Player Discussion Lane Hutson Part 2

[Tyson]

Top 5 talent is the exact same thing as saying that he should have been drafted in that area. Size, Strength, Speed are all ingredients that go into determining overall talent.

If you want to say that he has top 5 offensive skills then that would be a statement that could actually be debated. The dumbest thing that fans consistently say (not you) is "if he was; insert height/weight, he would have gone so much higher" as though that has any meaning whatsoever and makes him a better player lol. For every little guy like Hutson who works out there are far more who do not yet these fans will anecdotally point to their go to examples and present them as the norm despite the overwhelming evidence on the other side of the debate.

I wanted us to pick him exactly where we got him because of the offensive upside and it worked out. Of course there will be those who will claim that they knew he would be great and wanted him with our 2nd first of 2022 but they are not sharing all of the times that they were wrong.

Anyways...Lane still has plenty to prove but I believe that he will be a big time offensive producer. Hopefully his intelligence and combativeness will advance his defensive game to the point where it is passable in the NHL.

Yeah ok. I don't need 9 paragraphs to make my point. He is as talented skill wise as any player chosen in the 2022 draft.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If you grade him individually on each attribute he does not sniff the top 5, if you are referring to puck skill and offensive IQ I am in total agreement that he is at least top 5 and maybe even #1. Unfortunately the latter of these two scenarios does not equate to "talent" but much closer to "skill" and these two words are not synonymous.

Honestly though… does it matter? The whole is greater than the sum of the parts here.

I don’t care if he’s not the biggest or if he’s not the best skater. I care about the outcomes when he’s on the ice.

He crushed records in the NCAA and has looked flat out awesome. Let’s just see how this plays out. He looks like the real deal and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he wins the Calder this year.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

He is as talented as any player chosen in 2022.

except maybe Shane Wright…..just ask him, lol.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Yeah ok. I don't need 9 paragraphs to make my point. He is as talented skill wise as any player chosen in the 2022 draft.

I am sorry that you are allergic to context....perhaps twitter is more suited for the type of responses that you desire. Why even start with such a petty statement? Just acknowledge that perhaps semantics was the issue and move on. I think we agree more than we do not and I will always provide context to my replies rather than having to throw out a dozen replies to different posters who misunderstand/misinteperet my posts.

I agree that his puck skills are as good as any player in the draft.

Now we can be friends again...

 

[Tyson]

I am sorry that you are allergic to context....perhaps twitter is more suited for the type of responses that you desire. Why even start with such a petty statement? Just acknowledge that perhaps semantics was the issue and move on. I think we agree more than we do not and I will always provide context to my replies rather than having to throw out a dozen replies to different posters who misunderstand/misinteperet my posts.

I agree that his puck skills are as good as any player in the draft.

Now we can be friends again...

Keep the context coming! In this case I felt my point was pretty clear and I stand by the fact that his talent is as good as any player taken in the 22 draft. Yes we can be friends again

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Keep the context coming! In this case I felt my point was pretty clear and I stand by the fact that his talent is as good as any player taken in the 22 draft. Yes we can be friends again

I accept this friendship!

Friendship is an interesting term that can mean different........jk

 

[Andrei79]

The was no triggered response.

I provided context to a statement that was at the very best misworded.....it is you who is again triggered as you are every time someone mentions that Hutson may not be the next Bobby Orr even if they exude praise on parts of his game that deserve it,

This is a message board and not an echo chamber so that begs the question. Why post on a message board when you are not willing to accept anything other than echo chamber narratives that you can discuss in your own head?

This post is easily disproven as you'll struggle to find these triggered posts of mine you're alluding to. There's no need to project here. For some reason, this prospect and the way he's understandably hyped by fans online bothers you. Just enjoy the ride man, he's one of the most fun players we've ever had coming up. This shouldn't make someone angry.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This post is easily disproven as you'll struggle to find these triggered posts of mine you're alluding to. There's no need to project here. For some reason, this prospect and the way he's understandably hyped by fans online bothers you. Just enjoy the ride man, he's one of the most fun players we've ever had coming up. This shouldn't make someone angry.

Every time I speak about Hutson you get triggered and act as though it is a personal attack on you.....seriously, stop replying to me if it is just going to be the same thing over and over.

The truth isn't always as you want it to be and I point it out.

 

[Andrei79]

Every time I speak about Hutson you get triggered and act as though it is a personal attack on you.....seriously, stop replying to me if it is just going to be the same thing over and over.

