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KingCanadain1976 said:
In which game are you talking about because it changes from game to game. In our last game it was

Lucic kopitar toffoli (1st line)
king lewis brown (2nd line)
pearson shore gaborik ( 3rd line)
Mersch andy nolan ( 4th line)

Carter and king have not played in the same game this year so yes i can say it Last year they were together 51 games for the most part

See people can play one game as a 2nd line player and the next as a 3rd line player However to me if your playing 52 game s out of the last 82 with 2nd line mins your a second line player :)
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Okay, explain this time on ice from the one game you are citing:
King TOI: 14:50
Pearson TOI: 13:39
Shore TOI: 14:19
Lewis TOI: 14:06
Brown TOI: 17:32
Toffoli TOI: 17:22

So... Shore had more ice time than Lewis. That means HE was the 2nd line center. Right? Or was King the 2nd line left wing, Shore the 2nd line center, and they just happened never to play together? And is Dustin Brown the 1st line right wing over Toffoli?
 
Brad Doty said:
I dunno, you seem okay with injuries and players getting bumped around within the game changing roles, so Shore is a 2C too. May as well move Carter by your logic.
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wow mr doty you like to talk about things in extremes. You said i was judging dwight King on a small sample size I clearly showed i was basing my judgement over the last 82 games. (one this year and 81 last year)So you in are are taking that logic to say we should trade carter for us winning one game without him clearly a small sample size. I am reminded of a old saying he in glasses houses should not throw stones. I don't know what it is about my pointing out king is a top 6 winger for the last year that upset you and other fans but clearly there is something. However continue taking things to the extreme i will continue to point this out in the continuing story that is the hf boards. :)
 
Day 3, or Dwight 3, if you will, of the Bottom 6 Watch continues.

Told you we'd be back here in a couple weeks.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
wow mr doty you like to talk about things in extremes. You said i was judging dwight King on a small sample size I clearly showed i was basing my judgement over the last 82 games. (one this year and 81 last year)So you in are are taking that logic to say we should trade carter for us winning one game without him clearly a small sample size. I am reminded of a old saying he in glasses houses should not throw stones. I don't know what it is about my pointing out king is a top 6 winger for the last year that upset you and other fans but clearly there is something. However continue taking things to the extreme i will continue to point this out in the continuing story that is the hf boards. :)
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You literally just said it changes from game to game.

People are getting upset because your logic makes no sense in a hockey context. Literally getting minutes because people are injured doesn't make you a long-term 2LW any more than Carter being hurt makes Shore a 2c. AS KP pointed out, if anything, how is that possible when that means Shore was last night's 2C and King was last night's 2LW yet they didn't even play together? We went over this in another thread ad nauseum, there is no reason to continue down this path. The only reason it's coming up is because King came back and enjoyed success with a line that ended up playing a lot because they were playing well (and King was fresh having not played this year) and for some reason you can't stomach that. There is NO reason to believe he's going to play more minutes than Lucic, Pearson, maybe even Gaborik going forward, and if he does, it'll be for good reason. The only reason that's a problem is because you dislike the player.

But if you're admitting you're just doing this to get attention and rile everyone up then yeah that's the definition of trolling and you should stop now.
 
King'sPawn said:
Okay, explain this time on ice from the one game you are citing:
King TOI: 14:50
Pearson TOI: 13:39
Shore TOI: 14:19
Lewis TOI: 14:06
Brown TOI: 17:32
Toffoli TOI: 17:22

So... Shore had more ice time than Lewis. That means HE was the 2nd line center. Right? Or was King the 2nd line left wing, Shore the 2nd line center, and they just happened never to play together? And is Dustin Brown the 1st line right wing over Toffoli?
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King to pearson 70 secs so King got 2 more shifts roughly

shore to lewis 13 secs no real difference can be argue on where the play was when they had to get off ice I would suggest shore was in a spot he couldn't get off the ice when lewis could go off ice easier
toffoli to Brown again see above.
When someone gets less then a full shift no can be said he played whichever spot \But over a full mins more that is significant ice time

Now what people are not factoring in is it was a back to back and it was against a lesser opponent
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
King to pearson 70 secs so King got 2 more shifts roughly

shore to lewis 13 secs no real difference can be argue on where the play was when they had to get off ice I would suggest shore was in a spot he couldn't get off the ice when lewis could go off ice easier
toffoli to Brown again see above.
When someone gets less then a full shift no can be said he played whichever spot \But over a full mins more that is significant ice time

Now what people are not factoring in is it was a back to back and it was against a lesser opponent
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So we're breaking it down by shifts now?

