Lane Hutson Burgeoning Star Watch

[Xirik]

Eh this Calder watch was more fun when both Lane and Casey were duking it out for points as defenseman. Maybe there will be another good defenseman next year for Casey to battle for the Calder with.

Sometimes depth sucks.

 

[NyQuil]

Eh this Calder watch was more fun when both Lane and Casey were duking it out for points as defenseman. Maybe there will be another good defenseman next year for Casey to battle for the Calder with.

Sometimes depth sucks.

Sometimes a player is good enough that you make room for him.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Eh this Calder watch was more fun when both Lane and Casey were duking it out for points as defenseman. Maybe there will be another good defenseman next year for Casey to battle for the Calder with.

Sometimes depth sucks.

Reinbacher hopefully

 

[MoneyManny]

But he HASN'T been doing good things defensively.

We are praising him for not sucking as much as the others, despite having poor play himself (again, defensively).

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No dman on this team (except maybe Guhle considering the ridiculous minutes they make him play) should be praised for their defensive efforts.


Matheson plays tough minutes and is getting TRULY caved.
Guhle plays tough minutes, he isn't winning them but it's admirable and he looks good out there.

Everyone else is not playing tough minutes, and getting various levels of caved in defensively.

He has been doing good things defensively. He made some costly mistakes but he routinely battles on the boards, hits, blocks shots, does everything nobody expected him to do on top of generating some dangerous chances almost everytime he's out there.

Using advanced stats to judge his play in October of his rookie season is Pejorative Slured and disingenuous. It defeats the entire purpose of compiling those stats in the first place.

 

[Xirik]

Sometimes a player is good enough that you make room for him.

Pesce and Hamilton can't be moved and Kovacevic has managed to make him and Siegenthaler one the top top shutdown pairings in the league. Either Kovacevic will come back down to earth or one of them will get injured.

Casey is in the AHL right now while Nemec is sitting in the press box. So I assume Nemec will probably get first dibs if any injury happens.

It's a nice situation to be in depth wise but it was cool having another player battle for the calder like Luke Hughes did last year.

Might have to wait another season to enjoy that feeling again.

 

[dgibb10]

He has been doing good things defensively. He made some costly mistakes but he routinely battles on the boards, hits, blocks shots, does everything nobody expected him to do on top of generating some dangerous chances almost everytime he's out there.

Using advanced stats to judge his play in October of his rookie season is Pejorative Slured and disingenuous. It defeats the entire purpose of compiling those stats in the first place.

MTL generates shockingly few high danger chances with Lane Hutson on the ice.

Pretending the results aren't there doesn't make them go away.

 

[NikolaTesla]

MTL generates shockingly few high danger chances with Lane Hutson on the ice.

Thats because he is rarely on the ice when the first line is. He has way more minutes with the second line, who is really not working wel so far. So many times he makes a great play and the Josh Andersons of this world just don't see the incoming pass. As i told you so many damn times, you need to put advanced stats into context. If you actually watch his game (you clearly dont) you would notice that he generates quite a lot of offense while being solid defensively for a rookie. From what i see with my own eyes, Hutson is at very least the 3rd best defender for the habs atm and maybe even second best. Their defense sucks overall so that might not mean much.

 

[Frank Drebin]

He looks like he creates offence
He’s picking up points

Our eyes must be deceiving us

 

[MoneyManny]

MTL generates shockingly few high danger chances with Lane Hutson on the ice.

Pretending the results aren't there doesn't make them go away.

Which results, advanced statistics with 11 games sample sizes? They mean absolutely nothing.

What i see is Hutson making dangerous passes across the slot as naturally as waking up in the morning, and being so dangerous with the puck that teams have been giving him space instead of playing his tiny body or the puck when he's driving the play to avoid being clowned by him.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

MTL generates shockingly few high danger chances with Lane Hutson on the ice.

Pretending the results aren't there doesn't make them go away.

Montreal converts shockingly few high danger passes into high danger chances when Hutson is on the ice, and that's because he's usually out there with Dvorak, Anderson, Armia, Gallagher types

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852093752963166230

 

[Frank Drebin]

Also, MTL may give up more chances with him off the ice, but they actually generate shockingly FEW chances with him ON the ice. If you're gonna use relative to teammates to praise his defense, better be shitting on his offense at the same time
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So what’s this telling me, that arber alphabet and jayden struble are montreals best offensive defensemen?

 

[dgibb10]

Montreal converts shockingly few high danger passes into high danger chances when Hutson is on the ice, and that's because he's usually out there with Dvorak, Anderson, Armia, Gallagher types

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852093752963166230

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[dgibb10]

Thats because he is rarely on the ice when the first line is. He has way more minutes with the second line, who is really not working wel so far. So many times he makes a great play and the Josh Andersons of this world just don't see the incoming pass. As i told you so many damn times, you need to put advanced stats into context. If you actually watch his game (you clearly dont) you would notice that he generates quite a lot of offense while being solid defensively for a rookie. From what i see with my own eyes, Hutson is at very least the 3rd best defender for the habs atm and maybe even second best. Their defense sucks overall so that might not mean much.

3rd best defender on the worst defensive team in the league by far is not something to be proud of

He gets 25% of his ice time with Suzuki, and has a sub 40% xGoals share in that time.

 

[dgibb10]

So what’s this telling me, that arber alphabet and jayden struble are montreals best offensive defensemen?

They play a high event brand of hockey yes. Truly atrocious defensively tho, which makes sense why in comparison it has made a number of people think Hutson has not been bad defensively.

