Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Michoulicious]

Yeah, he planned it that way in the summer and now he's just going through the paces executing the plan. It's just that efforless for him.

If everything goes according to plan, he should end the year with 33 goals.

 

[Gillings]

He has a long way to reach that goal.

You name me another dman his size who can barely skate backwards playing in the top 4 of an NHL team......

I would love for you to be right but as of right now the evidence says 3rd pairing PP specialist and that is with further significant improvement.

I’ll name you about 15 defensman who should be in the AHL who are playing top 4 minutes

 

[Scriptor]

Hutson would have to beat Guhle as the Habs #1 LD to do that and I don't see it happening. Hutson will never have Guhle's physicality/IQ/skating combo and will struggle handling heavy forecheck from the league top players.

He should be a great offensive player for the Habs thought, you don't need 1st pair minutes as a D to be that.

I agree, but we have the question of who will pair with whom?

Independent of anything, Guhle - Reinbacher would make a great shutdown pair with offensive upside as a 1st pair, but that would leave the need for a pairing partner that could complement (if not shield) Hutson on a second pairing (Reinbacher would already be used up).

I doubt that would be Mailloux since, while Hutson and him likely have the highest offensive upside, they also the lowest defensive acumen. It would be a disaster waiting to happen and we'd fall back into the territory where Souray had scored 26 goals (mostly on the PP with 19), but had been on the ice for 28 more goals against us than for us at even strength.

It looks amazing on a stat sheet for the player, but doesn't necessarily lead to more wins for the team if we're bleeding goals at even strength when that D iron the ice. As a second pairing, Hutson - Mailloux would be too exposed for too long defensively. One would need be on the third pairing and that, in some games against heavier teams, might be Hutson, but for most games, would likely be Mailloux.

Fortunately, we have a mobile D like Engstrom in the system who has offensive upside -- enough to follow Hutson's roving style -- and solid defensive game that can appropriately complement Hutson. Engstrom is also a lefty, but plays the right side already in his European league. Hutson shifts regularly to the right side and Engstrom can cover on the left side when he does.

Barron, like Mailloux, is too much of defensive risk to eventually become the pairing partner for Hutson, IMO.

If all goes well with our prospects' development, Matheson, Barron and Harris should become valuable trade fodder over the upcoming years.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux

If everything goes according to plan, he should end the year with 33 goals.

lol. 'The Plan'.

I’ll name you about 15 defensman who should be in the AHL who are playing top 4 minutes

Curious? This proves what? That 15 teams have bad enough Ds to play an AHL level D in their top-4.

I don't agree that Hutson sucks as badly as some are insinuating, but I don't think you are making any sort of case for Hutson. I wouldn't hire you as lawyer to avoid jail time with that performance.

 

[Gillings]

I agree, but we have the question of who will pair with whom?

Independent of anything, Guhle - Reinbacher would make a great shutdown pair with offensive upside as a 1st pair, but that would leave the need for a pairing partner that could complement (if not shield) Hutson on a second pairing (Reinbacher would already be used up).

I doubt that would be Mailloux since, while Hutson and him likely have the highest offensive upside, they also the lowest defensive acumen. It would be a disaster waiting to happen and we'd fall back into the territory where Souray had scored 26 goals (mostly on the PP with 19), but had been on the ice for 28 more goals against us than for us at even strength.

It looks amazing on a stat sheet for the player, but doesn't necessarily lead to more wins for the team if we're bleeding goals at even strength when that D iron the ice. As a second pairing, Hutson - Mailloux would be too exposed for too long defensively. One would need be on the third pairing and that, in some games against heavier teams, might be Hutson, but for most games, would likely be Mailloux.

Fortunately, we have a mobile D like Engstrom in the system who has offensive upside -- enough to follow Hutson's roving style -- and solid defensive game that can appropriately complement Hutson. Engstrom is also a lefty, but plays the right side already in his European league. Hutson shifts regularly to the right side and Engstrom can cover on the left side when he does.

Barron, like Mailloux, is too much of defensive risk to eventually become the pairing partner for Hutson, IMO.

If all goes well with our prospects' development, Matheson, Barron and Harris should become valuable trade fodder over the upcoming years.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux

lol. 'The Plan'.


Curious? This proves what? That 15 teams have bad enough Ds to play an AHL level D in their top-4.

I don't agree that Hutson sucks as badly as some are insinuating, but I don't think you are making any sort of case for Hutson. I wouldn't hire you as lawyer to avoid jail time with that performance.

I think Barron has a lot more upside than you give him credit for. He’s still very young for a DMAN with a lot of room to grow and he’s showing us he is still growing.

 

[Scriptor]

I think Barron has a lot more upside than you give him credit for. He’s still very young for a DMAN

I also think he has more upside, offensively and, to a much lesser degree, defensively. I just don't think he'd be a great complement to a pairing with Hutson on it, so, unless he becomes a 3rd pairing D and plays the point on the 2nd PP wave, Think he will have more value in a trade for the Habs.

