Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[Xirik]

I just went back 3 pages and got bored but I know there's more.

1. Fatass isn't a Devils fan that I can tell from looking at his history

2. Lou is God post is more about the Devils depth then anything else, Lane would be battling for Luke Hughes spot which Hutson might be able to do but I wouldn't bet on it.

3. Headlice is a flyers fan via Michkov if I had to guess.



without Context I agree that 2. is a bit mean spirited.

 

[thefutures]

Who do you think would go before him in a redraft? Just curious!!

It's way to early to put him in top 10 imo he has played 15 games, that is enough to jump 45 spots? He could be easily top 10 in a few years but right now idk how one can say that without even seeing most of the players drafted before him in the NHL

I wasn't aware of that. I thought it was strictly a personal stats.

They're not far off. Probably closer to 10 but it's not an insane take to have to say that Hutson would be a top 10 pick in a re-draft.

I just disagree with the redraft stuff, I like what hutson has done but I want to see guys like Mateychuk and Rinzel in the pros. Do you think he is already better than Mintyukov?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson > L.Hughes/Nemec/Casey ainec

Fact

 

[dgibb10]

Let's just say EV - He doesn't play much PP or PK anyway, does he?

Yeah, the same stats that showed in one of the game where Montreal got absolutely destroyed that they only gave 6 high scoring danger chances and only 3 giveaways when they gave more than that in the first 5 minutes of the game. I remember even the commentator laughing about it halfway through the game.

Wait, I thought it was a team-based stats while he was on the ice?

1-5, again because of the fact his team has had, again, a 1.4% on ice shooting%.

What game are you referring to? I'm happy to check the numbers for it. Also I think you underestimate how much 6 high danger chances against is through a portion of a game.

 

[Xirik]

It's way to early to put him in top 10 imo he has played 15 games, that is enough to jump 45 spots? He could be easily top 10 in a few years but right now idk how one can say that without even seeing most of the players drafted before him in the NHL


I just disagree with the redraft stuff, I like what hutson has done but I want to see guys like Mateychuk and Rinzel in the pros. Do you think he is already better than Mintyukov?

I agree. only 6 players from that draft have played over 30 games. It's way to early to judge the draft.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

It's way to early to put him in top 10 imo he has played 15 games, that is enough to jump 45 spots? He could be easily top 10 in a few years but right now idk how one can say that without even seeing most of the players drafted before him in the NHL


I just disagree with the redraft stuff, I like what hutson has done but I want to see guys like Mateychuk and Rinzel in the pros. Do you think he is already better than Mintyukov?

Too early to tell for a redraft yeah, but I couldn't believe he fell where he did. I had him at 10 predraft and in my eyes he's only climbed from there.

 

[bud12]

It's way to early to put him in top 10 imo he has played 15 games, that is enough to jump 45 spots? He could be easily top 10 in a few years but right now idk how one can say that without even seeing most of the players drafted before him in the NHL

It's not just about the 18 games he played. You are 2 years after the draft. With what we saw and what we know during those 2years, what would be your redraft?

 

[thefutures]

It's not just about the 18 games he played. You are 2 years after the draft. With what we saw and what we know during those 2years, what would be your redraft?

There is no redraft, it's 2 years post draft we have very little info, idk how to say it any more clearly to you bud.

 

[Xirik]

Too early to tell for a redraft yeah, but I couldn't believe he fell where he did. I had him at 10 predraft and in my eyes he's only climbed from there.

Definitely. Some teams are still stuck in the "only big boys allowed" mindset and miss quality players because of it.

I can though understand small players falling slightly because you don't want a team full of them.

 

[thefutures]

Too early to tell for a redraft yeah, but I couldn't believe he fell where he did. I had him at 10 predraft and in my eyes he's only climbed from there.

That makes more sense, if you already had him as a lotto pick

 

[mphmiles]

Yes, Luke has gotten quite unlucky with a ridiculously low 1.4% on ice shooting %. You talk about Hutson's teammates being unable to finish for him, when the reality is Luke's teammates are the ones who have been unable to bury a puck.


Mo Seider was around 47%, Hutson is around 39%.

Seider was at 45.7 over a 3 year span from 2021-2024

Hutson is at 41.2 his rookie season on a significantly worse defensive team than any of Seider's.

 

[waffledave]

Why are devils fans so obsessed with us. We don't even have a rivalry. Weird.

 

[bud12]

There is no redraft, it's 2 years post draft we have very little info, idk how to say it any more clearly to you bud.

So you shit on people who put him in their top 10 in a redraft but can't name 10 players who you think should go before him?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Only one of those posters is a NJ fan. Beyond that, people speak for themselves. "NJ fans" as some sort of big group don't have a conspiracy against Hutson. I'm sure there are a few overly harsh critics as there are for most young players (like someone revenge criticizing Luke Hughes to try to make a point) but the argument is kept up by a handful of posters at most.

I understand. So it's ok and valid to criticize Hutson for X or Y but if we dare say something bad about Luke then it's called revenge criticizing?

