Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[TheDoldrums]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852421969032946153

 

[Doom Bot]

What metrics should I be using to suggest MTL has generated effective offense with hutson on the ice?

Probably something not tracking the first 10 games of someone's career, playing massive minutes on a basement dwelling team. Sometimes I'm in shock at the stuff I see on this site.

 

[NikolaTesla]

3rd best defender on the worst defensive team in the league by far is not something to be proud of

He gets 25% of his ice time with Suzuki, and has a sub 40% xGoals share in that time.

I prefer my eyes than your cherry picked statistics when it comes to evaluate Hutson's success. Just a question how many games have you watched of him this season?

 

[Garbageyuk]

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[NikolaTesla]

He's 20. And the offensive SKILL is there. Which is why it's so disappointing. A talent like Hutson is capable of being an offensive catalyst for team offense at levels probably close to DOUBLE what he's currently doing.

Oh so he should have 14 points in 11 games instead of 7 points for you to be satisfied. I get it now.

 

[dgibb10]

Oh so he should have 14 points in 11 games instead of 7 points for you to be satisfied. I get it now.

Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.

Hutson is capable of being an elite offensive defenseman, which is why 2 xGoals and 20 shots is so disappointing.

I prefer my eyes than your cherry picked statistics when it comes to evaluate Hutson's success. Just a question how many games have you watched of him this season?

Do you know what cherry picked means?

on ice xGoals results, and on ice chance generation is something I use as a tool CONSTANTLY. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Hutson.

 

[dgibb10]

Probably something not tracking the first 10 games of someone's career, playing massive minutes on a basement dwelling team. Sometimes I'm in shock at the stuff I see on this site.

So how many games does he have to play before evaluations of him becomes allowed?

Or does the "he's only played 13 games" thing only come into play when it doesn't paint him in a positive light?

 

[dgibb10]

Its absolutely ridiculous to compare advanced stats after 10 games where Montreal literally got blown out in 3 of them.

edit may as well say 4 of them.

6-3 pit
7-2 rags
8-2 kraken
6-3 washington

Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.

God I hate the "it's his teammates fault" excuse that gets applied to every single player on the team in a loop by fans of bad teams.

Player does well: "look how impressive it is to be doing this on such a bad team"
Player does poorly: "it's not his fault he has no help"

It's a copout by fans of basement teams to feel better about their team's players.

 

[Leafshater67]

Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.

Hutson is capable of being an elite offensive defenseman, which is why 2 xGoals and 20 shots is so disappointing.


Do you know what cherry picked means?

on ice xGoals results, and on ice chance generation is something I use as a tool CONSTANTLY. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Hutson.

He’s a 20 year old dman, drafted 62nd on a basement dweller, 10 games into his career dude. If you’re disappointed in his offence now, you’re instance.

This kind of attitude is why the leafs and habs always suck tbh. Too much delusional, unrealistic pressure on players.

 

[dgibb10]

He’s a 20 year old dman, drafted 62nd on a basement dweller, 10 games into his career dude. If you’re disappointed in his offence now, you’re instance.

This kind of attitude is why the leafs and habs always suck tbh. Too much delusional, unrealistic pressure on players.

Thread titled

Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch​

And yet filled with excuses about how he's just a kid and "why should you expect him to be good"

Crazy how he goes from future norris winner to "oh he's just a little baby second round pick it's not his fault".

 

[Doom Bot]

Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.

God I hate the "it's his teammates fault" excuse that gets applied to every single player on the team in a loop by fans of bad teams.

Player does well: "look how impressive it is to be doing this on such a bad team"
Player does poorly: "it's not his fault he has no help"

It's a copout by fans of basement teams to feel better about their team's players.

Did someone hire you to get to the bottom of this? You don't have to post about Hutson dude. You aren't going to make any of the people excited about him stop being excited.

There's people like you in the early goings of every hyped up young players career. Once the team isn't complete garbage with more than half the forward core 4th liners or AHLers, and Hutsons advanced stats look better, it will be crickets.

Also, you do realize that advanced stats take waaay longer of a sample size to have any meaning whatsoever? And even if they were a better sample size, nobody would care. Were talking about an exciting, undersized, offensive defenseman playing in a lost season. Habs fans know their team isn't great, is them being excited about some of their young players offensive to you?

 

[Jamaican Patty]

Did someone hire you to get to the bottom of this? You don't have to post about Hutson dude. You aren't going to make any of the people excited about him stop being excited.

There's people like you in the early goings of every hyped up young players career. Once the team isn't complete garbage with more than half the forward core 4th liners or AHLers, and Hutsons advanced stats look better, it will be crickets.

Also, you do realize that advanced stats take waaay longer of a sample size to have any meaning whatsoever? And even if they were a better sample size, nobody would care. Were talking about an exciting, undersized, offensive defenseman playing in a lost season. Habs fans know their team isn't great, is them being excited about some of their young players offensive to you?

He’s just mad his team passed on Hutson for Nemec & AHL Casey.

 

[Gravity]

"It's impossible to dissociate the individual from the team" is an interesting thing to say as you, check notes, try to ignore Hutson's impact on his team's offense to only look at his individual offense.

Just want to make it clear, you argument is "Who cares if when he's on the ice that his team doesn't produce much offense, as long as he gets points"?

Your understanding of my argument makes no sense. How can he get points (particularly assists) if his team doesn't produce offense? My point is that you cannot separate offense generated by Hutson alone from that of the team because if he produces, the team produces.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.

God I hate the "it's his teammates fault" excuse that gets applied to every single player on the team in a loop by fans of bad teams.

