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Is Leon Draisaitl Gonna Break Nathan MacKinnon's Hart?

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Toby91ca said:
Well...my assumption, which I pointed out, was that most star players will definitely be out at the end when the other team's goalie is pulled, same goes for when their goalie is pulled. All things being equal though, I suggested they'd likely stay out longer with their net empty than the other way around as you'd get more tired trying to defend....but also, needing to stay out because you need to be there to try and score when your net is empty, you don't really need to be there against an empty net, others can pick up that slack.

Anyway, rather than assume, I just looked up the stats. Draisaitl has been on the ice, protecting the lead with the other team's net empty for a total of 19:52.....the flip to that, on with his goalie pulled, he's been out for 33:30.
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so in those 33 minutes of time with his goalie pulled, he has 3 goals shooting against a goalie, and in the 20 minutes of protecting a lead with the oppositions net empty he has 2 goals. It's very obviously much easier to score when there's no goalie in the net which DOES make this an impressive stat.
 
BertMcDrai said:
Nearly everything you posted happens to every team every year...that must be the worst collection of excuses I ever saw...but that's not the problem.

MacK has fallen off a cliff since playing not with Rantanen and the production of Necas is exactly the same this season as before the trade and this including tonight's game where both finally got some points together.
Every star forward needs a good player to play with and MacK is not a exception (that's nothing to be ashamed of as every top forward in the league needs some line support)
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has this happened to drai?

can you point out any of the equivalent storylines oilers had to go through?

i dont recall edm shipping out BOTH their goalies, calvin pickard is ....14-4 as a backup...real similar to what the avs had lol

how is playing the full year without a competent 2nd line center a terrible excuse? im not using it as an excuse im using it as a reason why Mack is hart caliber yet again. Do you really think if Mack goes down right now the Avs make the playoffs with Mittelstadt as their no1?
 
avsfan2189 said:
has this happened to drai?

can you point out any of the equivalent storylines oilers had to go through?

i dont recall edm shipping out BOTH their goalies, calvin pickard is ....14-4 as a backup...real similar to what the avs had lol

how is playing the full year without a competent 2nd line center a terrible excuse? im not using it as an excuse im using it as a reason why Mack is hart caliber yet again. Do you really think if Mack goes down right now the Avs make the playoffs with Mittelstadt as their no1?
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Empty net points make this look way closer than it is. Draisaitl is blowing Mack out of the water this year in every statistical category. He's been the far better goal scorer, far better point producer against goalies, and significantly better defensive player.

Mack will be a finalist, but he doesn't deserve a single first place vote.
 
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avsfan2189 said:
has this happened to drai?

can you point out any of the equivalent storylines oilers had to go through?

i dont recall edm shipping out BOTH their goalies, calvin pickard is ....14-4 as a backup...real similar to what the avs had lol

how is playing the full year without a competent 2nd line center a terrible excuse? im not using it as an excuse im using it as a reason why Mack is hart caliber yet again. Do you really think if Mack goes down right now the Avs make the playoffs with Mittelstadt as their no1?
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Pickard is 14-4 with a .901 let's not pretend he's carrying the Oilers, Oil are just a dominant puck posession team that doesn't need amazing goal tending to win. Avs goalies were a tire fire before for sure, but the team was also giving up loads of high danger chances and not insulating them.
 
Leon has been the favorite the whole season. MVP of the league for sure!! McDavid is a great player, but he's not on the level of Draisaitl this season (and some past seasons too). MacKinnon and Kucherov are not close to the level of Draisaitl. For all those who say Draisaitl can't win with McDavid on the same team.. You could say the same thing that MacKinnon can't win with Makar on the same team.
 
McFlyingV said:
Empty net points make this look way closer than it is. Draisaitl is blowing Mack out of the water this year in every statistical category. He's been the far better goal scorer, far better point producer against goalies, and significantly better defensive player.

Mack will be a finalist, but he doesn't deserve a single first place vote.
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Wild stat I saw yesterday:

Draisaitl has more goals (3) with the Oilers goalie pulled than he does with the opposition goalie pulled (2)
 
I think it’s neck and neck at this point tbh. Will likely come down to which guy wins the Art Ross as there’s usually a strong correlation between the 2 trophies.
 
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