 

[thefutures]

So you shit on people who put him in their top 10 in a redraft but can't name 10 players who you think should go before him?

Lol. Using your logic and hopefully you are consistent, where does David Reinbacher fall in a redraft for 2023? Based on what we know since that draft which isn't much? Some could argue he is a mid to late 1st rounder just cause some guys have had 1 good year of development and he hasn't. Would you agree with that or would you want to see more? I didn't shit on anyone, I think you might be a bit slow at understanding what my point was.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I was confused about why there was a 55 page thread about Lane Hutson, and looking at his stats more, I understand it even less

Like he's certainly not bad, any defenseman playing those minutes at age 20 is super impressive. But he's at a -1.99% xGF%Rel and 1.22 5v5 points/60, which is pretty nondescript. He has good defensive metrics and is playing tough minutes, which would be 2 concerns I'd have about him as an outsider looking at his size. But still, not really this incredible performance that warrants a 55 page thread.

 

[Baksfamous112]

1. Fatass isn't a Devils fan that I can tell from looking at his history

2. Lou is God post is more about the Devils depth then anything else, Lane would be battling for Luke Hughes spot which Hutson might be able to do but I wouldn't bet on it.

3. Headlice is a flyers fan via Michkov if I had to guess.



without Context I agree that 2. is a bit mean spirited.

I mean, you asked for examples and I brought them without going too far behind in this thread. Whether they are Devils fans or not is kinda irrelevant. It's been said multiple times in this thread.

It's way to early to put him in top 10 imo he has played 15 games, that is enough to jump 45 spots? He could be easily top 10 in a few years but right now idk how one can say that without even seeing most of the players drafted before him in the NHL


I just disagree with the redraft stuff, I like what hutson has done but I want to see guys like Mateychuk and Rinzel in the pros. Do you think he is already better than Mintyukov?

I mean, would Wright, Jiricek, Savoie, Casper and Korchinski all be in the top 10? Maybe half would? I don't know about Mintyukov but I do know he's ahead of Mateychuk and Rinzel. I don't think that's very close.

1-5, again because of the fact his team has had, again, a 1.4% on ice shooting%.

What game are you referring to? I'm happy to check the numbers for it. Also I think you underestimate how much 6 high danger chances against is through a portion of a game.

So if Hutson was 1-5 at EV through 10 games instead of 13-14 (with 4 empty netter) would you say he's been doing good if he had a 52% xGF on a contender team? be honest.

On the flip side, if Luke was 13-14 at EV with 4 empty netter on a basement dweller would you say he's doing good?

Lol. Using your logic and hopefully you are consistent, where does David Reinbacher fall in a redraft for 2023? Based on what we know since that draft which isn't much? Some could argue he is a mid to late 1st rounder just cause some guys have had 1 good year of development and he hasn't. Would you agree with that or would you want to see more? I didn't shit on anyone, I think you might be a bit slow at understanding what my point was.

Probably outside the top 10. However, Hutson and co are in their D+3 and we got a much better picture of who is and who isn't worthy of a top 10 pick.

 

[thefutures]

I mean, you asked for examples and I brought them without going too far behind in this thread. Whether they are Devils fans or not is kinda irrelevant. It's been said multiple times in this thread.

I mean, would Wright, Jiricek, Savoie, Casper and Korchinski all be in the top 10? Maybe half would? I don't know about Mintyukov but I do know he's ahead of Mateychuk and Rinzel. I don't think that's very close.

So if Hutson was 1-5 at EV through 10 games instead of 13-14 (with 4 empty netter) would you say he's been doing good if he had a 52% xGF on a contender team? be honest.

On the flip side, if Luke was 13-14 at EV with 4 empty netter on a basement dweller would you say he's doing good?


Probably outside the top 10. However, Hutson and co are in their D+3 and we got a much better picture of who is and who isn't worthy of a top 10 pick.

The drafts are 1 year apart, no reason we can't redraft 2023 if we're doing 2022. And no chance DR goes top 10 using the logic the other guy is using. Which could be wrong and short sighted based on limited info.

 

[Xirik]

I mean, you asked for examples and I brought them without going too far behind in this thread. Whether they are Devils fans or not is kinda irrelevant.

You tell me.

Hutson is playing 25 minutes a night against top competition, no PP1 while Montreal is clearly better when he’s on the ice then when he’s not and you’ve got Devils fans coming in telling us how he should be playing in the AHL

 

[Baksfamous112]

The drafts are 1 year apart, no reason we can't redraft 2023 if we're doing 2022. And no chance DR goes top 10 using the logic the other guy is using. Which could be wrong and short sighted based on limited info.

You're not wrong about DR. The only real sample size we have of him is his 11 games stint at the of the year in the AHL, which he did pretty good. Other than that, there's nothing to really to show for. In the redraft he probably goes somewhere between 10-16.