The truth isn't always as you want it to be and I point it out.

Nobody's out to get you. It just seems that his overhype triggers you. It seems that way, but it could be that it doesn't and I'm misinterpreting. It's fine either way. Bringing up points about his physical limitations and skating is good discussion, as they're legitimate points.

 

[Vachon23]

Still a little bit concern about his speed and I think sometimes he tries to do to much with the puck what he won’t be able to do in the NHL, but when he has the puck in the Ozone, he’s Markov 2.0. Can find anybody on the ice and create offensive chances like not a lot of players can

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Nobody's out to get you. It just seems that his overhype triggers you. It seems that way, but it could be that it doesn't and I'm misinterpreting. It's fine either way. Bringing up points about his physical limitations and skating is good discussion, as they're legitimate points.

Thank you

 

[Miller Time]

Still a little bit concern about his speed and I think sometimes he tries to do to much with the puck what he won’t be able to do in the NHL, but when he has the puck in the Ozone, he’s Markov 2.0. Can find anybody on the ice and create offensive chances like not a lot of players can

I think that's a fair assessment... And, watching him at 4 levels (NCAA, WJC, NHL, AHL/prospect), what I see is the mix of moxie and capacity to make opponents commit and then exploit them to create space & attack lanes to the net (passing or shooting).

He'll occasionally get caught, and being small and not an elite skater, it'll be hard to recover... But at every level I've seen him, the way he beats opponents is cerebral, not physical, and that very much can translate to the NHL as long as he keeps his physical abilities at the edge of their capacity & his technical skills at the upper tier of his peers, which he does via relentless work ethic, drive and coachability.

I think he's going to be an elite NHLer, barring career altering injury. He's got that dog in him

 

[Zalos]

There are plenty of reasons to be hopeful and that can not be denied.

I did not say that I am expecting them to turn into a playoff team which is something that you could critique but "hope" is an entirely different word than "expect".

It is likely that Slafkovsky will be better this season and he was on nearly a ppg pace over the final 40 games therefore it would not be unreasonable to expect him to come close to 70 points but I hope that he score 80+. Both "hope" and "expect" are solidly grounded in evidence yet have little relation with one another.

Laine was a ppg player with Columbus over his final two seasons previous to entering the program this past season and he did this without a playmaking center.

If Hutson breaks out it will be at the expense of Matheson's numbers and I am perfectly content with that.

To speak with cynicism about Slaf's ability to do someting that he has already proven to be capable of and then turn around and guarantee Hutson's meteoric rise to stardom is a blatant contradiction as you are not applying the same underlying principles to each scenario.

Teams who take massive steps historically do so due to internal progression from their own players and not necessarilly by trading although a trade or two doesn't hurt. This team has all of the ingredients to potentially take the league by surprise and this can not be objectively debated. We can however debate the likelihood of it actually happening.

I see a combination of Carolina and New Jersey when they surprised everyone. Hopefully we can stay healthy and take a big step forward as another year of finishing in the bottom five might start to bear seeds of doubt in the young core and is not what any fan should be hoping for. If we finish bottom 5 it will be because we have sustained serious injuries and/or our youngsters have not progressed and to wish for that is crazy imo.

The difference between Hutson and Slaf is that it's apparent to the eye that Lane is a breakthrough, unique player. Slaf doesn't look particularly special, aside from his size. He had success for a few months playing with the best players on the team. It will take one or two full seasons of that for me to think he's a first line player.

I hope Laine turns it around, but with him it seems like the issue is more mental than anything else. We've had our share of talented players who were disappointing because they couldn't get over those mental hurdles. I guess time will tell.

Both Matheson and Hutson could accumulate a good amount of points. The Habs wouldn't be the first team in the league to have two offensive minded d-men who produce many points.

And, yea, it can be objectively debated that this team isn't going to take the league by storm. We've been sitting comfortably at the bottom for a few years now. Until the proof is in the pudding, I'll be quite skeptical.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Why post in this thread if it triggers you so much ? There is no world where Hutson wasn't a top 5 talent in 2022. The issue was always his size, not his talent. At 6'2", he goes 1st OA.

Howdy!

That would make a great nickname for Lane... Trigger Hutson!

