Rumor: Larkin requests trade

[Bear Carter]

I have literally no idea what Vegas thinks they have to trade.

 

[JerkNazi]

We get rid of a player that many of us have believed for some time is the root of the locker room rot and Yzerman is forced to deal with the glaring inadequacies of his rebuild. Best off-season ever

Dealing with the locker room rot might help with the inadequacies of the rebuild.

As I mentioned earlier, I really think SY’s big mistake at the beginning was keeping Larkin and not dumping him five or six years ago for a haul. It’s become more and more clear that Larkin’s leadership isn’t where it should be for a young team. The constant March collapses speak as much to a leadership problem as a talent problem.

 

[dj4aces]

On 32 Thoughts, Friedman talks Larkin. The video should start where the topic of Larkin begins. If not, the topic begins at 23:15 and ends at roughly 37:00.

 

[Leibinger6]

Lmfao holy shit aaaron ward has lost his f***en mind

Cossa or Augustine and Larkin to oilers to eat Darnell nurse and then mentions nudgen hopkins as a dangle piece

Most ridiculous shit I’ve ever heard of in my life

Larkin + cossa/augustine

Nurse + Hopkins and picks?

Baahahahaha

Detroit would have Yzerman’s head on a stick. Fans here are already as equally frustrated with SY as they are Dylan.

 

[dj4aces]

I have literally no idea what Vegas thinks they have to trade.

I'm gonna be honest with you. 31 teams think they have what it takes to get him. Whether it be a bottom-feeder and their high first rounder, or a contender who has center depth they'd be willing to ship our way.

Another thing to think about? If it's true that "this has been going on for a while", Stevie has been taking trade calls for months (if not a year or more). I'm willing to bet there's been some fine deals to come across his desk that Larkin vetoes, and this now being public likely lights a fire under Larkin to shit or get off the pot.

 

[jkutswings]

Dealing with the locker room rot might help with the inadequacies of the rebuild.

As I mentioned earlier, I really think SY’s big mistake at the beginning was keeping Larkin and not dumping him five or six years ago for a haul. It’s become more and more clear that Larkin’s leadership isn’t where it should be for a young team. The constant March collapses speak as much to a leadership problem as a talent problem.

Fair. But then it also raises the question: why did Yzerman also bring in a coach who has a reputation of not playing the kids enough? Isn't that a conflict with having a young team too?

The last 3-4 years has felt like straddling the fence in the name of risk aversion, only to now have to rebuild the rebuild.

 

[JerkNazi]

Fair. But then it also raises the question: why did Yzerman also bring in a coach who has a reputation of not playing the kids enough? Isn't that a conflict with having a young team too?

The last 3-4 years has felt like straddling the fence in the name of risk aversion, only to now have to rebuild the rebuild.

Fair point. Didn’t SY say something at the time he hired Newsy that he found it hard to hire and work with people he didn’t already know, or am I misremembering? Might also explain TM’s hiring mid-season.

I do have to wonder if TM is the long-term coaching plan, to be honest, or if he was a stopgap that would wear out his welcome and be gone as soon as we got good.

 

[Bear Carter]

On 32 Thoughts, Friedman talks Larkin. The video should start where the topic of Larkin begins. If not, the topic begins at 23:15 and ends at roughly 37:00.

Friedman makes it sound like the relationship between Yzerman and Larkin is way worse than we knew.

 

[FMichael]

Not at all. We get rid of a player that many of us have believed for some time is the root of the locker room rot and Yzerman is forced to deal with the glaring inadequacies of his rebuild. Best off-season ever

Not gonna lie - this will be the most interesting/exciting off season in years...Good or bad - I am looking forward to it!

 

[FMichael]

Lmfao holy shit aaaron ward has lost his f***en mind

Cossa or Augustine and Larkin to oilers to eat Darnell nurse and then mentions nudgen hopkins as a dangle piece

Most ridiculous shit I’ve ever heard of in my life

Larkin + cossa/augustine

Nurse + Hopkins and picks?

Baahahahaha

Way too early in the day - although it is a Friday...

 

[The Zermanator]

Not enough.