Barron will put up points, but is far from a physical player, despite the size (can't teach attitude and definitely not meanness). Defensively, he lacks the IQ for that, with his biggest flaw being his inability to identify his defensive assignment in tight near his own net.

Can that be taught? As much as we say it is easier to teach D than inject offensive talent into a player, with some, as we saw with Galchenyuk, D teachings don't compute (that might also end up being the case with Mailloux, so I wouldn't trade Barron just yet either).

I consider Barron, with at least some of his remaining upside reached by the time both Reinbacher and Mailloux are ready for the NHL, to be a strong component of a package deal for a quality winger that helps bolster the top-6 in the 2025 offseason (two seasons from now, including this one, where will also have plenty of quality draft picks and several veterans near the end of their contracts, or having become outright rentals).

Maybe Mailloux busts, but that would, again, still mean 3rd pairing duties for Barron. Would Barron be happy with this going forward and wouldn't he be more valuable as a component of an important trade, with it being easier to find a 3rd pairing replacement?

Guy blocked me because I told him teams' amateur scouting departments could and would sometimes be outperformed by the average person in our draft threads lmao

Teams' amateur scouting is often outperformed by the yearly rankings that are put out. It's no different than how the Stock Market Index routinely beats out individual investors.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I also think he has more upside, offensively and, to a much lesser degree, defensively. I just don't think he'd be a great complement to a pairing with Hutson on it, so, unless he becomes a 3rd pairing D and plays the point on the 2nd PP wave, Think he will have more value in a trade for the Habs.

Barron will put up points, but is far from a physical player, despite the size (can't teach attitude and definitely not meanness). Defensively, he lacks the IQ for that, with his biggest flaw being his inability to identify his defensive assignment in tight near his own net.

Can that be taught? As much as we say it is easier to teach D than inject offensive talent into a player, with some, as we saw with Galchenyuk, D teachings don't compute (that might also end up being the case with Mailloux, so I wouldn't trade Barron just yet either).

I consider Barron, with at least some of his remaining upside reached by the time both Reinbacher and Mailloux are ready for the NHL, to be a strong component of a package deal for a quality winger that helps bolster the top-6 in the 2025 offseason (two seasons from now, including this one, where will also have plenty of quality draft picks and several veterans near the end of their contracts, or having become outright rentals).

Maybe Mailloux busts, but that would, again, still mean 3rd pairing duties for Barron. Would Barron be happy with this going forward and wouldn't he be more valuable as a component of an important trade, with it being easier to find a 3rd pairing replacement?


Teams' amateur scouting is often outperformed by the yearly rankings that are put out. It's no different than how the Stock Market Index routinely beats out individual investors.

Exactly. Wouldn't think that would be an overly controversial take but here we are.

 

[Scriptor]

Exactly. Wouldn't think that would be an overly controversial take but here we are.

Don't know about the particular situation, but it might have to do with how the point was formulated?

 

[BLONG7]

1st pair, 2nd pair, or, even, 3rd pair, I don't care. What Hutson will bring to the PP hasn't been seen since Markov. That, alone, can turn MON into a winning team.

I haven't even mentioned Hutson at 3 VS 3 during OT. He could burn a D here and there regularly and create two on ones or breakaways. Caufield would get plenty of opportunities to score.

Absolutely...............better days ahead guys.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hutson would have to beat Guhle as the Habs #1 LD to do that and I don't see it happening. Hutson will never have Guhle's physicality/IQ/skating combo and will struggle handling heavy forecheck from the league top players.

He's not struggling with heavy forechecking now... I wouldn't assume he'll struggle at the NHL level.

I recognize that his game may not translate, his size will limit what he can do and he's got a long way to go. But a lot of folks assumed Caufield's game wouldn't translate either...

He should be a great offensive player for the Habs thought, you don't need 1st pair minutes as a D to be that.

Nice problem to have.

Let's see how it shakes out. Hopefully Hutson can take his game to the NHL. In the meantime, we'll enjoy the results he's getting now.

 

[morhilane]

He's not struggling with heavy forechecking now... I wouldn't assume he'll struggle at the NHL level.

Harris was a better defensive dmen than Hutson in the NCAA with his great defensive IQ/great skating combo and he's struggling at the NHL level because he lack the strength to deal with heavy forecheck at this level.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

You mean like last season when he was intentionally listed at a false height at BU....and it wasn't the college that did this as Lane sheepishly claimed, it was from him and/or his agent as both he and his brother were the only BU players to announce their "new" heights on that same day lol. He was just measured in July at just over 5'9" and it is unlikely that a kid who is turning 20 in 3 months just added another inch only 4 months since his last measurement.

This is a silly waste of time to even discuss nonsense like this based on people's hyper biased visual measurements.

I swear if penis size was important to success as a hockey player people on this site would be going over every picture of his groin region trying to convince us of his enormous hammer.....or drawing conclusions from the length of his nose or size of his ears lol.

Anyways.....I digress.

