LAK 5 : EDM 2 - King me!

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You do realize the Kings did not have Lucic and that Pearson was out for a large chunk of the season?

But whatever, it's almost not worth arguing, you think a guy who hasn't scored a goal in his last 43 regular season games should be getting more icetime than King.

Herby Gaborik was the number one lw last year. King was playing more then Pearson when pearson was still playing. Go look it up cause i know ur not going to believe that. So saying he only got mins cause Pearson was out is flat out wrong. Also saying that he only played there because there is a injury is a excuse he still played it the reason why i have never and will never get into because it is what it is. People want to think hes still a bottom 6 player playing top is wrong hes played 51 games there last year makes him a ineffective top 6 lw that should be bottom 6 and thats all im trying to get at.
 
Sutter FAILED last year riding Stoll/Brown/Williams. He was unable to get the team to the playoffs.

This year the Pacific is a dumpster fire. So the team doesn't really need anything out of Sutter. Good thing too because after last year Sutter had a hard time figuring out he needed to step up.

BTW, I've seen the adjustments Sutter makes when his back is up against the wall, like 0-3 against the Sharks. The bigger question for me is why the **** did Nolan start with Carter/Toffoli? Why the **** wasn't Pearson tried with those guys in the regular season? Why was the first time it was put together in the playoffs? The answer is Sutter's ********. The more frustrating part is he can actually figure it out, but only when forced to because his backs against the wall. He has the capacity for abstract thought, but fails to use it on a regular basis. :)

Edit: God it feels good to rip on Sutter again. Really missed that with the Pacific being garbage.

Sutter forgot more about hockey tnan you and most everyone else here will ever know.
 
Herby Gaborik was the number one lw last year. King was playing more then Pearson when pearson was still playing. Go look it up cause i know ur not going to believe that. So saying he only got mins cause Pearson was out is flat out wrong. Also saying that he only played there because there is a injury is a excuse he still played it the reason why i have never and will never get into because it is what it is. People want to think hes still a bottom 6 player playing top is wrong hes played 51 games there last year makes him a ineffective top 6 lw that should be bottom 6 and thats all im trying to get at.

Okay let's concede he played 51 games there--how about the rest of his entire career? Is it not pretty clear that when we aren't injured or players aren't struggling that King is a 3LW based on icetime, role, and literally who he skates with? Or are you just going to sit on the argument that because he played the 2nd most minutes of Kings LWs last season alone that he's a 2LW?

The bigger point is, why does it matter so much to you if we're successful doing so, as we were the other night?
 
Okay let's concede he played 51 games there--how about the rest of his entire career? Is it not pretty clear that when we aren't injured or players aren't struggling that King is a 3LW based on icetime, role, and literally who he skates with? Or are you just going to sit on the argument that because he played the 2nd most minutes of Kings LWs last season alone that he's a 2LW?

The bigger point is, why does it matter so much to you if we're successful doing so, as we were the other night?

Finally some head way this this madness Ok from when he first got here His first game i seem to remember he played with kopitar. Then our depth at lw sucked so bad he ended up playing with richards i believe So with them thoughts i will say he played alot of top six before last year. It seemed that dean had to go out and get better lws to push him down the depth chart. aka penner and gaborik but both years he played top mins i recall At that point however there wasn't much depth in the organization so it was the best we had.

Sorry hit return there My point is hes a bottom 6 winger that played to much in the top 6. I also think its possible that he will get more mins then Pearson as he is trusted and Pearson isn't. Now with concern to your bigger point. I think King playing more mins then Pearson is bad for for his development in the long run. Pearson is the future lw not king imo. Now you keep bringing up how successful we were. You do realize it was against edmonton the 3rd worse team in the league and been there for years. Not exactly a hard measuring stick .
 
Finally some head way this this madness Ok from when he first got here His first game i seem to remember he played with kopitar. Then our depth at lw sucked so bad he ended up playing with richards i believe So with them thoughts i will say he played alot of top six before last year. It seemed that dean had to go out and get better lws to push him down the depth chart. aka penner and gaborik but both years he played top mins i recall At that point however there wasn't much depth in the organization so it was the best we had.

Sorry hit return there My point is hes a bottom 6 winger that played to much in the top 6. I also think its possible that he will get more mins then Pearson as he is trusted and Pearson isn't. Now with concern to your bigger point. I think King playing more mins then Pearson is bad for for his development in the long run. Pearson is the future lw not king imo. Now you keep bringing up how successful we were. You do realize it was against edmonton the 3rd worse team in the league and been there for years. Not exactly a hard measuring stick .

