Bouboumaster
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Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch
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1-5, again because of the fact his team has had, again, a 1.4% on ice shooting%.
What game are you referring to? I'm happy to check the numbers for it. Also I think you underestimate how much 6 high danger chances against is through a portion of a game.
I agree. only 6 players from that draft have played over 30 games. It's way to early to judge the draft.
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Too early to tell for a redraft yeah, but I couldn't believe he fell where he did. I had him at 10 predraft and in my eyes he's only climbed from there.
It's not just about the 18 games he played. You are 2 years after the draft. With what we saw and what we know during those 2years, what would be your redraft?
There is no redraft, it's 2 years post draft we have very little info, idk how to say it any more clearly to you bud.
Definitely. Some teams are still stuck in the "only big boys allowed" mindset and miss quality players because of it.
I can though understand small players falling slightly because you don't want a team full of them.
That makes more sense, if you already had him as a lotto pick
Seider was at 45.7 over a 3 year span from 2021-2024
Hutson is at 41.2 his rookie season on a significantly worse defensive team than any of Seider's.
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Why are devils fans so obsessed with us. We don't even have a rivalry. Weird.
So you shit on people who put him in their top 10 in a redraft but can't name 10 players who you think should go before him?
I understand. So it's ok and valid to criticize Hutson for X or Y but if we dare say something bad about Luke then it's called revenge criticizing?
Lol. Using your logic and hopefully you are consistent, where does David Reinbacher fall in a redraft for 2023? Based on what we know since that draft which isn't much? Some could argue he is a mid to late 1st rounder just cause some guys have had 1 good year of development and he hasn't. Would you agree with that or would you want to see more? I didn't shit on anyone, I think you might be a bit slow at understanding what my point was.
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I was confused about why there was a 55 page thread about Lane Hutson, and looking at his stats more, I understand it even less 
Like he's certainly not bad, any defenseman playing those minutes at age 20 is super impressive. But he's at a -1.99% xGF%Rel and 1.22 5v5 points/60, which is pretty nondescript. He has good defensive metrics and is playing tough minutes, which would be 2 concerns I'd have about him as an outsider looking at his size. But still, not really this incredible performance that warrants a 55 page thread.
Like he's certainly not bad, any defenseman playing those minutes at age 20 is super impressive. But he's at a -1.99% xGF%Rel and 1.22 5v5 points/60, which is pretty nondescript. He has good defensive metrics and is playing tough minutes, which would be 2 concerns I'd have about him as an outsider looking at his size. But still, not really this incredible performance that warrants a 55 page thread.
I mean, you asked for examples and I brought them without going too far behind in this thread. Whether they are Devils fans or not is kinda irrelevant. It's been said multiple times in this thread.
I mean, would Wright, Jiricek, Savoie, Casper and Korchinski all be in the top 10? Maybe half would? I don't know about Mintyukov but I do know he's ahead of Mateychuk and Rinzel. I don't think that's very close.
So if Hutson was 1-5 at EV through 10 games instead of 13-14 (with 4 empty netter) would you say he's been doing good if he had a 52% xGF on a contender team? be honest.
On the flip side, if Luke was 13-14 at EV with 4 empty netter on a basement dweller would you say he's doing good?
Probably outside the top 10. However, Hutson and co are in their D+3 and we got a much better picture of who is and who isn't worthy of a top 10 pick.
The drafts are 1 year apart, no reason we can't redraft 2023 if we're doing 2022. And no chance DR goes top 10 using the logic the other guy is using. Which could be wrong and short sighted based on limited info.
You're not wrong about DR. The only real sample size we have of him is his 11 games stint at the of the year in the AHL, which he did pretty good. Other than that, there's nothing to really to show for. In the redraft he probably goes somewhere between 10-16.
But you're wrong on the other thing. You can certainly redraft 2023 if you want to but you've got a whole year of development that 2022 got that 2023 still hasn't done. It's much easier to predict who's going to be the top dogs from the 2022 draft rather than the 2023 draft.
Things might change. You'll have risers and some prospects who did very well will disappoint but in D+3 you have a pretty good idea of the kind of player you've got. 2023 is still up in the air but it's getting clearer and clearer.
I wasn't wrong though, was I?
Edit: Maybe irrelevant wasn't the best choice of words.
You are wrong.
You said Fans, as in the plural of fan.
You found one fan.
Maybe stop making mountains out of molehills?