Damn dude I was just kidding

 

[Jaynki]

Harris was a better defensive dmen than Hutson in the NCAA with his great defensive IQ/great skating combo and he's struggling at the NHL level because he lack the strength to deal with heavy forecheck at this level.

Holloway was a way more complete forward than Caufield in the NCAA.

Holloway does not belong in a conversation with Caufield.

Harris does not belong in a conversation with Hutson.

Completely, completely different tiers of talent and upside. And that is the only reason why Harris struggle, same for Holloway. These guy are simply untalented compared to Caufield and Hutson.

 

[Jaynki]

He's not struggling with heavy forechecking now... I wouldn't assume he'll struggle at the NHL level.

I recognize that his game may not translate, his size will limit what he can do and he's got a long way to go. But a lot of folks assumed Caufield's game wouldn't translate either...

We have this strange tendencies to doubt our absolute best prospects (Slaf, Caufield, Hutson) for dubious reason. (Worthless tournament, too small, won't deal with forecheck) even if they display absolute elite traits. No prospect have a perfect profile but we should always bet on the high, massive upside and not being restrained by the flaws.

On the other hands, we also prop-up prospect with dubious upside and for dubious reason. Roy, Beck, Mailloux are seen has top liner, futur top pairing or ultimate 3C when they are trending the opposite of that.

Who cares if Hutson is small and has defensive flaws, he does thing with the puck and has offensive tools and elusiveness that only a few players have. He is trending as a superstar in the making jfc.

 

[26Mats]

Holloway was a way more complete forward than Caufield in the NCAA.

Holloway does not belong in a conversation with Caufield.

Harris does not belong in a conversation with Hutson.

Completely, completely different tiers of talent and upside. And that is the only reason why Harris struggle, same for Holloway. These guy are simply untalented compared to Caufield and Hutson.

Are you an expert on Holloway? What is his upside?

 

[morhilane]

Holloway was a way more complete forward than Caufield in the NCAA.

Holloway does not belong in a conversation with Caufield.

Harris does not belong in a conversation with Hutson.

Completely, completely different tiers of talent and upside. And that is the only reason why Harris struggle.

Holloway was not a better offensive forward than Caufield in the NCAA.

The post I responded to was about Hutson handling the NHL heavy forechecks aka defensive play, not about his complete game. The physical disparity will only be worst at the NHL level, since the NCAA isn't a very physical league.

 

[Jaynki]

Are you an expert on Holloway? What is his upside?

Im not an expert on anything related to hockey, just a passionate fan.

Holloway is a versatile depth player with speed and physicality. Dont think there is much offensive upside here. Would not expect more than a good 3rd liner from him.

 

[Habs10Habs]

showed some good things defensively, another impressive game from him.

I know you hear it enough. But thanks again for all your videos. The effort you put in is amazing.

 

[Habs10Habs]

Looks like their new team additions caused shooting lane to show up.

Getting to see Hutson and Macklin Celebrini work together is something special.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Harris was a better defensive dmen than Hutson in the NCAA with his great defensive IQ/great skating combo and he's struggling at the NHL level because he lack the strength to deal with heavy forecheck at this level.

And PK Subban would try to do too much in his own end.

Hutson isn’t a prospect without warts. If he didn’t have any he’d have gone a lot higher I the draft. But there’s no denying his success.

I’m not saying he’s blue chip. I’m not saying he’s going to be the next Makar. But I am saying that the potential for a star is there and we shouldn’t just write it off because he has some things to work on.

It’s ok to be optimistic. He’s given us every reason to be.

 

[Redux91]

Damn dude I was just kidding

Lol, yeah he does that..

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Holloway was a way more complete forward than Caufield in the NCAA.

Holloway does not belong in a conversation with Caufield.

Harris does not belong in a conversation with Hutson.

Completely, completely different tiers of talent and upside. And that is the only reason why Harris struggle, same for Holloway. These guy are simply untalented compared to Caufield and Hutson.

Well said.

Getting to see Hutson and Macklin Celebrini work together is something special.

Let's hope they can do that for a decade... with Caufield.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Are you an expert on Holloway? What is his upside?

Depending on the cost, Holloway would be an excellent addition who is well suited to the team’s management’s continuing efforts to construct a faster team. Holloway has elite speed. And who can complain about that?

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Why wouldn't he be a full time Dmen like Hughes? his NCAA stats blows away Hughes.

As a transferable skill to the NHL , SKATING is Hughes strong suit. One of the best skaters in the show. Lane is nowhere near that

 

[26Mats]

Depending on the cost, Holloway would be an excellent addition who is well suited to the team’s management’s continuing efforts to construct a faster team. Holloway has elite speed. And who can complain about that?

Yeah I wanted Matthieu Joseph at the start of the season, partly because of his side amd partly because there could ja e been untapped offensive potential. Now he has 11 points and his value must be up, and with Pinto out, not sure there is urgency to trade him.

 

[Habs10Habs]

Depending on the cost, Holloway would be an excellent addition who is well suited to the team’s management’s continuing efforts to construct a faster team. Holloway has elite speed. And who can complain about that?

Did you forget what board you were on for a second?