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LAK 5 : EDM 2 - King me!

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theMajor said:
I dont see what the problem with this is. everyone on that line got a goal, whats the sense in complaining if they got 2nd or 3rd line minutes? it was the 2nd game of a back to back, Id wait a few games before you critique Sutter for giving him "2nd line minutes". he was obviously resting some of the players that logged heavy minuted the night before and King was literally playing his first game of this season
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It comes from the idea that people are saying hes helping the bottom 6 when hes not He contributing from the top 6 mins. If people would have just left that part out i have no issue with them saying he sparked lewis and brown It when people label it 3 line when its not in which my issue lies. Also if you read all my posts I even said it was a good move to reduce mins of gaborik and pearson with the lewis line playing well and against a crap team. So where is my "critique" of Sutter again twisting of my words.
 
Winger23 said:
Seems you forgot Lucic wasn't on the kings yet and Pearson was out a very long time. What other option did they have last year than to give King more minutes? Please don't say Clifford....

How's that for your facts.
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Clifford was a option but not the best option. We should have called up someone from the ahl. Weal and/ mersch auger At least tried someone else. Also King was getting more mins then Pearson before he was hurt so nice try Also brown should have been there before king.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
It comes from the idea that people are saying hes helping the bottom 6 when hes not He contributing from the top 6 mins. If people would have just left that part out i have no issue with them saying he sparked lewis and brown It when people label it 3 line when its not in which my issue lies. Also if you read all my posts I even said it was a good move to reduce mins of gaborik and pearson with the lewis line playing well and against a crap team. So where is my "critique" of Sutter again twisting of my words.
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It's the third line. Kopi and Carter are the top 2 centers on this team. King is playing on the bottom 6 unless he is playing with one of kopi or Carter period. There are too many factors involved to label lines based off ice time. One factor for example ,If the kings have the lead I will bet you anything Lewis and king will get more ice time than in games they are trailing.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
It comes from the idea that people are saying hes helping the bottom 6 when hes not He contributing from the top 6 mins. If people would have just left that part out i have no issue with them saying he sparked lewis and brown It when people label it 3 line when its not in which my issue lies. Also if you read all my posts I even said it was a good move to reduce mins of gaborik and pearson with the lewis line playing well and against a crap team. So where is my "critique" of Sutter again twisting of my words.
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You're right. King was regularly used as a top six forward. Even though he wasn't regularly used on Kopitar or Carter's line when we had a full healthy lineup.

Does that mean Kopitar or Carter is the third line center?
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Clifford was a option but not the best option. We should have called up someone from the ahl. Weal and/ mersch auger At least tried someone else. Also King was getting more mins then Pearson before he was hurt so nice try Also brown should have been there before king.
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Sigh. Calling who up from the ahl? No one was ready. Brown was tried but he **** the bed. King was filling in due to injuries and FFS Clifford is not an option for top 6.
 
King'sPawn said:
You're right. King was regularly used as a top six forward. Even though he wasn't regularly used on Kopitar or Carter's line when we had a full healthy lineup.

Does that mean Kopitar or Carter is the third line center?
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I'm at the point of just ignoring to be honest. It's going right over his head.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
It comes from the idea that people are saying hes helping the bottom 6 when hes not He contributing from the top 6 mins. If people would have just left that part out i have no issue with them saying he sparked lewis and brown It when people label it 3 line when its not in which my issue lies. Also if you read all my posts I even said it was a good move to reduce mins of gaborik and pearson with the lewis line playing well and against a crap team. So where is my "critique" of Sutter again twisting of my words.
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well youre essentially saying hes a bottom 6 forward playing top 6 minutes, so youre indirectly saying that hes undeserving of the extra ice time, which in a way is also saying Sutter isnt using him right. all Im saying is Sutter played the third line more than he normally would because of the back to back situation, so your sample size is way too small to be making any judgements thus far. wait a few more games to see how Sutter utilizes King and I guarantee you'll see him used less
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
First off to all I'm happy to see the reaction and hate from all my fellow king fans. What a over reaction to my comments. I funny i didn't think it was possible to unit so many king fans in one opinion. So i applauded that. Now i want to dispell this rumour i hate King I don't i just don't want to see him play to many mins I think King is best served with between 12-13 mins.

Mr Doty if you read all my post you would have seen me state in one of them I said it was probably a good idea to rest Pearson and gaborik a little with that line playing well. I also have said Mr King played well in several of my posts and i will restate it again He had a good game. My issues comes from people saying he sparked the 3rd line when said line didn't play 3rd line mins. The way Sutter distributed mins can have so called 2nd line players getting 3rd line mins aka Pearson This happens a lot more then people think. This extra mins makes it a lot more likely your offensive stats will go up.