I’m not going to argue against getting more from Anaheim. But as far as big pieces go that’s fair, and I’ll take a younger 2C + 2LD over the older 2C with a mopey attitude.

Makes no sense to trade Edvinsson, he is one of the building blocks.

Misa is also a building block. And we don’t have any Cs that project to be better than him. He would be our 1C within 2-3 years, the only major piece we’ve lacked in the pipeline for years and years. Misa at 1C and McTavish at 2C would be the best top 6 C lineup we’ve had in more than a decade.

We already have a dman better than Edvinsson and the aforementioned Larkin trade would bring us another big Scandinavian to at least somewhat fill his shoes.

Not really any sense to trade as he wants to be here and is one of the positive guys with good attitude who produce points.

The sense is to be bad enough next year that we can pick high and get another blue chip forward. Debrincat prevents that and by the time the younger core led by Seider are all in or around their primes Debrincat will be past his.

 

[FMichael]

Capt Obvious statement: gonna be a interesting Draft Weekend later this month...

 

[raymond23]

Well honk my hooters was I wrong about the possibility of this ever happening.

I guess the end of season meeting with Yzerman and Larkin didn't go well?

Larkin is a very good player and he definitely cares, but something was wrong in that locker room. I hope it was Larkin. Not because I hate the guy, but because it means it's getting addressed.

Crazy that when he got put in a headlock by Zub in his first game back from injury, no Wings player did anything until after the fact DeBrincat fought Zub.

There's been something rotten with this organization for years

The disconnect between the GM and Captain is now clearly the culprit

Well, now the Captain will be gone. So no more excuses for Yzerman

I feel more hopeful now than I did before this news. Not sure how to process that

 

[FMichael]

I'm gonna be honest with you. 31 teams think they have what it takes to get him. Whether it be a bottom-feeder and their high first rounder, or a contender who has center depth they'd be willing to ship our way.

Another thing to think about? If it's true that "this has been going on for a while", Stevie has been taking trade calls for months (if not a year or more). I'm willing to bet there's been some fine deals to come across his desk that Larkin vetoes, and this now being public likely lights a fire under Larkin to shit or get off the pot.

I could see the 'animosity' brewing for the past handful of seasons (peaking in '25 after Larkin's comment to the media), but actual trade proposals from other clubs?

If that's true and DBoss negated any move - hmmmmmm.

 

[Euro Twins]

1) The majority of us do appreciate what he has done here but he’s overrated and overvalued.

2) Comparing Marner and Larkin hate is ridiculous. Didn’t you ever read the Maple Leaf hfboards? No. I think Marner was getting death threats. If I remember right. Complete Bull on your part.

I read the Toronto’s boards for entertainment and this is G compared to Toronto's talk and that after Larkins trade request.

3) He didn’t give his all he forgot how to play hockey after March 1.

Kevin Durant is a basketball player that has sock accounts on twitter that he defends himself on and doesn’t identify himself. Seems like something you are doing.

I was obviously being a bit over exaggerant with the marner comparison.

I have seen a ton of people the last year or two attacking larkins leadership, compete, skill etc..

I definitely don't have any sock accounts bud.

 

[SirKillalot]

Misa is also a building block. And we don’t have any Cs that project to be better than him. He would be our 1C within 2-3 years, the only major piece we’ve lacked in the pipeline for years and years. Misa at 1C and McTavish at 2C would be the best top 6 C lineup we’ve had in more than a decade.

We already have a dman better than Edvinsson and the aforementioned Larkin trade would bring us another big Scandinavian to at least somewhat fill his shoes.

Defense wins Championships.
You don't trade away a top pair or top four d-man when you got one. It's easier to find forwards than d-men later on.

Debrincat prevents that and by the time the younger core led by Seider are all in or around their primes Debrincat will be past his.

Several players with similar size played long into their 30's and doing well. Martin St. Louis is one Mats Zuccarello is another.
DeBrincat can also not do all things by himself, so having one guy I don't think prevents that.
Though if an offer is really good its something to consider, but wouldn't actively shop him.

