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me after looking at the Habs board

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Johnny Utah said:
My seats are glass behind the visitors bench and I'll be honest the Canadians, though having a ****** year are very focused and together as a team.

I noticed PK had his arm around Byron during a stoppage.
Max P was always standing on the bench and it seemed like he was playing the whole game.

Too bad Price is hurt and they are having a bad year seems like they are a close knit team. I saw ex NHL scrapper Daniel Lacroix, who is the assistant coach drawing up plays too. The whole bench and coaches and players talk a lot compared to most others. Sucks they aren't in the playoffs.

Those jerseys give me chills because of 93. The players must feel a lot of pride and pressure wearing those jerseys though.
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that's what happens when you do not change your brand every decade.

I don't think it is too bad they are not in the playoffs as I am excited to see what the young panthers can do and I am not sure who I would replace that is already in there..maybe Detroit.
 
"With the win, Los Angeles improved to 32-89-20 all-time against Montreal" LA kings insider

One small step...ouch no wonder I hate when LA play montreal. 2-0 this year at least
 
Shouldn't they be pissed at PK? His ******* around led directly to our game winning goal by King. And being on the ice for 29 minutes to have the other team outshoot your team by two times can't be a good sign either.
 
Delicate Genius said:
Just looked at the Habs board... Dude got ripped to shreds. I mean, what does he know about hockey, right? I doubt he even has an account on HF.
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I don't check out other boards all that much, but my god, the insults that are hurled back and forth over there... :laugh:

This board is like church compared to that place.
 
HABS fans take **** seriously.

PK donates millions to charities and hospitals. He is an amazing athlete and role model. Doesn't mean he is the best athlete.

Any team would be lucky to have him.
 
Jeff18 said:
Shouldn't they be pissed at PK? His ******* around led directly to our game winning goal by King. And being on the ice for 29 minutes to have the other team outshoot your team by two times can't be a good sign either.
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To be fair, you can't judge a player based on one bad game or mess up on a play. Doughty has had his share of goof ups (although it is extremely rare for him to have an overall bad game).
 
Johnny Utah said:
My seats are glass behind the visitors bench and I'll be honest the Canadians, though having a ****** year are very focused and together as a team.
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I got that same impression watching the Road to the Winter Classic series as well. Kind of shocked they have stumbled as bad as they have.
 
AlphaBravo said:
To be fair, you can't judge a player based on one bad game or mess up on a play. Doughty has had his share of goof ups (although it is extremely rare for him to have an overall bad game).
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Well, to be fair, Subban had a goal and an assist to, but also a game killing turnover, and was the Habs worst CF% player. That last part is a function of minutes and having to be "the guy," but his 'problem' is flashiness--it draws attention to his good AND bad plays, but the rest of the time, he's not necessarily being effective. He was doing a lot of stick swinging and roaming on D last night (probably trying to create). AND he's playing on a very systematic team so breaking that structure has to give his coach aneurysms...

To be fair again we've seen him be excellent when the team is better, so a lot of his current issues are due to having to carry an offensive load (much like Karlsson)--but that doesn't make him exempt from criticism, it just gives context.

That's what I take from Max's quotes, too--DD isn't trying to be a superhero, he's just making subtle awesome plays that make life hard for the opposition and easy for everyone on his team, buying time and space and blasting players as they enter the zone. Unfortunately for PK, he has to be a superhero right now. I guess he COULD just 'buy in' and fade away with the rest of the team but he's trying this hard this far into the messed up season and that's admirable.

I guess all in all I'm saying Subban and Doughty are VERY comparable, probably the closest in style amongst the top-5 d-men--both physical, both can take over on either end, can break a game wide open offensively or defensively, PK is just a tad more offensive, Drew a tad more defensive.

ANd last night in particular Drew was taking it easy, heh. Low minutes, looked pretty low-effort all night.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Well, to be fair, Subban had a goal and an assist to, but also a game killing turnover, and was the Habs worst CF% player. That last part is a function of minutes and having to be "the guy," but his 'problem' is flashiness--it draws attention to his good AND bad plays, but the rest of the time, he's not necessarily being effective. He was doing a lot of stick swinging and roaming on D last night (probably trying to create). AND he's playing on a very systematic team so breaking that structure has to give his coach aneurysms...