Player does well: "look how impressive it is to be doing this on such a bad team"
Player does poorly: "it's not his fault he has no help"

It's a copout by fans of basement teams to feel better about their team's players.

Yeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.

Who couldn't on a powerplay with Gallagher, Kapanen, Armia, and Newhook?

 

[NikolaTesla]

Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.

Hutson is capable of being an elite offensive defenseman, which is why 2 xGoals and 20 shots is so disappointing.


Do you know what cherry picked means?

on ice xGoals results, and on ice chance generation is something I use as a tool CONSTANTLY. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Hutson.

So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.

Crazy how he goes from future norris winner to "oh he's just a little baby second round pick it's not his fault".

You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.

Nobody in their right mind that actually watched all his nhl games would conclude "Damn he doesn't produce much offense". Nobody. Even the guys who actually compute advanced statistics says they have to be coupled with watching the games.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Yeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.

Who couldn't on a powerplay with Gallagher, Kapanen, Armia, and Newhook?

Our PP2 is actually insane

 

[Nogatco Rd]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852421969032946153

That guy sounds jelly

 

[Frank Drebin]

Thread titled

Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch​

And yet filled with excuses about how he's just a kid and "why should you expect him to be good"

Crazy how he goes from future norris winner to "oh he's just a little baby second round pick it's not his fault".

Dgibb mad

 

[dgibb10]

Your understanding of my argument makes no sense. How can he get points (particularly assists) if his team doesn't produce offense? My point is that you cannot separate offense generated by Hutson alone from that of the team because if he produces, the team produces.

He is HEAVILY involved in a smaller amount of offense.

He gets points because when he is on the ice, EVERYTHING runs through him, for better or for worse.

Similar to Mike Matheson on MTLs power play. MTLs power play has been bad with Matheson at the helm. And I think most habs fans would agree that mike matheson is not particularly effective as a PPQB. But because he is the guy touching the puck every time, most Habs PP goals involve Matheson.

The same concept applies to Hutson. Since everything runs through him, he will have touches on a large portion of the points. That does not mean that the MTL offense is effective with him on the ice, the same way it doesn't make Matheson an elite PP QB.

So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.


You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.

Nobody in their right mind that actually watched all his nhl games would conclude "Damn he doesn't produce much offense". Nobody. Even the guys who actually compute advanced statistics says they have to be coupled with watching the games.

Again, he produces a lot of individual offense.

However, he monopolizes the offense, leaving nobody else opportunity to create.

 

[dgibb10]

Yeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.

Who couldn't on a powerplay with Gallagher, Kapanen, Armia, and Newhook?

The problem is that these forwards keep generating more chances and shots when they're on the ice with the other dmen.

If these wingers are so bad that it would be impossible to get them chances, why can the other habs pairings do it

MTL gets 20 shots/60 with hutson on the ice, and 28 with hutson sitting on the bench.

 

[dgibb10]

He’s just mad his team passed on Hutson for Nemec & AHL Casey.

Speaking of casey, pretty similar to hutson. Nice counting stats, but getting caved in out there. Needs some AHL time and then maybe when he comes up it will be better. Thankfully he's not the guy we're relying on to carry a dcore.

It's okay to be critical of your teams young players when they're struggling

 

[dgibb10]

So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.


You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.

Nobody in their right mind that actually watched all his nhl games would conclude "Damn he doesn't produce much offense". Nobody. Even the guys who actually compute advanced statistics says they have to be coupled with watching the games.

If the only people in your eyes who are allowed to have opinions are those who've watched all of hutson's games.

That would be, checks notes, only habs fans.

I've watched 2 of his games start to finish (vs TOR and vs Wash), with portions of other games sprinkled in.

And once again, HE individually produces offense. The numbers and the eye test show that.

What he doesn't do is help his teammates get opportunities to produce. Every time hutson spends 20 seconds in the ozone dancing around the perimeter not creating anything, those are opportunities that, with other dmen, tend to be the cycle game creating chances for forwards. But since he has the puck, you view that as creating offense.

For a scenario.

Dman A gets the puck at the blueline and immediately moves it down low behind the net where possession is kept. You wouldn't view this as "creating offense" with your eye test, but it moves the puck to a guy who then creates.

Hutson gets the puck at the blueline and dances around for 25 seconds without penatrating the middle. To your eye test, he looks great offensively out there. But it's not creating for the TEAM at a great rate.

 

[Gravity]

He is HEAVILY involved in a smaller amount of offense.

He gets points because when he is on the ice, EVERYTHING runs through him, for better or for worse.

Similar to Mike Matheson on MTLs power play. MTLs power play has been bad with Matheson at the helm. And I think most habs fans would agree that mike matheson is not particularly effective as a PPQB. But because he is the guy touching the puck every time, most Habs PP goals involve Matheson.

The same concept applies to Hutson. Since everything runs through him, he will have touches on a large portion of the points. That does not mean that the MTL offense is effective with him on the ice, the same way it doesn't make Matheson an elite PP QB.


Again, he produces a lot of individual offense.

However, he monopolizes the offense, leaving nobody else opportunity to create.

"Hutson doesn't leave room for his teammates to create" - so you're essentially calling him a puck hog. He doesn't play that way and his playstyle has worked for him at every level.

 

[dgibb10]

"Hutson doesn't leave room for his teammates to create" - so you're essentially calling him a puck hog. He doesn't play that way and his playstyle has worked for him at every level.

Every level except the NHL.

 

[Gravity]

Every level except the NHL.

7 points in 11 games. You have no claim to suggest it won't work in the NHL.