 

[RedHawkDown]

It was clearly terrible and several of us here called it out when Steve looked like he was having an aneurysm commenting on Larkin’s comments last postseason. Of course we got called delusional Debbie downers by the perpetual toxic optimists around these parts.

Friedman makes it sound like the relationship between Yzerman and Larkin is way worse than we knew.

Yzerman should also be fired but maybe/hopefully this trade allows him to right the ship on his failed rebuild.

 

[Oddbob]

How often has the team been inspired by Larkin or rallied behind him? Does anything about his tenure as captain made you think "man this guy is a good leader"?

To be fair to Dylan, when he is playing hurt or out, the team plays much much worse, and no one really steps up and takes charge. I think people are being way too hard on Dylan and had way too high of expectations from his level of player. He has been on a crappy team every year but his first year, and the last 3 seasons, the teams were nothing special at all. I mean this year alone, his LW for over half the season was a 7th round pick who played well but should be not be a first line player. Other linemates were Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi, none of which are anything special. Lucas Raymond also nosedived at seasons end as well.

A much better player than Dylan it might be fair to expect him to lead us to the playoffs with the players he has had in his career, but Dylan is Top 20-30 Center, not an elite player.

 

[Oddbob]

Pagnotta is basically Eklund.

 

[ColdToiletSeats]

Taking this Team and Captaincy for granted. Larkin will one day regret this decision, I promise you this. He will be forever boo'd at LCA worse than Fedorov, and I can't wait to hear it!

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

If these rumors of Larkin and Yzerman not getting along are true and that is what is fueling this, that says a lot more to me about Yzerman's management style, than Larkin's character.

All the Team USA coaches/players/staff etc seem to love Larkin and what he brings to the table in the locker room.

And yet he is an issue in Detroit?!?! This could be leak smear campaigning nonsense that tends to come out.

But it feels like Yzerman has a very strong "kiss the ring and always do as I say" style and the second he becomes irritated with you, you are gone. That can't continue, the Wings don't have the winning rep they use to to get away with that crap.

 

[The Zermanator]

Defense wins Championships.
You don't trade away a top pair or top four d-man when you got one. It's easier to find forwards than d-men later on.

Several players with similar size played long into their 30's and doing well. Martin St. Louis is one Mats Zuccarello is another.
DeBrincat can also not do all things by himself, so having one guy I don't think prevents that.
Though if an offer is really good its something to consider, but wouldn't actively shop him.

Can’t win a championship if you don’t make the playoffs, and our glaring weakness (in terms of talent and consistency) at the C position is by far our biggest weakness and obstacle to actually competing for championships.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Friedman makes it sound like the relationship between Yzerman and Larkin is way worse than we knew.

Eh, after listening there's a lot of jazz hands going on with Friedman. That's not a criticism, but he basically referenced Larkin's comments about not adding and then the response from SY and McLellan after they added Gibson and Faulk.

Anyone paying attention knew that was the case.

 

[The Zermanator]

If these rumors of Larkin and Yzerman not getting along are true and that is what is fueling this, that says a lot more to me about Yzerman's management style, than Larkin's character.

All the Team USA coaches/players/staff etc seem to love Larkin and what he brings to the table in the locker room.

And yet he is an issue in Detroit?!?! This could be leak smear campaigning nonsense that tends to come out.

But it feels like Yzerman has a very strong "kiss the ring and always do as I say" style and the second he becomes irritated with you, you are gone. That can't continue, the Wings don't have the winning rep they use to to get away with that crap.

Perhaps Larkin is a fair weather player and that’s ultimately been the source of the lack of leadership in the room when the going gets tough.

Put Larkin on a superteam and it’s all daisies.

Put Larkin on a team that needs a leader to step up and lead and he folds like a cheap lawn chair.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It is possible the team felt like Larkin was one of the issues due to his leadership.

How often has the team been inspired by Larkin or rallied behind him? Does anything about his tenure as captain made you think "man this guy is a good leader"?

He probably wasn’t. But I don’t see any single scenario where we are even remotely close to the playoffs now next season

We already had a terrible 2C, now we also don’t even have an average 1C

This sets us back a good 3 years.