Criticize Luke all you want. It just comes across as petty revenge the way you are doing it. You won't get your point across talking past someone and if it's just "he sucks" it's not very persuasive. If there is something he does or does not do that you find subpar that's fine, but be more specific than gneralized "he's bad at defense" to have a real discussion. Smearing an entire fanbase rather than just limiting it to the posters you disagree with is also poor form.
Ok so I found one in three pages. No more plurials. I hope you’re feeling better now
Have you read the thread or just talking out of your ass? I’ve been quite specifics with why I think Luke has been pretty bad this year.
You want to talk about pettiness? Look no further than your fellow Devils fans who are in every single Habs thread « revenge posting » since last year where they called Nemec and Hughes first pairing D while Guhle was at best a top 4 « but still progressing » and how Habs fans were so delusional to think any of their D would be better than the two.
Fast forward a year, Nemec is in the AHL and Luke has 1 point in 10 games and rocking a -4 on a +16 diff team while playing heavily sheltered minutes. Now the same clowns are coming in yet another Habs thread to dump on Hutson and tell us how good Hughes is and how incredibly unlucky he’s been so far this year so please don’t come in here and play the victim and act like we’re the ones gaslighting Devils fans.
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Probably insecure I guess
Lol it's not like Dgibb10 and yourself ain't in this thread just for trolling, right?
If Luke was sub 40% xGoals share I would be incredibly critical of him.
Or if you want an actual real life example, Seamus Casey, who had great box score stats, had a real goals share of 3-1, but was getting caved in and who I wanted out of the lineup along with Nemec asap.
(frankly a great comparable for hutson as another 2022 2nd round pick who's undersized and produced a ton in college and who have had great shooting luck and counting stats but bad analytics)
He was getting caved in analytically but had nice counting stats and bailed out by PDO (read shooting/goaltending).
When Luke and Pesce got caved in analytically in the game vs NYI, I was very critical of their play.
If Hutson was getting terrible shooting luck and winning his minutes, I would be full of praise for him.
Just like I am full of praise for Jake Sanderson.
I like guys who win their minutes. I don't like guys who get significantly outshot and outchanced while on the ice.
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I really like both of them, I think their both going to be great for their respective teams and they're both a lot of fun to watch but genuine question, do people really think Hutson is better than Hughes currently?
Just watching the game last night you can see that Hughes is making huge steps defensively, he's been one of the devils best defensive defensemen for most of the games he's been back (yes, there have been a couple of meh games too). His issue has mainly been lack of offense but it looks like it's only a matter of time before that gets going, he's starting to push again if last game is anything to go by. Missing the preseason with a new coach/system/partner didn't help and having dislocated a shoulder myself it takes a while to feel confident in your shoulder again no matter how good your physios are, plus he came back ahead of schedule (I understand people are just going to say 'excuses excuses' but the reality is it can take a while with those types of injuries and missing the first 10% of the season/preseason is obviously going to impact on your game early on, it's ignorant to say it won't).
I don't really understand this whole Luke/Lane thing. Just appreciate both their talents and enjoy watching them! I'm sure they will both be cornerstone pieces for each team going forward and they both deserve to be in the NHL (although I do agree that if Lane was in the devils system he would probably be in the AHL (and that's not an issue, nor is it an insult, he's very very good but overcooking young, undersized D is never a bad thing imo). He's not overtaking Siegenthaler, Dillon and Hughes with his size given the identity/system the devils are going for this year.
Just watching the game last night you can see that Hughes is making huge steps defensively, he's been one of the devils best defensive defensemen for most of the games he's been back (yes, there have been a couple of meh games too). His issue has mainly been lack of offense but it looks like it's only a matter of time before that gets going, he's starting to push again if last game is anything to go by. Missing the preseason with a new coach/system/partner didn't help and having dislocated a shoulder myself it takes a while to feel confident in your shoulder again no matter how good your physios are, plus he came back ahead of schedule (I understand people are just going to say 'excuses excuses' but the reality is it can take a while with those types of injuries and missing the first 10% of the season/preseason is obviously going to impact on your game early on, it's ignorant to say it won't).
I don't really understand this whole Luke/Lane thing. Just appreciate both their talents and enjoy watching them! I'm sure they will both be cornerstone pieces for each team going forward and they both deserve to be in the NHL (although I do agree that if Lane was in the devils system he would probably be in the AHL (and that's not an issue, nor is it an insult, he's very very good but overcooking young, undersized D is never a bad thing imo). He's not overtaking Siegenthaler, Dillon and Hughes with his size given the identity/system the devils are going for this year.
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