Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[dgibb10]

Well you posted XGF stats that supported your claim that Hutson doesn't create offense when hes on the ice.

By simply taking those XGF stats at face value, without context, after 10 regular season games, one would conclude that Jayden Struble and Arber Xehekaj create more offense than Matheson and Hutson. Which everyone knows is absolutely wrong.

So stop posting cherrypicked stats to help your quest in trying to make Hutson look bad is my ask.

You are misconstruing creating individual offense, which Hutson and Matheson do a lot of, with being a part of effective TEAM offense.

Hutson and Matheson like to hold the puck. Which means when they're on the ice, MTLs offense runs through them, for better or for worse.

It depends on if you're worried about Hutson and Matheson's individual point totals, or Montreal as a team.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

The Calder winner, ladies and gentlemen

Great passing and puck movement last night for sure. Also, he was at fault for the Caps GWG. He was up at the blue line chasing the puck and was out of position.

He is electric offensively and really poor defensively.

 

[MoneyManny]

Are people suppose to look at this and say its a good thing lol?

The reason why he has so many of those chances is because hes constantly going deep into the offensive zone... Something that D men dont do much of...With his lack of top speed to get back into the play if it goes the other way I'm not sure this is something that should be blindly celebrated.

Positions are more fluid than ever. Him going deep isn't the problem, the lack of a forward covering for breakaways and 2v1's while he's there is.

 

[Peasy]

Positions are more fluid than ever. Him going deep isn't the problem, the lack of a forward covering for breakaways and 2v1's while he's there is.

Then how come the gold standard D men that hes trying to become dont do it nearly as often?

And you dont see anything wrong with constantly making a forward cover back for a d man?

 

[MoneyManny]

You are misconstruing creating individual offense, which Hutson and Matheson do a lot of, with being a part of effective TEAM offense.

Hutson and Matheson like to hold the puck. Which means when they're on the ice, MTLs offense runs through them, for better or for worse.

It depends on if you're worried about Hutson and Matheson's individual point totals, or Montreal as a team.

You construct the teams around your most talented players, not the other way around.

Hutson consistently creates high danger chances when he runs the offense. It's on the rest of the team to convert these into goals, and i'm positive your stats will normalize as the group gains experience playing together.

He hasn't been playing much with the only ones in the team that can take advantage of what he creates.

 

[MoneyManny]

Then how come the gold standard D men that hes trying to become dont do it nearly as often?

And you dont see anything wrong with constantly making a forward cover back for a d man?

I'm not expecting him to play the exact way he's playing forever. What i feel is important right now while watching him play is how effortlessly he can run the offense. He has the talent and it definitely translates.

Now he needs a lot of polish to stop getting caught behind the net like an idiot while the other team breaks away with the puck. I feel like that's a lot easier to accomplish than learning how to drive the play like he does but that'll be on Hutson to do it.

 

[JianYang]

Gonna be a very close race but I expect Hutson will be a finalist for sure

Hutson is showing good things, but with his frame and the fact that an 82 game season is something he's never been through l, I expect he could be more prone to hitting a wall at some point

This is not meant to be critical. I think this has the makings to be a steal pick in the 2nd round.

 

[Canadienna]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852370309724213265

 

[dgibb10]

You construct the teams around your most talented players, not the other way around.

Hutson consistently creates high danger chances when he runs the offense. It's on the rest of the team to convert these into goals, and i'm positive your stats will normalize as the group gains experience playing together.

He hasn't been playing much with the only ones in the team that can take advantage of what he creates.

I don't think you fully understand what the stats mean.

Again, the problem isn't hutson's individual chance creation or direct passing, or MTLs finishing on those chances.

The problem is that he is so heliocentric in the way he plays (holding the puck and skating around), it means other players are not given opportunities to create.

As a result, MTL as a whole is not currently generating a lot of offense when hutson is on the ice. However, because Hutson is so involved, he himself is involved in a large portion of that. If what you want is big point totals for hutson and cool highlight reels, YAY. If you want MTL to win hockey games, not so much.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You are misconstruing creating individual offense, which Hutson and Matheson do a lot of, with being a part of effective TEAM offense.

Hutson and Matheson like to hold the puck. Which means when they're on the ice, MTLs offense runs through them, for better or for worse.

It depends on if you're worried about Hutson and Matheson's individual point totals, or Montreal as a team.

No.

You are using a stat to suggest that Hutson/Matheson are for a lack of a better word puckhogs, and that if we are to take that stat at face value, after 10 games, that Arber Jackeye and Jayden Struble are Montreals best defensemen at creating "team offense"

Do you actually believe that? If so, please explain.

 

[MoneyManny]

I don't think you fully understand what the stats mean.

Again, the problem isn't hutson's individual chance creation or direct passing, or MTLs finishing on those chances.

The problem is that he is so heliocentric in the way he plays (holding the puck and skating around), it means other players are not given opportunities to create.

As a result, MTL as a whole is not currently generating a lot of offense when hutson is on the ice. However, because Hutson is so involved, he himself is involved in a large portion of that. If what you want is big point totals for hutson and cool highlight reels, YAY. If you want MTL to win hockey games, not so much.

Other players like who, Newhook? Dach? Anderson? Or the ALL WORLD playmaker, Savard, his partner?

Who is Hutson holding back exactly with his puck dominant style of play? From my point of view our first line is doing it's thing unbothered, and Hutson is helping our other (really bad) lines to NOT play dump and chase all game long.

 

[dgibb10]

No.