You're really going to be disturbed then because King was our 1LW, Lucic 2, Pearson 3.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...ort=shiftsPerGame&aggregate=1&teamId=26&pos=S

Also give it up for 2C Trevor Lewis. and 1RW Dustin Brown. Welcome back Brownie!

Do you seriously not see a failure in logic here, or do you genuinely not understand reading and reacting to game situations being good coaching?
 
Dwight King - Time on Ice per game

2011-2012 - 14:38, Ranked 8th among forwards
2012-2013 - 12:45, Ranked 9th among forwards
2013-2014 - 15:02, Ranked 8th among forwards
2014-2015 - 14:23, Ranked 8th among forwards

Pretty consistent for total ice time. He rarely sees PP time and plays on the 3rd PK unit. His 5v5 numbers have increased from 8th to 5 or 6, while Stoll and Richards were crapping the bed.

It's apparent that Sutter trusts King, but he's not getting special teams time in addition to his regular shifts. Rather, he's used to fill in for guys on shifts that have been on the PK/PP.

Saying that Dwight King, in his career, has ever seen 2nd line minutes outside of the short term is a complete fallacy. Even when he was filling in for injuries he was never higher than 8th for total ice time.
 
I pointed that exact stat out perhaps 5 months ago. It simply cannot be reasoned with, and it will absolutely will not stop.
 
Brad Doty said:
You literally just said it changes from game to game.

People are getting upset because your logic makes no sense in a hockey context. Literally getting minutes because people are injured doesn't make you a long-term 2LW any more than Carter being hurt makes Shore a 2c. AS KP pointed out, if anything, how is that possible when that means Shore was last night's 2C and King was last night's 2LW yet they didn't even play together? We went over this in another thread ad nauseum, there is no reason to continue down this path. The only reason it's coming up is because King came back and enjoyed success with a line that ended up playing a lot because they were playing well (and King was fresh having not played this year) and for some reason you can't stomach that. There is NO reason to believe he's going to play more minutes than Lucic, Pearson, maybe even Gaborik going forward, and if he does, it'll be for good reason. The only reason that's a problem is because you dislike the player.

But if you're admitting you're just doing this to get attention and rile everyone up then yeah that's the definition of trolling and you should stop now.
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again twist away this is fine. King was playing more mins then Pearson before pearson was out with injury So think what you want the point stand before he was out. He was getting 2nd most mins. Less then a full shift difference is not what i'm talking about and as said can be argued as when he had to get off he couldn't because of where the play was King was over a min difference this is not do to where the play was . We will see where he plays and doesn't play in the future. My whole point of posting is being overlooked due to my perceived hating of king. People were saying he was sparking the 3rd line when he clearly played more mins then Pearson and to me that would make him 2nd line lw for that game.

No i am not doing this for attention as your thinking again taking my words and twisting it. I said that seeing this many king fans agree with each other (and disagreeing with me) was a rare for this board and a good thing. Two totally different things.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
again twist away this is fine. King was playing more mins then Pearson before pearson was out with injury So think what you want the point stand before he was out. He was getting 2nd most mins. Less then a full shift difference is not what i'm talking about and as said can be argued as when he had to get off he couldn't because of where the play was King was over a min difference this is not do to where the play was . We will see where he plays and doesn't play in the future. My whole point of posting is being overlooked due to my perceived hating of king. People were saying he was sparking the 3rd line when he clearly played more mins then Pearson and to me that would make him 2nd line lw for that game.

No i am not doing this for attention as your thinking again taking my words and twisting it. I said that seeing this many king fans agree with each other (and disagreeing with me) was a rare for this board and a good thing. Two totally different things.
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I'm not twisting anything--that was a direct quote from you.

Fine, he sparked THIS GAME'S second line because Sutter recognized the hot hands and played them more--but he's been playing third line minutes for the last four years as evidenced above. You have facts in your face, no explaining them away. Unless you truly think that King is going to consistently play over Lucic and Pearson barring crazy circumstances like King being hot, Lucic or Pearson being ice cold, or injury.
 
