Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Estimated_Prophet]

Pretty sure this is one of Nichols unique exercises and not just Lane failing to skate backwards footage.

He clearly failed miserably as this was about skating backwards from a stop and and required a crossover after the initial jump, If you watch Lane during the season on the very rare occasion that he tried the back crossover he either aborted and stumbled like he did in the video or he flat out fell.

 

[Skip Bayless]

you either have a 0 too many or missing an emoji IMO

Sadly no. I'm sorry.

 

[Andrei79]

He clearly failed miserably as this was about skating backwards from a stop and and required a crossover after the initial jump, If you watch Lane during the season on the very rare occasion that he tried the back crossover he either aborted and stumbled like he did in the video or he flat out fell.

I seem to remember the exercise was actually the opposite i.e. to not do the crossover and just use the edge from the inside foot.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I did post this . That he fell draft, more for skating, and not for his
height.

%The detail in this case, is that you are saying that he needs
to overcome, his shortcomings at skating backwards. I think
that won't matter. He is a level of talent, that may change the
game, if it works for him..
As to you, using insults to me. That's useful. It helps me
measure you as a person.

I was describing your behaviour and approach which was dismissive and did not attempt to even offer a solution. When you question a person's opinion through mockery and don't engage on the actual issue in a meaningful manner then don't expect to be treated as an equal contributor to the conversation.

You began this interaction with insulting behaviour and you came back with an actual insult. If you don't like getting slapped then don't throw the first shot.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I seem to remember the exercise was actually the opposite i.e. to not do the crossover and just use the edge from the inside foot.

Yes it absolutely was but a crossover was required after the initial push as Lane, at least it appeared to be required as Lane did exactly what he normally does when he tries it.

Ultimately it is not that important whether the continuation of the movement required the cross, it is how incredibly uncomfortable he is trying to skate backwards. It isn't like this video is an outlier and he showed that he could do it in the following season or had showed it previously. His avoidance and inability to attempt/complete back crossovers is so blatantly obvious that I really can't understand why fans just can't admit the truth as you can not defend in the NHL without learning how to do this.

Most NHL forwards are not proficient at this skill either and I am sure there are many who can't do it so this is likely not a huge issue as it is just a skill that he will need to learn and he has the time and work ethic to do just that.

 

[bcv]

I was describing your behaviour and approach which was dismissive and did not attempt to even offer a solution. When you question a person's opinion through mockery and don't engage on the actual issue in a meaningful manner then don't expect to be treated as an equal contributor to the conversation.

You began this interaction with insulting behaviour and you came back with an actual insult. If you don't like getting slapped then don't throw the first shot.

lmao this coming from you is rich.

Looking forward to you calling me a beta or whatever.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yes it was and they were using Lane as someone to set examples for the rest of the players because he was picking the drills up the quickest.

Lol and to think the guy who posted this is often claiming we rubes know nothing, we're not in the know like he is. Aaaand this.

My god, the irony is killing me

 

[Naslundforever]

Yes it absolutely was but a crossover was required after the initial push as Lane, at least it appeared to be required as Lane did exactly what he normally does when he tries it.

Ultimately it is not that important whether the continuation of the movement required the cross, it is how incredibly uncomfortable he is trying to skate backwards. It isn't like this video is an outlier and he showed that he could do it in the following season or had showed it previously. His avoidance and inability to attempt/complete back crossovers is so blatantly obvious that I really can't understand why fans just can't admit the truth as you can not defend in the NHL without learning how to do this.

Most NHL forwards are not proficient at this skill either and I am sure there are many who can't do it so this is likely not a huge issue as it is just a skill that he will need to learn and he has the time and work ethic to do just that.

It was the first vid I saw of him and my first impression after hearing he had a growth thing too… ouch

I really hope he makes it big time; it’ll feel like when someone sings on those tv shows and you thought they would suck but you end up crying hoping the gf doesn’t see you.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

lmao this coming from you is rich.

Looking forward to you calling me a beta or whatever.

And have I ever called you a beta....? I referred to the guys on the fake scouting sites.

