Speculation: Larkin trade return

[dj4aces]

Looking to add to what? We are losing Larkin. Even if we get something of equal value (unlikely) that only puts us even to where we are right now. Also seems heavily unlikely that another teams GM would make comments about what another team is doing. Not tampering, but along the same lines.

It doesn't necessarily put us at even.

Larkin is his own player, and we know -- for better and for worse -- what he brings in his current role as 1C and captain of this team. Depending on the player we trade for, it could put us at even, or it could put us ahead. There's a scenario where we take a step forward with the move, as well as the destination team, and it's all based on the traits of the player we receive in return, coupled with whether Larkin is ever put in a leadership role on his new team.

 

[Oddbob]

I'm simply saying that we have some good pieces and prospects and simply the IDEA of adding more good players could in fact work in building a good hockey team.

But ok, everyone can proceed with their complete doomerism. Debrincat, Raymond, Seider, & Edvinsson will immediately ask to be traded next week. Every prospect will bust monumentally. We will be unable to field a team because no one will ever sign a contract with Detroit ever again.

It is doom like, because we are losing a very good player and will very likely get less back. Then add that the next 2 highest ranked center prospects on our team had very disappointing (Kasper) and underwhelming (Danielson) seasons. That doesn't leave a lot of hope for the team this upcoming season. We have watched a lot of losing seasons in a row (10) and I really doubt with the Larkin loss, Kane loss or return at 38 years old being good things.

That also doesn't touch that Cat who had a great season this past year is now going to draw much tougher coverage this season with one less weapon on the team in Larkin. That will make it harder to replicate what he did this season. We were already a one line time and nothing has changed so far into this offseason, unless one of our young kids really hits a home-run in the improvement department. Not super confident Kasper is just going to have a monster season based on how he played just months ago. Then we still as of right now, have Chiarot in our top 4 and Aljo doesn't really look better than him.

Also rumours of Steve trading Cossa for a light return after spending assets to move up to get him and lots of time spent developing, only not to even play him.

Nobody said Ray, Mo and Ed are asking to be traded so not sure why you even mention that.

 

[lilidk]

Not about being better. Buffalo is not a desired location. They would have to already be further along to be enticing and even then it would still be a tougher sell than other top teams. Buffalo has always had this issue, even when good. No different than Detroit, only winning makes players from other places want to play there.

They had very strong second part of the season, and they have a lot of talent thanks to the high draft picks.

 

[Oddbob]

It doesn't necessarily put us at even.

Larkin is his own player, and we know -- for better and for worse -- what he brings in his current role as 1C and Captain of this team. Depending on the player we trade for, it could put us at even, or it could put us ahead. There's a scenario where we take a step forward with the move, as well as the destination team, and it's all based on the traits of the player we receive in return, coupled with whether Larkin is ever put in a leadership role on his new team.

Maybe. I think it is much likelier we either end up with futures who won't be in our lineup this year or lower impact or a player lesser than Larkin.

Who is this theoretical player on a team Larkin will go to, that is even close to Larkin? This Robertson pipedream is just that, cause why would he come here? We missed the playoffs, and are losing a good player from that team, and he was on a contender.

 

[Oddbob]

They had very strong second part of the season, and they have a lot of talent thanks to the high draft picks.

Yeah, but my main point is that even being good now, they are not a desired location. Buffalo has always had trouble attracting top end players, even during the good seasons.

Larkin picked all teams with people he knows and is good friends with and are strong contenders. Never heard of any friendship between Thompson and Larkin so that isn't likely a draw for him either.

 

[USAHockey97]

This is the game of chicken being played now.

For one, I think Yzerman has a stronger hand to play in this situation than Larkin. He should exercise that leverage.

And secondly, I don’t think it’ll actually come to that. Larkin will fold under pressure like he usually does.

Perhaps. We’ll just have to wait and see. Seems Yzerman is better at holding grudges than building a competitive team in Detroit, so you might be right.

 

[izlez]

Maybe. I think it is much likelier we either end up with futures who won't be in our lineup this year or lower impact or a player lesser than Larkin.

Who is this theoretical player on a team Larkin will go to, that is even close to Larkin? This Robertson pipedream is just that, cause why would he come here? We missed the playoffs, and are losing a good player from that team, and he was on a contender.

Why would Alex Tuch leave a "contender" to go to a team that missed the playoffs?

 

[jkutswings]

Perhaps. We’ll just have to wait and see. Seems Yzerman is better at holding grudges than building a competitive team in Detroit, so you might be right.

I've heard of the September Heisman in college football. It seems the Wings have cornered the market on the January Playoff Award.

 

[Oddbob]

Why would Alex Tuch leave a "contender" to go to a team that missed the playoffs?

They were closer than us, and they just added Kyrou yesterday.

 

[dj4aces]

Maybe. I think it is much likelier we either end up with futures who won't be in our lineup this year or lower impact or a player lesser than Larkin.