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The difference between Hutson and Slaf is that it's apparent to the eye that Lane is a breakthrough, unique player. Slaf doesn't look particularly special, aside from his size. He had success for a few months playing with the best players on the team. It will take one or two full seasons of that for me to think he's a first line player.

I hope Laine turns it around, but with him it seems like the issue is more mental than anything else. We've had our share of talented players who were disappointing because they couldn't get over those mental hurdles. I guess time will tell.

Both Matheson and Hutson could accumulate a good amount of points. The Habs wouldn't be the first team in the league to have two offensive minded d-men who produce many points.

And, yea, it can be objectively debated that this team isn't going to take the league by storm. We've been sitting comfortably at the bottom for a few years now. Until the proof is in the pudding, I'll be quite skeptical.

To say that Slaf doesn't look particularly special aside from his size is an asinine assertion and entirely discredits the rest of your post.

Do you think that a single GM would need to think more than a split second about who they would rather have between Slaf and Hutson? It would be 32 - 0 in Slaf's favour anf that is not a knock on Lane but Slaf is a much more important piece to any team.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Nobody's out to get you. It just seems that his overhype triggers you. It seems that way, but it could be that it doesn't and I'm misinterpreting. It's fine either way. Bringing up points about his physical limitations and skating is good discussion, as they're legitimate points.

No, you're not misinterpreting. He was literally triggered by people suggesting Lane had grown an inch or two, and calling them similar to antivaxers, even though there are studies showing half of kids grow at least one inch on average after 18yold.

Then it was the backskating. More triggered words thrown out by our resident triggerman.

Then it was Lane's 'monster' thighs being photoshopped, triggerland extraordinaire.

This week it's walls of text galore because Tyson simply said he's a top 5 talent in his draft.

Yeeeah... triggered.

I might have skipped a few episodes as I was on hiatus.

 

[Frankenheimer]

He's going to make a lot of posters in this thread look silly.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

No, you're not misinterpreting. He was literally triggered by people suggesting Lane had grown an inch or two, and calling them similar to antivaxers, even though there are studies showing half of kids grow at least one inch on average after 18yold.

Then it was the backskating. More triggered words thrown out by our resident triggerman.

Then it was Lane's 'monster' thighs being photoshopped, triggerland extraordinaire.

This week it's walls of text galore because Tyson simply said he's a top 5 talent in his draft.

Yeeeah... triggered.

I might have skipped a few episodes as I was on hiatus.

Always feel vindicated when I look at a thread of everyone replying to no-one on my end lol

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

To say that Slaf doesn't look particularly special aside from his size is an asinine assertion and entirely discredits the rest of your post.

Do you think that a single GM would need to think more than a split second about who they would rather have between Slaf and Hutson? It would be 32 - 0 in Slaf's favour anf that is not a knock on Lane but Slaf is a much more important piece to any team.

It very well could be 32 - 0 if you were to ask today. And I think most people here (myself included) would see Slaf as having more upside. But that doesn't mean that's how it's going to play out. Hutson has already demonstrated the ability to dominate over his peers at a level that isn't often seen. He's an intriguing player and could well outperform Slaf. It's not insane for anyone to believe this. I think he's got legit superstar potential.

It's one thing to say Slaf has more upside and is likely to outperform Hutson. It's a whole other thing to say he'll do it with the certainty you've given in your posts. 2nd rounder or not, size difference or not... Hutson has genuine star potential. He could well turn out to be our best player. Time will tell.

Btw, I have zero problem with somebody being skeptical about a player. That's all well and good. I just think you go overboard in how you paint this sometimes.

 

[Ozmodiar]

He's going to make a lot of posters in this thread look silly.

They already do.

Hutson’s a treat.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

So, did Lane got an assist on the Habs last goal ?

 

[KevSkillz4]

Seriously guys, Habs don't draft a electric forward like Michkov in 2023, but they have such a electric guy with Lane Hutson. I'm soo happy to have him with my favorite team. He is going to be such a creative offensive D-man for sure. He is going to put 55a++ and put goals aswell. He have great snipe.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

So, did Lane got an assist on the Habs last goal ?

yes

 

[OldCraig71]

I saw the replay of the big hit that he received today. Did he come back and play a regular shift after that?

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Yeah ok. I don't need 9 paragraphs to make my point. He is as talented skill wise as any player chosen in the 2022 draft.

I think what @Estimated_Prophet was trying to say was that he is a top five talent, but size doesn’t play a factor in talent- rather in player profile