If you are interested in the facts then read my post. It wasn't that he was just dismissive it was that he didn't offer anything as a rebuttal. Being dismissive on its own is pointless.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I hate this logic as it is commonly used by people who are wrong and refuse to address the details, instead reverting to making broad generalizations and asking how the original premise could be true without actually providing an opinion.

Lane Hutson struggles mightily with skating backwards, that has been accepted as common fact even by his strongest supporters who I happen to be one of. Go back and watch the film instead of playing punch and duck with vague rebuttals, take notice of him almost always skating opposite to his partner and only turning into a back skate glide but almost never attempting a back crossover.



Now you show me video of him completing back crossovers.

This might be one of the most unintentional funniest posts I've ever seen.

Go watch a u13aaa practice. They can all do backwards crossovers.

Hutson might not be proficient in backwards skating, but to suggest that an elite college level hockey player CAN'T do backwards crossovers?

Unless of course I missed the joke, in that case I apologize and salute you for your wit.

 

[Andrei79]

This might be one of the most unintentional funniest posts I've ever seen.

Go watch a u13aaa practice. They can all do backwards crossovers.

Hutson might not be proficient in backwards skating, but to suggest that an elite college level hockey player CAN'T do backwards crossovers?

Unless of course I missed the joke, in that case I apologize and salute you for your wit.

I've seen Hutson do them multiple times. He lacks power though which affects his speed against forwards, making him favor pivoting, but it should get better as he gets stronger. Everybody playing at this level can do them, especially defensemen.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This might be one of the most unintentional funniest posts I've ever seen.

Go watch a u13aaa practice. They can all do backwards crossovers.

Hutson might not be proficient in backwards skating, but to suggest that an elite college level hockey player CAN'T do backwards crossovers?

Unless of course I missed the joke, in that case I apologize and salute you for your wit.

Great argument......once again not addressing the actual player with visual proof and resorting to generic non sequiturs. He has clearly not demonstrated that he can do it at all in game situations and that is all that we are talking about. I have watched him fall and/or stumble when attempting to do so, so clearly the issue is not merely a proficiency issue.

I have played and coached at the AAA level so yes I am aware of how many kids can do backwards crossovers but you are wrong in saying that all of them can do it, especially in game situations. I have also said on many occasions that it is incredibly rare to see this in a top D prospect. That is the thing about things that are incredibly rare my friend, pointing out that most people can d something does not address the issue of the rare one who can not.

I have recently seen Lane complete a single crossover but he quickly reverted to forward skating. There is no doubt in my mind that he is actively working on it and there is no doubt in my mind that he will eventually master it so if you find objective observation funny then I am happy to humour you.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Great argument......once again not addressing the actual player with visual proof and resorting to generic non sequiturs. He has clearly not demonstrated that he can do it at all in game situations and that is all that we are talking about. I have watched him fall and/or stumble when attempting to do so, so clearly the issue is not merely a proficiency issue.

I have played and coached at the AAA level so yes I am aware of how many kids can do backwards crossovers but you are wrong in saying that all of them can do it, especially in game situations. I have also said on many occasions that it is incredibly rare to see this in a top D prospect. That is the thing about things that are incredibly rare my friend, pointing out that most people can d something does not address the issue of the rare one who can not.

I have recently seen Lane complete a single crossover but he quickly reverted to forward skating. There is no doubt in my mind that he is actively working on it and there is no doubt in my mind that he will eventually master it so if you find objective observation funny then I am happy to humour you.

You posted a small clip of an awkward skating drill (the player at the top in the red also "couldn't" do crossovers...weird coincidence) suggesting that not only that hutson couldn't do a single backwards crossover, but that he was cheating his way through the drill just to complete it, much like the kids on my son's u11 tier 4 team do on actual backwards crossover drills.

If that is that type of objective observation you provide, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing more of it. And yes I think it's hilarious.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

You posted a small clip of an awkward skating drill (the player at the top in the red also "couldn't" do crossovers...weird coincidence) suggesting that not only that hutson couldn't do a single backwards crossover, but that he was cheating his way through the drill just to complete it, much like the kids on my son's u11 tier 4 team do on actual backwards crossover drills.

If that is that type of objective observation you provide, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing more of it. And yes I think it's hilarious.

