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Yup! IIRC Quick is a top five shootout goalie ever, statistically, right up there with MAF and Brodeur. Stoll was awesome too. Seems like 25 years ago.
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Ziggy Stardust
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I still lose it every time I hear this song.
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That comment and video is amazing. Beavis and Butthead also approve.
TheSentinel
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That was awesome, Was kinda hoping the Lucic chest bumping Marty would have been the first off the bench.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Lucic lurking in the weeds for the Marty chest bump killed me live but the social media team pumped it up more
KingNothing4
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My biannual check of his +/- in the league? #719 out of #734 in the league at -10... Minus Forever indeed.
Dude is 2nd worst for active players in their career (-120 currently), only bested by Lecavalier's -141. Only other three digit clubber is Gagner (-104). McClement will be there soon (-99). No one else is close.
cyclones22
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Just like in the Final in 2014. They got one breakaway by him, but Quick stopped a bunch of odd man rushes when things got scrambly in the 3rd and OT. Hell, his stop on Seabrook in the WCF got a lot of air time. And honestly, we're all getting a look at the Kings skill players when the system is less strict in 3 on 3. Surprise, league! Kings do have some skill.
KingsFan7824
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Toffoli has 1 goal on 37 shots in the last 12 games. When something similar happened last year after a hot start, the team sort of leveled off. So far this year, they're finding that extra goal somewhere. Or not giving up that extra goal, either way. And it's not like Toffoli isn't getting his quality chances.
Every point is just another point they don't have to worry about getting later in the year. Keep on keepin' on.
Every point is just another point they don't have to worry about getting later in the year. Keep on keepin' on.
Reclamation Project
Cut It All Right In Two
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You better remember that three of those games went to overtime and the Rangers won another. Rangers were in it all the way. Rangers were on the Kings level. Rangers are basically Cup champs.
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3v3 is great. Gives Quick an opportunity to show of his ability to make the tough saves. Also like that the 3v3 is helping the team on 4v4 during the game. 4v4's have been tough in the past because the Kings system is about slowing teams down. Switching to 4v4 the game plan didn't work as well because of the open ice and I used to be more afraid of the 4v4 in the playoffs then being on the PK.
Bob: Not trying to be a downer, but that win was all about Bob going out. It shows that if you sit back and play defense the Kings will just pepper with shots from around the outside. Kings got 1 goal off that during the game. Now the Kings are going to have a certain number of breakdowns during the game. Bad pinch, bad penalty, whatever, if the other team is patient and waits for their opportunities while staying at home and playing sound defense, they'll have a great chance at beating the Kings. Basically take away the Kings opportunities for fast break points and force them to earn it off the cycle.
Bob: Not trying to be a downer, but that win was all about Bob going out. It shows that if you sit back and play defense the Kings will just pepper with shots from around the outside. Kings got 1 goal off that during the game. Now the Kings are going to have a certain number of breakdowns during the game. Bad pinch, bad penalty, whatever, if the other team is patient and waits for their opportunities while staying at home and playing sound defense, they'll have a great chance at beating the Kings. Basically take away the Kings opportunities for fast break points and force them to earn it off the cycle.
If it was that simple to beat the Kings, teams would be doing it. It hasn't worked all year, really. No lead has been safe.
If you assert that Bob leaving was the reason the Kings won (and I agree), it's because he was making huge saves for them. That means the Kings certainly weren't shooting from the outside, but were generating some high quality chances.
To beat the Kings with a strategy like that, you not only have to play sound defense, but your goalie has to be on top of his game that night. Easier said than done, most teams don't have to quality to pull that off on a regular basis.
Winger23
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We must have watched different games. The kings controlled most of the game, more so than any other game this year. Bob was awesome, not sure what you expect when a good goalie is running hot.
The kings are a contender for the cup, i'm happy to see the team playing up to their potential during the regular season.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I've got an answer for you--your 'star' center is playing at wing and getting special treatment even though he's a grade a ***** and the rest of the roster is a bunch of hard-working dudes who have to put up with a primadonna. And bad defense.
I mean we say that around here all the time and I think there's enough evidence that you CAN do that in a one-off game vs. the Kings, but that's not anyone's 'system' (aside from last year's flames); you're effectively conceding the game and praying. All it shows us is your goalie has to put up .975 to win a game in which you're doubled- or tripled-up in shots, no one does that willfully for a long time, and people KNOW you can't do it in a 7-game series. I know what you're saying and I think when the Kings are in lulls they're guilty of stat-padding by shooting from everywhere and not getting to the net but I disagree that last night looked like that--last night was a Tortorella team (which we've historically struggled with, btw) which means no middle lanes available, they're basically set up to block anything from the points, which is a nightmare for our system. Remember when everyone was complaining about missing attempts during the game? That was why--no one forgot how to shoot and it's not like our point shooters have been stationary, I think they've all been fantastic (except McNabb, because of his general lack of agility/mobility) about moving along the line to create lanes this year.