Fishhead said:
Dwight King - Time on Ice per game

2011-2012 - 14:38, Ranked 8th among forwards
2012-2013 - 12:45, Ranked 9th among forwards
2013-2014 - 15:02, Ranked 8th among forwards
2014-2015 - 14:23, Ranked 8th among forwards

Pretty consistent for total ice time. He rarely sees PP time and plays on the 3rd PK unit. His 5v5 numbers have increased from 8th to 5 or 6, while Stoll and Richards were crapping the bed.

It's apparent that Sutter trusts King, but he's not getting special teams time in addition to his regular shifts. Rather, he's used to fill in for guys on shifts that have been on the PK/PP.

Saying that Dwight King, in his career, has ever seen 2nd line minutes outside of the short term is a complete fallacy. Even when he was filling in for injuries he was never higher than 8th for total ice time.
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Try dealing with it position by position not as a forward group. Also you said it yourself pp time and pk will raise other forwards (mostly our centers for them years as they got time on the point or at wing ) Stoll and richards took a lot of time on pp and lewis took alot of pk time raising there ice time I am will to bet 5 on 5 time looks alot different in them last couple years.

Also playing in the top six because there is injuries or not he still playing who cares why hes doing it. Stop making excuses as to why and say it how it was ffs people ( not picking on u for say but all )
 
Brad Doty said:
I'm not twisting anything--that was a direct quote from you.

Fine, he sparked THIS GAME'S second line because Sutter recognized the hot hands and played them more--but he's been playing third line minutes for the last four years as evidenced above. You have facts in your face, no explaining them away. Unless you truly think that King is going to consistently play over Lucic and Pearson barring crazy circumstances like King being hot, Lucic or Pearson being ice cold, or injury.
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How the hell can you say he played 3rd line mins last year when he clearly played over 14 mins a game ( a average 2nd line mins) in 51 games last year and played most of his mins with Carter and toffoli Clearly your wrong. I was only talking about that game and his sparking the "3rd line " not sure what you don't get in that.Also with sutter anything is possible so i wouldn't put money on anything happening.

As a matter of fact thinking about it. Betting on King getting more mins then Pearson the rest of the year is not a bad bet to me. Only way i don't see it happening is if king gets traded (one of our lw s are imo)
 
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I don't like to see fellow kings fans bickering.

Can't we all just point and laugh at the Canucks instead?
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Nah everyone in here has their favourites and i have one player i would like to see play less ( note not trade play less). I also have a dislike of calling a player something when hes something else. If that's a obsession then so be it not the worst thing in the world
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Yes it is an obsession, and it is the worst thing in the world.
 
Winger23 said:
King is the third line left wing end of story.
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and thats the bottom line cause winger23 said so ........ :sarcasm: Not for whatever reason was he still was our 2nd line lw last year People need to stop making excuses that it was only because of Pearson injury. Go compare the mins when pearson was still healthy King was getting more.
 
Does anyone have a breakdown of ice time by period? By the third period, the game was effectively a blowout. So a disparate amount of ice time in the third period would be telling.

Couldn't Sutter have decided to rest his top two lines? We see it all the time in the NBA. A game is a blowout so the top players get rested and the bench ends up with more playing time than the starters.

It was the second game of a back to back - middle of a three in four on the road. Guys are hurt and the king/lewis/brown line was playing well.

I can completely see a third line getting second line minutes.
 
Stimpythecat said:
Does anyone have a breakdown of ice time by period? By the third period, the game was effectively a blowout. So a disparate amount of ice time in the third period would be telling.

Couldn't Sutter have decided to rest his top two lines? We see it all the time in the NBA. A game is a blowout so the top players get rested and the bench ends up with more playing time than the starters.

It was the second game of a back to back - middle of a three in four on the road. Guys are hurt and the king/lewis/brown line was playing well.

I can completely see a third line getting second line minutes.
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I totally agree and have said that he was resting Pearson and Gaborik most likely It doesn't change my point that king lewis and brown were our 2nd line for that game. People are taking my points to seriously like i'm knocking him bad. I'm just calling things like i see them and is see a player player in 2nd place in ice time by over a min as playing 2lw mins not 3rd thats my point thats it thats all
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
and thats the bottom line cause winger23 said so ........ :sarcasm: Not for whatever reason was he still was our 2nd line lw last year People need to stop making excuses that it was only because of Pearson injury. Go compare the mins when pearson was still healthy King was getting more.
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You do realize the Kings did not have Lucic and that Pearson was out for a large chunk of the season?

But whatever, it's almost not worth arguing, you think a guy who hasn't scored a goal in his last 43 regular season games should be getting more icetime than King.
 
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