When your frame of reference is dogshit defensive play for the 4th straight year now I can understand how perception can be thrown off

 

[dgibb10]

But anyway, to summarize.

The individual chance generation and playmaking is great. He is HEAVILY involved in the offense.

The problem is that he is so heavily involved, it does not leave room for his teammates to create. He is creating a very high % of not very much offense because of the way he plays. Holds the puck and tries to create openings there instead of through the cycle game and puck movement.

Not a lot of overall offense for MTL when he's on the ice, but the offense that does occur is running through him.

 

[Frank Drebin]

They play a high event brand of hockey yes. Truly atrocious defensively tho, which makes sense why in comparison it has made a number of people think Hutson has not been bad defensively.

When your frame of reference is dogshit defensive play for the 4th straight year now I can understand how perception can be thrown off

So you’re going with that? Struble is Montreals best offensive defenseman?

He creates more offence than matheson according to those numbers

 

[dgibb10]

So you’re going with that? Struble is Montreals best offensive defenseman?

That was not my claim at all.

Hutson is the most TALENTED offensively, unfortunately he has not been able to turn that into offensive success for MTL when he's on the ice. If he can figure out a way to combine his individual play with letting his teammates get opportunities to create, it will be better for him and for MTL.

and his defense has been bad. Not as bad as matheson, barron, xhekaj, etc, but not good either.

So you’re going with that? Struble is Montreals best offensive defenseman?

He creates more offence than matheson according to those numbers

Matheson has a similar situation to Hutson (especially on the PP for matheson), where he is heavily involved in a not very effective attack.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

But anyway, to summarize.

The individual chance generation and playmaking is great. He is HEAVILY involved in the offense.

The problem is that he is so heavily involved, it does not leave room for his teammates to create. He is creating a very high % of not very much offense because of the way he plays. Holds the puck and tries to create openings there instead of through the cycle game and puck movement.

Not a lot of overall offense for MTL when he's on the ice, but the offense that does occur is running through him.

Noted , the offence should go through Armia Anderson and Newhook you are right

 

[Voight]

Montreal desperately needs a legit NHL coach. These kids are just going to develop bad habits that will be much more difficult to remove further down the line.

Agreed. MSL only got the job because he A) Speaks French and B) his former agent is the teams GM. Hall of fame career aside, he was coaching kids in AAA beforehand. Besides some part time work with Columbus, he had zero pro coaching experience.

 

[Frank Drebin]

That was not my claim at all.

Hutson is the most TALENTED offensively, unfortunately he has not been able to turn that into offensive success for MTL when he's on the ice. If he can figure out a way to combine his individual play with letting his teammates get opportunities to create, it will be better for him and for MTL.

and his defense has been bad. Not as bad as matheson, barron, xhekaj, etc, but not good either.


Matheson has a similar situation to Hutson (especially on the PP for matheson), where he is heavily involved in a not very effective attack.

Well you posted XGF stats that supported your claim that Hutson doesn't create offense when hes on the ice.

By simply taking those XGF stats at face value, without context, after 10 regular season games, one would conclude that Jayden Struble and Arber Xehekaj create more offense than Matheson and Hutson. Which everyone knows is absolutely wrong.

So stop posting cherrypicked stats to help your quest in trying to make Hutson look bad is my ask.

 

[Baksfamous112]

He is built to be the D-man that you acquire a better player than and win a cup.

Perfect #2D if you can acquire a two-way big and physical D-man to play the tough defensive matchups

His defense will never be good but his offense in current scoring league should be 65-75 pt good.

His defense have been a surprise this year. He’s much more combative and wins more puck battle than I (and every other Habs fans) expected.

He will certainly need a more defensive minded D to pair with as he does take chances but as the season progress I find that he takes more and more calculated risk and he’s learning to pick his spot when supporting the offensive push

 

[thebestnic]

Agreed. MSL only got the job because he A) Speaks French and B) his former agent is the teams GM. Hall of fame career aside, he was coaching kids in AAA beforehand. Besides some part time work with Columbus, he had zero pro coaching experience.

You act like most coaches aren't hired out of nepotism...

 

[Peasy]

You act like most coaches aren't hired out of nepotism...

Most coaches don't go from coaching their kids youth hockey team and being a special teams consultant for a little bit directly to a head coaching gig in the NHL.

Don't think it's difficult to realize his path is way different from your average NHL coach.

 

[dgibb10]

Noted , the offence should go through Armia Anderson and Newhook you are right

Well MTL generates more offense with Hutson off the ice than him on it. You can cry about what the statistics say if you want tho.

MTL needs to figure out a top pairing partner for Guhle that can eat top minutes without getting completely caved, or give that top pairing much easier minutes

They need to figure out how to turn hutson's offensive talent into actual offensive results for MTL while he's on the ice, whether that's by changing his game or changing the way the team plays around him.

And they need to find a 3rd pairing that doesn't get caved in by the 4th and 3rd lines of the opponents night after night.

I'd think as a habs fan you would be more concerned with helping the TEAM produce and win games, rather than just Hutson's point totals.

 

[Peasy]

Montreal converts shockingly few high danger passes into high danger chances when Hutson is on the ice, and that's because he's usually out there with Dvorak, Anderson, Armia, Gallagher types

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852093752963166230

Are people suppose to look at this and say its a good thing lol?

The reason why he has so many of those chances is because hes constantly going deep into the offensive zone... Something that D men dont do much of...With his lack of top speed to get back into the play if it goes the other way I'm not sure this is something that should be blindly celebrated.