Guess what? It wasn't going to happen regardless of whether NYR put Laf or Kakko on the table because of BUF's ridiculous owners and GM. Heaven forbid Jack went to New York, oh the humanity. Besides you're talking about a situation before the season was really underway and nobody knew how Laf would do in this season.
 
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Larry says dumb shit like this all the time. He didn't think they would be able to sign Nils Lundqvist because they drafted Braden Schneider. He doesn't have any sources anymore within the Rangers organization. Disregard.
 

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Rangers should have traded Zibanejad and used those assets plus some of their own to get Eichel. Eichel is just sooooo much better than him.
while we are entitled to subjective opinions there, I don't like overrated Eichel --- good but overrated --- and med risk factor etc. Like even if everything is 111% good, this is the kind of condition that makes you more vulnerable than the average skater to a tough boarding, for example, or other rough outcome.

I was open in a fluid situation, but my preferences were:
deal strome to free up roster spot and $$, also Geo for cheaper
try Krav at C
overpay Zib but only for 4 years [like 10.25?] and no nmc, only decent ntc. that would have meant cutting corners on a McKegg here or there but we'd have him for now and if we needed to we could move him for a haul. But he wanted to stay in NY and took less to remain a Ranger. In the short term, that saves $ but long term it could backfire. Again, all these damn nmcs = less flexibility, mo roster restrictions.
 

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They're not gonna trade Laf so early; this is dumb. NYR management know that some 1OA guys take time.
I don’t know about that. The Rangers are close, and their best players are right in their primes. Adding a ppg guy who plays centre and wing, who is a big guy that plays a heavy game might put them right up there with the best teams. And if it is Miller they go for, they’d have him for two play-off runs at a very good ca p cost. I’d try to give u Kappo first though.
 

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while we are entitled to subjective opinions there, I don't like overrated Eichel --- good but overrated --- and med risk factor etc. Like even if everything is 111% good, this is the kind of condition that makes you more vulnerable than the average skater to a tough boarding, for example, or other rough outcome.

I was open in a fluid situation, but my preferences were:
deal strome to free up roster spot and $$, also Geo for cheaper
try Krav at C
overpay Zib but only for 4 years [like 10.25?] and no nmc, only decent ntc. that would have meant cutting corners on a McKegg here or there but we'd have him for now and if we needed to we could move him for a haul. But he wanted to stay in NY and took less to remain a Ranger. In the short term, that saves $ but long term it could backfire. Again, all these damn nmcs = less flexibility, mo roster restrictions.
Name the last Zibanejad level player that took less years and no NMC on their big payday contract.
 

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while we are entitled to subjective opinions there, I don't like overrated Eichel --- good but overrated --- and med risk factor etc. Like even if everything is 111% good, this is the kind of condition that makes you more vulnerable than the average skater to a tough boarding, for example, or other rough outcome.

I was open in a fluid situation, but my preferences were:
deal strome to free up roster spot and $$, also Geo for cheaper
try Krav at C
overpay Zib but only for 4 years [like 10.25?] and no nmc, only decent ntc. that would have meant cutting corners on a McKegg here or there but we'd have him for now and if we needed to we could move him for a haul. But he wanted to stay in NY and took less to remain a Ranger. In the short term, that saves $ but long term it could backfire. Again, all these damn nmcs = less flexibility, mo roster restrictions.
Well there is risk involved in everything... I think taking a risk on a player like Eichel is exactly what the Rangers should have done. Zibanejad is not a championship level 1c imo and the contract he got also has a lot of risk. Rangers have so many young players that trading some of them for a player like Eichel would not have made much of a dent at all. If all these guys like Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Lundqvist, Schneider, etc. reach their potential, the Rangers aren't going to be able to afford them all anyways. Whereas Eichel would be locked in for 10m.
 

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I don't really see how the Canucks could move Horvat. He's the captain, and heart and soul of the team. Plus just logistically, if you move him...how do you replace him in the lineup? Lafreniere isn't a Center. He's not going to fill that role.
 

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Theres not a player avaliable that Laf can be traded for that would make Rangers a cup contender. So its not worth trading him. Especially considering how bad that trade can look years down the line

Or Laf could end up bouncing around the league for a few years before tearing it up in a European circuit. He's still a question mark in this league, and the Rangers need to decide if they want to squeak into the playoffs or make some noise.
 