And I think Yzerman doesn't want a series of mystery boxes and magic beans that might pan out, but probably won't.

If Yzerman wanted that, Larkin would be gone by now.

 

[izlez]

They were closer than us, and they just added Kyrou yesterday.

Ahh yes, that last week of the season changes the fate of our franchise forever. Washington sneaks past us (and still misses the playoffs) and can trade for anyone they would like. We can never trade for anyone again because they will refuse to play for us

 

[Oddbob]

And I think Yzerman doesn't want a series of mystery boxes and magic beans that might pan out, but probably won't.

If Yzerman wanted that, Larkin would be gone by now.

Well there aren't many good players that are in the NHL on Larkin's list of teams.

Ahh yes, that last week of the season changes the fate of our franchise forever. Washington sneaks past us (and still misses the playoffs) and can trade for anyone they would like. We can never trade for anyone again because they will refuse to play for us

Did you miss the part where they just added a player. We are losing a player, not the same thing. This Robertson thing is just fan speculation and nothing more. But yes continue to just hope everything is awesome and people will just come here, cause reasons.

 

[dj4aces]

Well there aren't many good players that are in the NHL on Larkin's list of teams.

There's also a lot we don't know, starting with whether Larkin actually expanded his list of potential destination, and if so, where?

If it's still the three teams, we look at Guerin, and Russo's report that Guerin may need to find a third team.

If it's not, we throw darts at teams and their rosters and hope what we want is also what Yzerman is targeting.

At the end of the day, the only person who really knows what's going on is Yzerman.

 

[izlez]

Well there aren't many good players that are in the NHL on Larkin's list of teams.



Did you miss the part where they just added a player. We are losing a player, not the same thing. This Robertson thing is just fan speculation and nothing more. But yes continue to just hope everything is awesome and people will just come here, cause reasons.

Why are they allowed to trade for Kyrou?????? Why would he accept a trade to a team that's not contending????

We were talking about the hypothetical of trading Larkin for a quality winger and if that could work. You came in and said we're not allowed to do that. The REASONS people will come here is because we are discussing hypotheticals in which we trade for them

 

[USAHockey97]

The Sharks have as many top 10 picks in the last 4 seasons as we've had during Yzerman's entire tenure. We have had one more top 11 pick during our entire rebuild than they have had in the last 4 years.

No wonder we suck.

Good point. Now the questions. What does Yzerman do about it? How does Yzerman get the team to be a cup contender?

 

[Claypool]

I think Buffalo is not done. My prediction (hope) is they move the 4th overall pick and Josh Norris' contract (Michigan guy, young, center, but always injured) for Larkin. I just don't see Buffalo keeping that pick.

Then I think they make a move for Helly involving Krebs. Will they both be willing to go to Buffalo is the thing.

 

[toskaladagoat]

He's gonna do what's best for the team not Larkin.

Seiders team. Seiders timeline. Not fans timeline.

 

[schuelma24]

 

[saska sault]

That just leaves more questions. Do they move on from Robertson or do they fit him and Larkin? Would be tough for Dallas but there is always a way. I am all for getting Robertson, just don't see it happening.

 

[jkutswings]

This may be an unpopular take, but if this amounts to a trade of Dylan Larkin for Jason Robertson, I don't think that's going to end well for Detroit... unless the Wings somehow unearth a much better center than anybody currently on their roster.

 

[ShanahanMan]

This may be an unpopular take, but if this amounts to a trade of Dylan Larkin for Jason Robertson, I don't think that's going to end well for Detroit... unless the Wings somehow unearth a much better center than anybody currently on their roster.

That wasn’t gonna happen anyway. Larkin for Robertson straight up with guaranteed extension is think is best we can possibly get.

 

[jkutswings]

That wasn’t gonna happen anyway. Larkin for Robertson straight up with guaranteed extension is think is best we can possibly get.

For a short term move, sure. But I think that's a mistake. All this does is guarantee Detroit is paying a lot of money for Robertson to not make the playoffs.

 

[Claypool]

This may be an unpopular take, but if this amounts to a trade of Dylan Larkin for Jason Robertson, I don't think that's going to end well for Detroit... unless the Wings somehow unearth a much better center than anybody currently on their roster.

Obviously. No way Robertson replicates his 45 goal season again in Detroit. He'll spend most of his ice time playing in the defensive end. I still also don't think he'd agree to an extension. He might have to play the year out in Detroit and leave via free agency. Or the Wings can flip him at the deadline.

 

[SantosHalper]

His name is Paul Petes? PP?

 

[SirloinUB]

This may be an unpopular take, but if this amounts to a trade of Dylan Larkin for Jason Robertson, I don't think that's going to end well for Detroit... unless the Wings somehow unearth a much better center than anybody currently on their roster.

I think it would ultimately be a big bet that our young centers have more to give.