I am not sure what your issue is but I am talking about game situation where I am sure he could do a terrible crossover in practice like some 11 year olds can do.

Clearly you are unable but more likely unwilling to be objective and actually show me your vast archive of Lane successfully using back crossovers and not just one but remaining in that posture while backskating while defending an attacker. Enough of your childish agenda and produce some evidence.

Lane clearly chose at a young age to not continue with learning this technique because he was so slow and needed to remain in a forward skating position without having to pivot in order to keep up. I have seen exactly the same thing from AAA kids who we forced to learn how to defend properly, but please do share your experience as a casual on looker.

 

[Jack Skellington]

Great argument......once again not addressing the actual player with visual proof and resorting to generic non sequiturs. He has clearly not demonstrated that he can do it at all in game situations and that is all that we are talking about. I have watched him fall and/or stumble when attempting to do so, so clearly the issue is not merely a proficiency issue.

I have played and coached at the AAA level so yes I am aware of how many kids can do backwards crossovers but you are wrong in saying that all of them can do it, especially in game situations. I have also said on many occasions that it is incredibly rare to see this in a top D prospect. That is the thing about things that are incredibly rare my friend, pointing out that most people can d something does not address the issue of the rare one who can not.

I have recently seen Lane complete a single crossover but he quickly reverted to forward skating. There is no doubt in my mind that he is actively working on it and there is no doubt in my mind that he will eventually master it so if you find objective observation funny then I am happy to humour you.

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[Estimated_Prophet]

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He completed two poor crossovers that generated almost no speed at all, that is still the best that I have ever seen from him but you could clearly see him angling to side skate if the attacker came anywhere near him. I am not surprised to see him do it as I have not watched every game but I still have yet to see him stay in that posture and defend an attacker while back skating.

This is becoming ridiculous as some of you would simply prefer believing the things that make you feel safe rather than the actual facts.

Lane himself clearly does not have confidence in this ability seeing as he puts himself in terrible defensive predicaments at times instead of performing back crossovers and staying square to the shooter.

I said earlier that he obviously works on it in practice and that he will eventually master it, but you and a couple others are more interested in attacking me than actually admitting that the kid has a serious problem with back skating.

 

[tooji]

Great argument......once again not addressing the actual player with visual proof and resorting to generic non sequiturs. He has clearly not demonstrated that he can do it at all in game situations and that is all that we are talking about. I have watched him fall and/or stumble when attempting to do so, so clearly the issue is not merely a proficiency issue.

I have played and coached at the AAA level so yes I am aware of how many kids can do backwards crossovers but you are wrong in saying that all of them can do it, especially in game situations. I have also said on many occasions that it is incredibly rare to see this in a top D prospect. That is the thing about things that are incredibly rare my friend, pointing out that most people can d something does not address the issue of the rare one who can not.

I have recently seen Lane complete a single crossover but he quickly reverted to forward skating. There is no doubt in my mind that he is actively working on it and there is no doubt in my mind that he will eventually master it so if you find objective observation funny then I am happy to humour you.

usndtp teaches defensemen to pivot and skate forward I shit you not

 

[Frank Drebin]

I am not sure what your issue is but I am talking about game situation where I am sure he could do a terrible crossover in practice like some 11 year olds can do.

Clearly you are unable but more likely unwilling to be objective and actually show me your vast archive of Lane successfully using back crossovers and not just one but remaining in that posture while backskating while defending an attacker. Enough of your childish agenda and produce some evidence.

Lane clearly chose at a young age to not continue with learning this technique because he was so slow and needed to remain in a forward skating position without having to pivot in order to keep up. I have seen exactly the same thing from AAA kids who we forced to learn how to defend properly, but please do share your experience as a casual on looker.

Like I said, I'm sure he's weak with his backwards skating, like you said he doesn't often do backwards crossovers in games because of a lack of confidence and or ability to execute them at game speed. Not trying to debate that at all.

You posted a clip suggesting that he could not do them at all and looked as awkward as a house league 10 year old trying to.

It was unintentionally very funny, to suggest that a second round draft pick, who plays defense, hasn't practiced backwards crossovers in his 15 or so years on the ice to be able to execute them for a drill in practice.