But you're wrong on the other thing. You can certainly redraft 2023 if you want to but you've got a whole year of development that 2022 got that 2023 still hasn't done. It's much easier to predict who's going to be the top dogs from the 2022 draft rather than the 2023 draft.

Things might change. You'll have risers and some prospects who did very well will disappoint but in D+3 you have a pretty good idea of the kind of player you've got. 2023 is still up in the air but it's getting clearer and clearer.

I wasn't wrong though, was I?

Edit: Maybe irrelevant wasn't the best choice of words.

 

[Xirik]

You're not wrong about DR. The only real sample size we have of him is his 11 games stint at the of the year in the AHL, which he did pretty good. Other than that, there's nothing to really to show for. In the redraft he probably goes somewhere between 10-16.

But you're wrong on the other thing. You can certainly redraft 2023 if you want to but you've got a whole year of development that 2022 got that 2023 still hasn't done. It's much easier to predict who's going to be the top dogs from the 2022 draft rather than the 2023 draft.

Things might change. You'll have risers and some prospects who did very well will disappoint but in D+3 you have a pretty good idea of the kind of player you've got. 2023 is still up in the air but it's getting clearer and clearer.


I wasn't wrong though, was I?

Edit: Maybe irrelevant wasn't the best choice of words.

You are wrong.

You said Fans, as in the plural of fan.

You found one fan.

Maybe stop making mountains out of molehills?

 

[My3Sons]

I understand. So it's ok and valid to criticize Hutson for X or Y but if we dare say something bad about Luke then it's called revenge criticizing?

Criticize Luke all you want. It just comes across as petty revenge the way you are doing it. You won't get your point across talking past someone and if it's just "he sucks" it's not very persuasive. If there is something he does or does not do that you find subpar that's fine, but be more specific than gneralized "he's bad at defense" to have a real discussion. Smearing an entire fanbase rather than just limiting it to the posters you disagree with is also poor form.

 

[Baksfamous112]

You are wrong.

You said Fans, as in the plural of fan.

You found one fan.

Maybe stop making mountains out of molehills?

Ok so I found one in three pages. No more plurials. I hope you’re feeling better now

Criticize Luke all you want. It just comes across .

as petty revenge the way you are doing it. You won't get your point across talking past someone and if it's just "he sucks" it's not very persuasive. If there is something he does or does not do that you find subpar that's fine, but be more specific than gneralized "he's bad at defense" to have a real discussion. Smearing an entire fanbase rather than just limiting it to the posters you disagree with is also poor form.

Have you read the thread or just talking out of your ass? I’ve been quite specifics with why I think Luke has been pretty bad this year.

You want to talk about pettiness? Look no further than your fellow Devils fans who are in every single Habs thread « revenge posting » since last year where they called Nemec and Hughes first pairing D while Guhle was at best a top 4 « but still progressing » and how Habs fans were so delusional to think any of their D would be better than the two.


Fast forward a year, Nemec is in the AHL and Luke has 1 point in 10 games and rocking a -4 on a +16 diff team while playing heavily sheltered minutes. Now the same clowns are coming in yet another Habs thread to dump on Hutson and tell us how good Hughes is and how incredibly unlucky he’s been so far this year so please don’t come in here and play the victim and act like we’re the ones gaslighting Devils fans.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Why are devils fans so obsessed with us. We don't even have a rivalry. Weird.

Probably insecure I guess

You are wrong.

You said Fans, as in the plural of fan.

You found one fan.

Maybe stop making mountains out of molehills?

Lol it's not like Dgibb10 and yourself ain't in this thread just for trolling, right?

 

[dgibb10]

I mean, you asked for examples and I brought them without going too far behind in this thread. Whether they are Devils fans or not is kinda irrelevant. It's been said multiple times in this thread.

I mean, would Wright, Jiricek, Savoie, Casper and Korchinski all be in the top 10? Maybe half would? I don't know about Mintyukov but I do know he's ahead of Mateychuk and Rinzel. I don't think that's very close.

So if Hutson was 1-5 at EV through 10 games instead of 13-14 (with 4 empty netter) would you say he's been doing good if he had a 52% xGF on a contender team? be honest.

On the flip side, if Luke was 13-14 at EV with 4 empty netter on a basement dweller would you say he's doing good?

If Luke was sub 40% xGoals share I would be incredibly critical of him.

Or if you want an actual real life example, Seamus Casey, who had great box score stats, had a real goals share of 3-1, but was getting caved in and who I wanted out of the lineup along with Nemec asap.

(frankly a great comparable for hutson as another 2022 2nd round pick who's undersized and produced a ton in college and who have had great shooting luck and counting stats but bad analytics)

He was getting caved in analytically but had nice counting stats and bailed out by PDO (read shooting/goaltending).

When Luke and Pesce got caved in analytically in the game vs NYI, I was very critical of their play.

If Hutson was getting terrible shooting luck and winning his minutes, I would be full of praise for him.

Just like I am full of praise for Jake Sanderson.

I like guys who win their minutes. I don't like guys who get significantly outshot and outchanced while on the ice.