Next to you no one is calling him a saviour I have seen several people openingly suggest he is the answer to our bottom six scoring woes. If hes playing top 6 mins how is he doing that? Its simply not true. It makes him seem better then he is. I have no issues with people being happy hes back. I have issues with people saying hes playing in the bottom 6 when hes not. I also think people are overstating it. It was against edmonton one of the worse nhl teams in the league. He does something like this against a playoff fine sing his praises Hell I'll beat you to it however im not holding my breath.


now the other comment that was obviously about me. Now if your going to talk about me use my name I can defend my opinion as well as anyone in here. Due to small sample sizes what are you talking about fact dwight king play 81 games last year and 51 one of them were him playing over 14 mins and another 3 over 13.30 mins. This leaves 27 games of his 81 games or 33.3 percent of his games playing bottom 6 mins. That is not a small sample size at all. Also i never once said we suck because of King again you over state things to paint me in a negative light Next this 100s of posts line is again overstating things Go back to that thread less then 70 with half mine and half others. People like to call dwight king bottom 6 but last year and so far this year hes plays top 6 mins Facts are facts.
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Dude, you are putting WAY too much energy into Dwight King. DK can play 60 minutes a game so long as the Kings win 5-2. They're the 4th best team in the league, maybe they're doing something right?
 
Seriously, don't some of you know that for some folks Sutter is a lousy coach, and always will be a lousy coach. He doesn't know how to use Dwight King. He didn't know how to use Mike Richards, and on and on and on...
 
Winger23 said:
It's the third line. Kopi and Carter are the top 2 centers on this team. King is playing on the bottom 6 unless he is playing with one of kopi or Carter period. There are too many factors involved to label lines based off ice time. One factor for example ,If the kings have the lead I will bet you anything Lewis and king will get more ice time than in games they are trailing.
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King is a winger Carter and Kopitar are centers apples and oranges If lewis shore or whoever is our other centers play more ice time then either of them in that game yes they would be.
 
King'sPawn said:
You're right. King was regularly used as a top six forward. Even though he wasn't regularly used on Kopitar or Carter's line when we had a full healthy lineup.

Does that mean Kopitar or Carter is the third line center?
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First off thank you for saying i was right about King being used as a top 6 forward ( nitpicking here i prefer winger )
Again as stated above he played wing not center so lets compare apple to apples not to oranges :)
 
Winger23 said:
Sigh. Calling who up from the ahl? No one was ready. Brown was tried but he **** the bed. King was filling in due to injuries and FFS Clifford is not an option for top 6.
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Weal or shore or any other of the players playing top 6 on the ahl league champs. Say what you want about Clifford had 15 point and a +5 in around 10 mins a game King was 21 points and -3 in 14+ mins Not hard to think Clifford production would go up in 4+ mins a game and better line mates.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
King is a winger Carter and Kopitar are centers apples and oranges If lewis shore or whoever is our other centers play more ice time then either of them in that game yes they would be.
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Please fill in the blanks:
1st line LW ________
1st line C _________
1st line RW _______

2nd line LW King, according to you
2nd line C ________
2nd line RW ________

3rd line LW _______
3rd line C _________
3rd line RW ________

Because you can't say King is a 2nd line LW and Carter is the 2nd line C if they don't play on the same line.
 
Bandit said:
Dude, you are putting WAY too much energy into Dwight King. DK can play 60 minutes a game so long as the Kings win 5-2. They're the 4th best team in the league, maybe they're doing something right?
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As i said and will continue to say We had that record without him He is not as important to this team as the masses think. We missed the playoffs with him last year 4th best record this year. Praising him the way this group is for one game against the oliers no less is overstating imo
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
As i said and will continue to say We had that record without him He is not as important to this team as the masses think. We missed the playoffs with him last year 4th best record this year. Praising him the way this group is for one game against the oliers no less is overstating imo
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We're undefeated without Carter too.

Carter and King package deal?
 
King'sPawn said:
Please fill in the blanks:
1st line LW ________
1st line C _________
1st line RW _______

2nd line LW King, according to you
2nd line C ________
2nd line RW ________

3rd line LW _______
3rd line C _________
3rd line RW ________

Because you can't say King is a 2nd line LW and Carter is the 2nd line C if they don't play on the same line.
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In which game are you talking about because it changes from game to game. In our last game it was

Lucic kopitar toffoli (1st line)
king lewis brown (2nd line)
pearson shore gaborik ( 3rd line)
Mersch andy nolan ( 4th line)

Carter and king have not played in the same game this year so yes i can say it Last year they were together 51 games for the most part

See people can play one game as a 2nd line player and the next as a 3rd line player However to me if your playing 52 game s out of the last 82 with 2nd line mins your a second line player :)
 
KINGS17 said:
Seriously, don't some of you know that for some folks Sutter is a lousy coach, and always will be a lousy coach. He doesn't know how to use Dwight King. He didn't know how to use Mike Richards, and on and on and on...
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Sutter FAILED last year riding Stoll/Brown/Williams. He was unable to get the team to the playoffs.

This year the Pacific is a dumpster fire. So the team doesn't really need anything out of Sutter. Good thing too because after last year Sutter had a hard time figuring out he needed to step up.

BTW, I've seen the adjustments Sutter makes when his back is up against the wall, like 0-3 against the Sharks. The bigger question for me is why the **** did Nolan start with Carter/Toffoli? Why the **** wasn't Pearson tried with those guys in the regular season? Why was the first time it was put together in the playoffs? The answer is Sutter's ********. The more frustrating part is he can actually figure it out, but only when forced to because his backs against the wall. He has the capacity for abstract thought, but fails to use it on a regular basis. :)

Edit: God it feels good to rip on Sutter again. Really missed that with the Pacific being garbage.
 
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