 

[Jack Skellington]

He completed two poor crossovers that generated almost no speed at all, that is still the best that I have ever seen from him but you could clearly see him angling to side skate if the attacker came anywhere near him. I am not surprised to see him do it as I have not watched every game but I still have yet to see him stay in that posture and defend an attacker while back skating.

This is becoming ridiculous as some of you would simply prefer believing the things that make you feel safe rather than the actual facts.

Lane himself clearly does not have confidence in this ability seeing as he puts himself in terrible defensive predicaments at times instead of performing back crossovers and staying square to the shooter.

I said earlier that he obviously works on it in practice and that he will eventually master it, but you and a couple others are more interested in attacking me than actually admitting that the kid has a serious problem with back skating.

Obviously hes not good at it as he opts to pivot 95 percent of the time. He’s actually quite good in the NCAA at defending the rush despite this. You’re the one who said “Now you show me video of him completing back crossovers.” as if to imply that he literally could not do one. He doesn’t use them to defend, I’ll give you that. He uses them quite often moving laterally and for general mobility but he’s clearly not confident enough to attempt to match speed with an attacker.

 

[Frank Drebin]

@Estimated_Prophet

I apologize. I went back and re read your post, you didn't suggest what I interpreted from it.

 

[bcv]

And have I ever called you a beta....? I referred to the guys on the fake scouting sites.

If you are interested in the facts then read my post. It wasn't that he was just dismissive it was that he didn't offer anything as a rebuttal. Being dismissive on its own is pointless.

I read most your posts, they’re usually filled with more knowledge than I have but surely you know you have an holier than thou attitude around here

 

[Garnet76]

I seem to remember the exercise was actually the opposite i.e. to not do the crossover and just use the edge from the inside foot.

This is how I see this video too. Has nothing to do with cross overs. It's a shuffle exercise using your edge.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I read most your posts, they’re usually filled with more knowledge than I have but surely you know you have an holier than thou attitude around here

I admit that my delivery was easily interpreted as being condescending mostly through ad hominem remarks. For a while now I have made a conscious effort to put in the extra time to explain my stance and try to focus solely on the topic instead of dismissing an entire group.

The problem is there are posters on here that have consistently attacked me for just making observations that they don't agree with and truth's they prefer to ignore. If they would just stick to debating the topic instead of the personal attacks you would never have witnessed any poor behavior on my part. This doesn't pardon my choice of words at times but it is not in my nature to talk down to someone who hasn't either done so to me first or parrotted the opinion of someone who has.

I spent covid arguing with anti vaxers including physical altercations as well as freedumb convoy zealots and perhaps witnessing similar attacks on here triggered me more than most.

I have an extensive ignore list that just grew a little more tonight which is unfortunate as I like to hear all sides of a rational debate but sometimes you have to cut off the extremes and the people who are just there for the argument and not to learn or find common ground or admit when they are wrong. I have learned plenty over the 20 + years on this board from many posters not the least of which is to try and treat people more like I would in real life. I am just not accustomed to someone following me around in real life and taking an unhealthy personal interest in me .....that wouldn't end well for anyone involved lol.

Please feel free to call me out if you think I am being condescending (privately would be preferred) as I welcome rational audits on my interactions.

Do me a favor and wipe the slate as I am trying to do better.

Cheers

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

idk how you guys have the energy

can we fast forward to October already

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This is how I see this video too. Has nothing to do with cross overs. It's a shuffle exercise using your edge.

The drill is obviously focused on the initial push but he made the same stumble that he has made at points during the season when he tried to initiate a crossover. Without seeing the full drill with other players it is difficult to say whether Nicholas wanted him to cross over, stop, then push from a stop again. I would have the player execute a crossover but perhaps he integrated that at a later time.

My main initial concern was not with the crossover anyways it was with his clear level of discomfort with anything moving backwards. I was already aware of this issue and was not encouraged to see that it was a real problem at camp after a summer of training.

Anyways....the kid is a stud and will be fine. My concerns about him not growing appear to be misguided and I consider the skating issue to be far more likely a speed bump than a road block.