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I don’t know about that. The Rangers are close, and their best players are right in their primes. Adding a ppg guy who plays centre and wing, who is a big guy that plays a heavy game might put them right up there with the best teams. And if it is Miller they go for, they’d have him for two play-off runs at a very good ca p cost. I’d try to give u Kappo first though.
no on either, we need cheap quality youth going forward also cap does not allow us to add Miller or Hertln this yr
 

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Name the last Zibanejad level player that took less years and no NMC on their big payday contract.
Not applicable b'c if we wanted to play hardball -- obv not the route we chose -- we would have instead done the nuclear option and dealt him for primo rental swag. IOW, we were not dependent on him capitulating to less term. What we did was good short term, prob not so good long term, but cap is a beeeatch until we can deal Trouba
 

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Well there is risk involved in everything... I think taking a risk on a player like Eichel is exactly what the Rangers should have done. Zibanejad is not a championship level 1c imo and the contract he got also has a lot of risk. Rangers have so many young players that trading some of them for a player like Eichel would not have made much of a dent at all. If all these guys like Kakko, Kravtsov, Miller, Lundqvist, Schneider, etc. reach their potential, the Rangers aren't going to be able to afford them all anyways. Whereas Eichel would be locked in for 10m.
respectful agree to disagree
value of Eich w/injury, etc risk <<< Zib + not having to surrender crazy assets
 

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Or Laf could end up bouncing around the league for a few years before tearing it up in a European circuit. He's still a question mark in this league, and the Rangers need to decide if they want to squeak into the playoffs or make some noise.
NO, this is an inaccurate narrative for one reason. It ignores that the key, perhaps the only real reason LaF is underperforming, is his skating, which is slowly improving and may be NHL sufficient by next season. Unless NY gets offer based on that expectation of LaF development AND which is too good to turn down, they should keep him. LaF ranked [not verbatim but something like] the best non-generational 1OA since MacKinnon. That should not be thrown out the window.
 

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Not applicable b'c if we wanted to play hardball -- obv not the route we chose -- we would have instead done the nuclear option and dealt him for primo rental swag. IOW, we were not dependent on him capitulating to less term. What we did was good short term, prob not so good long term, but cap is a beeeatch until we can deal Trouba
Absolutely applicable because it's what happens in the real world.
 

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Absolutely applicable because it's what happens in the real world.
this ^ is yr opinion. What I stated was factually true as an option for NY. Howev, it is all moot. We were thin at pivot so we took the instant gratification of Zib for a bit less with term, with the hope it doesn't bite us in the ass later. Which is fine. The killer is nmc.
 

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I would rather they hold onto Laf and him be a bust than move him and watch him turn into a monster elsewhere.
Yes, and since we have identified skating as his prob, and since it is reasonable to think that gets upgraded near future, at which pt he busts out, best to hold barring massive overpay
 
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I would rather they hold onto Laf and him be a bust than move him and watch him turn into a monster elsewhere.

Sure but the NYR forward core is in it's prime right now and the window might be for 2 years or so and Miller fits in there very nicely if they want to make a run.

Honestly I think they need more than just Miller but some team will pay for Miller for 2 shots at the cup and it will cost them a really good asset or 2 not just a bunch of throw away guys.
 
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The NYR have too many LW!!!! We need a RW or a center!!! JT Miller was my fave NYRand I am glad Gorton and JD got canned for this trade alone!!! But JT is not the right guy at this time. We need RW. Could also use a left shot one timer on PP.
 

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Agree. They're not one piece away. Like Bern said, barring massive op there is no reason to move him.

The thing is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's what the NYR management thinks about SC windows, how close they are ect....
 

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Laff Honestly is overrated, but it’s still worth quite a bit considering it was the first overall recently.
He's not rated that highly right now which is why he's not going anywhere. His game is gradually improving. As a Ranger fan, he is untouchable. I don't know if Drury feels that way.
 

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I think Miller makes a ton of sense for the Rangers to acquire, and will cost a pretty penny to get, but I do believe pretty strongly that Lafreniere is just easy clickbait around the coincidence that we recently hired his former agent

If the headline literally writes itself you have to expect the media to print it.
He really doesn't. The Rangers are pretenders for this year and maybe next. The real future is likely two years away and onward. Trading any of our guys with big upside would be simply stupid at this point. PATIENCE.
 

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