Probably something not tracking the first 10 games of someone's career, playing massive minutes on a basement dwelling team. Sometimes I'm in shock at the stuff I see on this site.What metrics should I be using to suggest MTL has generated effective offense with hutson on the ice?
I prefer my eyes than your cherry picked statistics when it comes to evaluate Hutson's success. Just a question how many games have you watched of him this season?3rd best defender on the worst defensive team in the league by far is not something to be proud of
He gets 25% of his ice time with Suzuki, and has a sub 40% xGoals share in that time.
Oh so he should have 14 points in 11 games instead of 7 points for you to be satisfied. I get it now.He's 20. And the offensive SKILL is there. Which is why it's so disappointing. A talent like Hutson is capable of being an offensive catalyst for team offense at levels probably close to DOUBLE what he's currently doing.
Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.Oh so he should have 14 points in 11 games instead of 7 points for you to be satisfied. I get it now.
Do you know what cherry picked means?I prefer my eyes than your cherry picked statistics when it comes to evaluate Hutson's success. Just a question how many games have you watched of him this season?
So how many games does he have to play before evaluations of him becomes allowed?Probably something not tracking the first 10 games of someone's career, playing massive minutes on a basement dwelling team. Sometimes I'm in shock at the stuff I see on this site.
Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.Its absolutely ridiculous to compare advanced stats after 10 games where Montreal literally got blown out in 3 of them.
edit may as well say 4 of them.
6-3 pit
7-2 rags
8-2 kraken
6-3 washington
He’s a 20 year old dman, drafted 62nd on a basement dweller, 10 games into his career dude. If you’re disappointed in his offence now, you’re insane.Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.
Hutson is capable of being an elite offensive defenseman, which is why 2 xGoals and 20 shots is so disappointing.
Do you know what cherry picked means?
on ice xGoals results, and on ice chance generation is something I use as a tool CONSTANTLY. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Hutson.
Thread titledHe’s a 20 year old dman, drafted 62nd on a basement dweller, 10 games into his career dude. If you’re disappointed in his offence now, you’re instance.
This kind of attitude is why the leafs and habs always suck tbh. Too much delusional, unrealistic pressure on players.
Did someone hire you to get to the bottom of this? You don't have to post about Hutson dude. You aren't going to make any of the people excited about him stop being excited.Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.
God I hate the "it's his teammates fault" excuse that gets applied to every single player on the team in a loop by fans of bad teams.
Player does well: "look how impressive it is to be doing this on such a bad team"
Player does poorly: "it's not his fault he has no help"
It's a copout by fans of basement teams to feel better about their team's players.
Did someone hire you to get to the bottom of this? You don't have to post about Hutson dude. You aren't going to make any of the people excited about him stop being excited.
There's people like you in the early goings of every hyped up young players career. Once the team isn't complete garbage with more than half the forward core 4th liners or AHLers, and Hutsons advanced stats look better, it will be crickets.
Also, you do realize that advanced stats take waaay longer of a sample size to have any meaning whatsoever? And even if they were a better sample size, nobody would care. Were talking about an exciting, undersized, offensive defenseman playing in a lost season. Habs fans know their team isn't great, is them being excited about some of their young players offensive to you?
Your understanding of my argument makes no sense. How can he get points (particularly assists) if his team doesn't produce offense? My point is that you cannot separate offense generated by Hutson alone from that of the team because if he produces, the team produces."It's impossible to dissociate the individual from the team" is an interesting thing to say as you, check notes, try to ignore Hutson's impact on his team's offense to only look at his individual offense.
Just want to make it clear, you argument is "Who cares if when he's on the ice that his team doesn't produce much offense, as long as he gets points"?
Yeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.Perhaps we should look into the advanced numbers deeper and try to find some of the culprits for all these blowout losses.
God I hate the "it's his teammates fault" excuse that gets applied to every single player on the team in a loop by fans of bad teams.
Player does well: "look how impressive it is to be doing this on such a bad team"
Player does poorly: "it's not his fault he has no help"
It's a copout by fans of basement teams to feel better about their team's players.
So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.Elite offensive dmen tend to get around 3+ for xGoals/60 for, and into the mid 30s for shots for.
Hutson is capable of being an elite offensive defenseman, which is why 2 xGoals and 20 shots is so disappointing.
Do you know what cherry picked means?
on ice xGoals results, and on ice chance generation is something I use as a tool CONSTANTLY. You just don't like the fact that it doesn't paint a pretty picture of Hutson.
You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.Crazy how he goes from future norris winner to "oh he's just a little baby second round pick it's not his fault".
Our PP2 is actually insaneYeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.
Who couldn't on a powerplay with Gallagher, Kapanen, Armia, and Newhook?
That guy sounds jelly
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And yet filled with excuses about how he's just a kid and "why should you expect him to be good"
Crazy how he goes from future norris winner to "oh he's just a little baby second round pick it's not his fault".
He is HEAVILY involved in a smaller amount of offense.Your understanding of my argument makes no sense. How can he get points (particularly assists) if his team doesn't produce offense? My point is that you cannot separate offense generated by Hutson alone from that of the team because if he produces, the team produces.
Again, he produces a lot of individual offense.So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.
You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.
Nobody in their right mind that actually watched all his nhl games would conclude "Damn he doesn't produce much offense". Nobody. Even the guys who actually compute advanced statistics says they have to be coupled with watching the games.
The problem is that these forwards keep generating more chances and shots when they're on the ice with the other dmen.Yeah you're right man, he should be turning the worst wingers in the NHL into goal scoring machines.
Who couldn't on a powerplay with Gallagher, Kapanen, Armia, and Newhook?
Speaking of casey, pretty similar to hutson. Nice counting stats, but getting caved in out there. Needs some AHL time and then maybe when he comes up it will be better. Thankfully he's not the guy we're relying on to carry a dcore.He’s just mad his team passed on Hutson for Nemec & AHL Casey.
If the only people in your eyes who are allowed to have opinions are those who've watched all of hutson's games.So... how many games have you watched? Stop dodging the question.
You clearly have an agenda here. Everyone who actually watched him play loves his performances so far.
Nobody in their right mind that actually watched all his nhl games would conclude "Damn he doesn't produce much offense". Nobody. Even the guys who actually compute advanced statistics says they have to be coupled with watching the games.
"Hutson doesn't leave room for his teammates to create" - so you're essentially calling him a puck hog. He doesn't play that way and his playstyle has worked for him at every level.He is HEAVILY involved in a smaller amount of offense.
He gets points because when he is on the ice, EVERYTHING runs through him, for better or for worse.
Similar to Mike Matheson on MTLs power play. MTLs power play has been bad with Matheson at the helm. And I think most habs fans would agree that mike matheson is not particularly effective as a PPQB. But because he is the guy touching the puck every time, most Habs PP goals involve Matheson.
The same concept applies to Hutson. Since everything runs through him, he will have touches on a large portion of the points. That does not mean that the MTL offense is effective with him on the ice, the same way it doesn't make Matheson an elite PP QB.
Again, he produces a lot of individual offense.
However, he monopolizes the offense, leaving nobody else opportunity to create.
Every level except the NHL."Hutson doesn't leave room for his teammates to create" - so you're essentially calling him a puck hog. He doesn't play that way and his playstyle has worked for him at every level.
7 points in 11 games. You have no claim to suggest it won't work in the NHL.Every level except the NHL.