You can say that, but you're speculating, and you're flat out wrong. Unless you're arguing against yourself, because if you go by averages and season icetime, King has always gotten 3rd line minutes. If you're saying he's a top sixer because he's been bumped up and down because of injuries and play, then you're contradicting what you said earlier. You're also speculating that he's going to get more ice time hurting Pearsons development but you have literally no reason to believe that other than you feel like it. Last season Pearson was hurt for much of it and we didn't have Lucic, and King rotated into the top six because of uneven play by others as well as injuries. Really though using the **** show that was 2014 as a barometer of anything that came before and after is a major issue when trying to project where a guy is.

In addition to what was posted above, here's a summary of King's career thus far:

2012--you may be forgetting Gagne's injury making this an issue, but Gagne-Penner-Brown were all playing LW ahead of King on the depth chart. 8th most TOI/G amongst forwards, Gagne and Brown ahead, Penner only seconds behind.

2013--Again behind Gagne-Penner-Brown, but both Gagne and Penner spent time being hurt. 9th most TOI/G amongst forwards, same situation as previous season.

2014--Lined up behind Brown, smattering of Pearson/Gaborik/Carcillo ahead of him, got more minutes as we were figuring out the roster for much of the season with rookies like TT/TP and even Linden Vey, but still 8th most TOI/G amongst forwards, and when Gaborik was here, there wasn't a question, Gaborik, Pearson were ahead of him and sometimes Brown though this is when Brown hopped wings frequently.

2015--we know the story here, nightmare season, Pearson injury, but he STILL got the 8th most icetime amongst forwards, everyone masqueraded as top sixers as one point, including Trevor Lewis.

This season--one game sample size but guess what--even if he played more than others the other night, he STILL ends up with an average of the 9th ice time amongst forwards, showing if anything, we have more depth than before and there's LESS reason to worry that he'll be a top sixer with Lucic and Pearson CLEARLY over him and the potential for Gaborik/Brown et. al. to jump up into a scoring role if someone on a wing gets hurt.

Let's put this myth to bed. You've been debunked several times over across several threads. Trevor Lewis has the same versatility to pop up and down in the lineup as the game situation dictates; that's ALL King has done outside of a short stint higher last year dictated by injury and gameplay situations. He's a trustworthy guy that you can put out in any situation, and his icetime being middle of the pack proves it.
 
You can say that, but you're speculating, and you're flat out wrong. Unless you're arguing against yourself, because if you go by averages and season icetime, King has always gotten 3rd line minutes. If you're saying he's a top sixer because he's been bumped up and down because of injuries and play, then you're contradicting what you said earlier. You're also speculating that he's going to get more ice time hurting Pearsons development but you have literally no reason to believe that other than you feel like it. Last season Pearson was hurt for much of it and we didn't have Lucic, and King rotated into the top six because of uneven play by others as well as injuries. Really though using the **** show that was 2014 as a barometer of anything that came before and after is a major issue when trying to project where a guy is.

In addition to what was posted above, here's a summary of King's career thus far:

2012--you may be forgetting Gagne's injury making this an issue, but Gagne-Penner-Brown were all playing LW ahead of King on the depth chart. 8th most TOI/G amongst forwards, Gagne and Brown ahead, Penner only seconds behind.

2013--Again behind Gagne-Penner-Brown, but both Gagne and Penner spent time being hurt. 9th most TOI/G amongst forwards, same situation as previous season.

2014--Lined up behind Brown, smattering of Pearson/Gaborik/Carcillo ahead of him, got more minutes as we were figuring out the roster for much of the season with rookies like TT/TP and even Linden Vey, but still 8th most TOI/G amongst forwards, and when Gaborik was here, there wasn't a question, Gaborik, Pearson were ahead of him and sometimes Brown though this is when Brown hopped wings frequently.

2015--we know the story here, nightmare season, Pearson injury, but he STILL got the 8th most icetime amongst forwards, everyone masqueraded as top sixers as one point, including Trevor Lewis.

This season--one game sample size but guess what--even if he played more than others the other night, he STILL ends up with an average of the 9th ice time amongst forwards, showing if anything, we have more depth than before and there's LESS reason to worry that he'll be a top sixer with Lucic and Pearson CLEARLY over him and the potential for Gaborik/Brown et. al. to jump up into a scoring role if someone on a wing gets hurt.

Let's put this myth to bed. You've been debunked several times over across several threads. Trevor Lewis has the same versatility to pop up and down in the lineup as the game situation dictates; that's ALL King has done outside of a short stint higher last year dictated by injury and gameplay situations. He's a trustworthy guy that you can put out in any situation, and his icetime being middle of the pack proves it.