To be fair again we've seen him be excellent when the team is better, so a lot of his current issues are due to having to carry an offensive load (much like Karlsson)--but that doesn't make him exempt from criticism, it just gives context.

That's what I take from Max's quotes, too--DD isn't trying to be a superhero, he's just making subtle awesome plays that make life hard for the opposition and easy for everyone on his team, buying time and space and blasting players as they enter the zone. Unfortunately for PK, he has to be a superhero right now. I guess he COULD just 'buy in' and fade away with the rest of the team but he's trying this hard this far into the messed up season and that's admirable.

I guess all in all I'm saying Subban and Doughty are VERY comparable, probably the closest in style amongst the top-5 d-men--both physical, both can take over on either end, can break a game wide open offensively or defensively, PK is just a tad more offensive, Drew a tad more defensive.

ANd last night in particular Drew was taking it easy, heh. Low minutes, looked pretty low-effort all night.
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I agree that DD and Subban are somewhat comparable as far as style of play. The critical difference, which you point out, is that Subban takes those dangerous chances more often than DD. However, the gaff that lead to King's goal didn't involve Subban pinching in low and being reckless. It was just a gaff that we have seen all great defensemen make every once in a while.
 
I thought Montreal's play was all over the place. Even when they played better from second period on, it's just kind of a speedy mess. It gave a player like Schenn several opportunities to join the offense. The Schenn McNabb pair ended up playing better than I thought they would. Is the Scuderi DD pairing going to hold up? I thought DD was more tentative playing with him. I don't know if that's good or bad. Hard game to really judge anything on. 3 goals, and all not what u see too often. Broken skate, faceoff play, and brutal turnover. On other nights, this still might have been the one or none.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I guess all in all I'm saying Subban and Doughty are VERY comparable, probably the closest in style amongst the top-5 d-men--both physical, both can take over on either end, can break a game wide open offensively or defensively, PK is just a tad more offensive, Drew a tad more defensive.
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To this day, Mike Babcock still has the most accurate and truthful statements about Doughty. "He’s just better and smarter than everybody else"..."What I like about him is when he creates offense it’s not foolish. He’s not a risk-taker, he’s a game-breaker. And so he waits for the right times and he can play against the best people defensively".

I cut out the touched by God stuff, but the above is why he's the best. Drew is relatively low-risk and is still high reward. The other guys can be (and are) exploited routinely. Doughty's highlight to lowlight ratio is much higher than his contemporaries. Those guys might have better offensive instincts, but hockey instincts? Nope. He's just as likely to have a highlight reel play in the defensive zone than the offensive one.
 
AlphaBravo said:
I agree that DD and Subban are somewhat comparable as far as style of play. The critical difference, which you point out, is that Subban takes those dangerous chances more often than DD. However, the gaff that lead to King's goal didn't involve Subban pinching in low and being reckless. It was just a gaff that we have seen all great defensemen make every once in a while.
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I agree it's just a 'gaffe,' but the problem is he just got criticized for making the same gaffe what, a week ago?

If you repeatedly fall down, maybe you shouldn't be in those situations.

I get it that one has to take chances sometimes but the 'all defensemen make mistakes' narrative (not by you) is just an excuse made to make repetitive faults. "Falling down" is an excusable mistake, sure; I gave McNabb a pass for it in the first OTtawa game. Then he did it again. Then again. Then suddenly, we lost three games because McNabb wasn't 'making mistakes' he just couldn't stay on his feet in critical situations. That's a problem even if it's not one chalked up to sheer ability.

And don't get me wrong, I'm overall agreeing with you, and I think that if Subban wasn't keeping people honest by trying things like that he wouldn't be the player he is; I'm just remarking that people overlook Doughty because he VERY RARELY gets caught in a mess like that, especially one that pretty much directly loses the game.
 
AlphaBravo said:
To be fair, you can't judge a player based on one bad game or mess up on a play. Doughty has had his share of goof ups (although it is extremely rare for him to have an overall bad game).
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I agree, I only meant they should be mad at him for losing this one game. Subban does make dumb mistakes frequently though.
 
Anaheim just called up Wagner just as we got news of Nolan's back surgery.

Get ready to get pushed around some more on Sat.
 
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