You are using a stat to suggest that Hutson/Matheson are for a lack of a better word puckhogs, and that if we are to take that stat at face value, after 10 games, that Arber Jackeye and Jayden Struble are Montreals best defensemen at creating "team offense"

Do you actually believe that? If so, please explain.

I have explained.

Matheson and Guhle spend all night getting caved in by opposing teams best players.

the 3rd pairing goes against the other teams scrubs and generates quite a bit, while giving it all back and more on the other end.

Hutson has played 200 minutes 5v5. In that time MTL has gotten just 70 shots on net.

for Matheson: 170 minutes, 85 shots on net
for Barron : 100 minutes, 54 shots on net
for Xhekaj: 110 minutes, 48 shots on net
for Guhle 107 minutes, 44 shots on net
for Struble 82 minutes, 36 shots on net
for Mailloux 75 minutes, 33 shots on net

You can cry about the reality, but it is what it is.

MTL is not generating offense at a high rate with Lane Hutson on the ice.

 

[Gravity]

I have explained.

Matheson and Guhle spend all night getting caved in by opposing teams best players.

the 3rd pairing goes against the other teams scrubs and generates quite a bit, while giving it all back and more on the other end.

Hutson has played 200 minutes 5v5. In that time MTL has gotten just 70 shots on net.

for Matheson: 170 minutes, 85 shots on net
for Barron : 100 minutes, 54 shots on net
for Xhekaj: 110 minutes, 48 shots on net
for Guhle 107 minutes, 44 shots on net
for Struble 82 minutes, 36 shots on net
for Mailloux 75 minutes, 33 shots on net

You can cry about the reality, but it is what it is.

MTL is not generating offense at a high rate with Lane Hutson on the ice.

Simply not true and shot metrics are a stupid way to exclusively quantify offense

 

[dgibb10]

Simply not true and shot metrics are a stupid way to exclusively quantify offense

What metrics should I be using to suggest MTL has generated effective offense with hutson on the ice?

 

[Gravity]

What metrics should I be using to suggest MTL has generated effective offense with hutson on the ice?

The eye test. Metrics are designed to corroborate the eye test, not replace it.

 

[General Fanager]

Great passing and puck movement last night for sure. Also, he was at fault for the Caps GWG. He was up at the blue line chasing the puck and was out of position.

He is electric offensively and really poor defensively.

As a Habs fan I kinda don't care. The team is crap now so play him a lot. If they can get him to be even average defensively. That's a huge win.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

A real shame he's not likely to ever make the playoffs

Montreal is going to be trash for a long time

 

[Gravity]

A real shame he's not likely to ever make the playoffs

Montreal is going to be trash for a long time

We only aspire to be like the Sens, a true model of success

 

[bud12]

Great passing and puck movement last night for sure. Also, he was at fault for the Caps GWG. He was up at the blue line chasing the puck and was out of position.

He is electric offensively and really poor defensively.

He was not out of position. It's MSL dzone man to man.

 

[dgibb10]

The eye test. Metrics are designed to corroborate the eye test, not replace it.

The metrics line up pretty accurately with my eye test.

Hutson controls the puck and most of the offense runs through him, so it is great for his individual highlights and totals, but doesn't provide opportunity for creation from others, leading to poor on ice results.

Now, if for example you were an MTL fan, the eye test may fool you quite easily. You'll remember each of Hutson's INDIVIDUAL plays, which there are a lot of, and truly are quite pretty. You'll remember him with the puck on his stick a TON in the ozone. But you are not watching/tracking in a way that has you realize that overall, it's not a lot of offense for the TEAM when he's out there.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

The metrics line up pretty accurately with my eye test.

Hutson controls the puck and most of the offense runs through him, so it is great for his individual highlights and totals, but doesn't provide opportunity for creation from others, leading to poor on ice results.

Now, if for example you were an MTL fan, the eye test may fool you quite easily. You'll remember each of Hutson's INDIVIDUAL plays, which there are a lot of, and truly are quite pretty. You'll remember him with the puck on his stick a TON in the ozone. But you are not watching/tracking in a way that has you realize that overall, it's not a lot of offense for the TEAM when he's out there.

Are you suggesting Montreal would be better if Lane gave the puck to Armia Dach and Newhook more?

 

[Jamaican Patty]

I can see Lane having a Markov type impact with more points. Maybe some deserving Norris votes/consideration just like Markov in his prime.

 

[dgibb10]

Are you suggesting Montreal would be better if Lane gave the puck to Armia Dach and Newhook more?

I'm suggesting that currently MTL doesn't generate a lot with Lane Hutson on the ice.

There's clearly offensive skill, but generating such little offense with him on the ice is unacceptable, especially considering MTL generates more with him sitting on the bench.

Either he has to switch up the way he plays, or MTL needs to figure out how to improve/replace every forward on the roster. I know which one is probably easier.

Dach Armia and Newhook have WAYYY better results with Hutson sitting on the bench.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

A real shame he's not likely to ever make the playoffs

Montreal is going to be trash for a long time

Do you know what team you root for ?

 

[Frank Drebin]

I'm suggesting that currently MTL doesn't generate a lot with Lane Hutson on the ice.

There's clearly offensive skill, but generating such little offense with him on the ice is unacceptable, especially considering MTL generates more with him sitting on the bench.

Either he has to switch up the way he plays, or MTL needs to figure out how to improve/replace every forward on the roster. I know which one is probably easier.

Dach Armia and Newhook have WAYYY better results with Hutson sitting on the bench.

do you think there is time for Hutson to change his style or is it too late?

I think its pretty transparent what you're trying to do here. Trying to convince yourself that Hutson is not going to be an impact player for a team that you have a weird obsession about.