Who care why he played it your making excuses when he does. Bottom line is hes played there as much or more then in the bottom six. I have not been debunked at all my point is valid Your the one making this about his career and i this debate start about this one game I went back to prove he played last year in the top six that's is really all i need to do I proved u wrong on that point. I don't care why he played it only that he did play it. I will stick to my point if u want to change what ur using to against it go ahead. However this does not debunk anything only makes my position stronger as u keep changing the parameters to suit yourself

As far as hurting Pearson development how does it not? Having him out there in all situation would increase his scoring imo and improve his play Pearson has a hell of a lot higher ceiling and needs to play to achieve it

In all your scenarios you admit hes played in the top 6 because of injuries so i'm supposed to let it go cause of injuries he still got mins on the top two lines. If i have to go thru his entire career game by game i will but i shouldn't have to

I think you may find this helpful to look at http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8474100&view=log&season=20132014 its his game by game mins for two seasons ago A lot more games over 14 mins then under even a few over 20 How is that not top 6 mins
 
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I think you may find this helpful to look at http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8474100&view=log&season=20132014 its his game by game mins for two seasons ago A lot more games over 14 mins then under even a few over 20 How is that not top 6 mins

So you're saying the Kings have 9 top 6 forwards this year? Because this year, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Lucic, Brown, Gaborik, Lewis, Pearson, and King all average 14+ minutes a game.

Last year, 9 forwards averaged 14+ minutes/game: Kopitar, Gaborik, Brown, Carter, Williams, Stoll, Toffoli, King, and Lewis.

The year before that? 7 forwards averaged 15+ minutes a game: Kopitar, Carter, Gaborik, Richards, Williams, Stoll, Brown, King.

So... instead of looking at just his minutes and assuming you know his role, how about you look at his ice time relative to other forwards on the team? And are you going to say Lewis is a top six forward as well? Was Stoll (lol) a top six forward last year?
 
So you're saying the Kings have 9 top 6 forwards this year? Because this year, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Lucic, Brown, Gaborik, Lewis, Pearson, and King all average 14+ minutes a game.

Last year, 9 forwards averaged 14+ minutes/game: Kopitar, Gaborik, Brown, Carter, Williams, Stoll, Toffoli, King, and Lewis.

The year before that? 7 forwards averaged 15+ minutes a game: Kopitar, Carter, Gaborik, Richards, Williams, Stoll, Brown, King.

So... instead of looking at just his minutes and assuming you know his role, how about you look at his ice time relative to other forwards on the team? And are you going to say Lewis is a top six forward as well? Was Stoll (lol) a top six forward last year?


Your confusing top six forward and top 6 lw Alot of the centers got extra time on pp and special teams Putting them at more mins then King I maintain my stance that king was playing top six lw
 
Your confusing top six forward and top 6 lw Alot of the centers got extra time on pp and special teams Putting them at more mins then King I maintain my stance that king was playing top six lw

I'm done. You've conceded absolutely nothing despite the overwhelming evidence countering your stance. Enjoy arguing with everyone else.
 
I'm done. You've conceded absolutely nothing despite the overwhelming evidence countering your stance. Enjoy arguing with everyone else.

how is adding players that are not lw wings into the conversation evidence against what i said I have been talking top 6 lw mins players playing other positions do not count despite whatever mins they play they are not playing more then King at lw. Again people compare apples to apples
 
how is adding players that are not lw wings into the conversation evidence against what i said I have been talking top 6 lw mins players playing other positions do not count despite whatever mins they play they are not playing more then King at lw. Again people compare apples to apples
I've always considered myself to be a granny smith apple.
 
Sutter forgot more about hockey tnan you and most everyone else here will ever know.

Problem is when he forgets how to make the playoffs. :laugh:

This year the Pacific is a joke so Sutter can Sutter all he like during the regular season.
 
Problem is when he forgets how to make the playoffs. :laugh:

This year the Pacific is a joke so Sutter can Sutter all he like during the regular season.

Good thing he's only missed the playoffs twice in a fifteen year coaching career

On the list of things to complain about Sutter has to be close to last. It's fun to discuss his decisions sometimes but to actually complain about his results is myopic.
 
Good thing he's only missed the playoffs twice in a fifteen year coaching career

On the list of things to complain about Sutter has to be close to last. It's fun to discuss his decisions sometimes but to actually complain about his results is myopic.

Agreed. I don't always understand his lineup decisions, but the results speak for themselves. He's probably the best cerebral motivator in the entire league. He knows how to get into guys heads and light a fire. That's the only reason we beat Chicago in 2014.
 

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