After an uninspired first period, the Kings cranked it up. To have that kind of differential over two periods is pretty insane.
The Flames issue goes back for more then one year. The Kings are set up to slow the game down and limit offensive chances. When they meet another team that is doing something similar it's going to result in very few fast break points. This means point shots and rebounds. NHL goalies are great at stopping shots they're set for and NHL defenders are good at clearing the front. I'm wondering how many teams it is a hot goalie vs the Kings making the goalie look like he's playing out of his mind by the large volume of low % shots.
I also disagree with playing that style won't work over a 7 game series. It's been a while, but isn't that pretty much what the Kings did against Van in the playoffs? I remember them being hemmed in their zone and capitalizing on opportunities when they arose. Like Brown's short handed goals.
As far as the goalie that's needed... all you need is a large backup goalie that relies on position/size to make saves. If you have a better goalie that's cool, but how many times have we seen a large back up goalie shut down the Kings offense?
Shot attempts really? If the team didn't have guys like Lewis/Shore/Brown, that generate huge numbers of shots without creating actual chances, then you should first correct the stat by subtracting say Shore/Brown's shots from it, or at least adding a correction term and say drop their shots by 50%. In no way should you use shots that aren't even on net to show domination. There are some guys on the team that have chronic issues with missing the net. Weighting a Lewis shot wide as a positive for offense the same as a Carter shot on net is a huge issue with the fancy numbers.
I also disagree with playing that style won't work over a 7 game series. It's been a while, but isn't that pretty much what the Kings did against Van in the playoffs? I remember them being hemmed in their zone and capitalizing on opportunities when they arose. Like Brown's short handed goals.
As far as the goalie that's needed... all you need is a large backup goalie that relies on position/size to make saves. If you have a better goalie that's cool, but how many times have we seen a large back up goalie shut down the Kings offense?
Shot attempts really? If the team didn't have guys like Lewis/Shore/Brown, that generate huge numbers of shots without creating actual chances, then you should first correct the stat by subtracting say Shore/Brown's shots from it, or at least adding a correction term and say drop their shots by 50%. In no way should you use shots that aren't even on net to show domination. There are some guys on the team that have chronic issues with missing the net. Weighting a Lewis shot wide as a positive for offense the same as a Carter shot on net is a huge issue with the fancy numbers.
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That's great, and all but Kings don't win without Bob going out of the game. You can argue that it was a hot goalie, but I've see that way too many times and seen the Kings sustain extremely low shooting % to still believe, "It's just a hot goalie." There's a problem, fix it.
KopitarFAN
Reno Sucks!
Will stay 5 on 5. In the past, with 4 on 4, it has stayed 5 on 5 so I assume that remains.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Don't have the chance to go back and look now but the Kings-Canucks series was roughly even for the most part, especially after the first game. You're misremembering and no, it wasn't even remotely like the Calgary 'system' of collapsing and praying from last year.
The backup goalie thing is largely a meme and most teams actually have the same issues--there's a reason a lot of backups have a high save percentage than even elite starters (Cam Talbot anyone?).
And yes, really, use shot attempts as a proxy for possession/zone time dominance. Look above you; L.A. is literally off the chart. CBJ did largely nothing after the first period. Just like every other team, they get a few dangerous chances, mostly on the rush because we're just crushing them at the other end. And taking Lewis/Shore/Brown off is a funny complaint being 1. Lewis didn't play last night and 2. Martinez actually led the team. I get what you're saying about 'all shots aren't created equal' but that's not what that's intended to measure.
You're completely downplaying the Kings' CF% dominance, especially considering the teams they've been playing. Kings are at a godly 57.3% on the season. Next closest is Nashville at 55% then it falls off sharply from there. That's a significant margin. And, that's with a 98.91 PDO, 24th in the league; for historical perspective, last year the Kings finished at 100.11, 2013-14 at 100.03, then 99.07; you could argue that some of our shooters will keep that on the low end, but even extremely low for this team historically is higher than where we are at now...point is, what you're seeing right now is not smoke and mirrors, this is a legitimately terrifying team to play against despite having almost league bottom 'luck' percentages, so suggesting there's a problem to 'fix' from that standpoint is like trying to figure out where to get your next million after you win the lottery.
I don't think you can say that definitively about Bob. And it was a hot goalie coming in too, not just in the context of the game. We know the Kings will have a low-ish shooting percentage, but you're underemphasizing HOW low. I know for a fact I've seen the team, at least prior to last night's 3rd-game-in-4-nights, take the puck to the net more and harder than last year, and they try more risky plays than they used to; how often does the play simply die on the cycle in comparison to before?
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Buddy The Elf
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Except that is not what happened. I distinctly remember Martinez hitting a post towards the end of the game as he drove the center of the ice. There were a couple of deflections from the center of the ice. Columbus WAS sitting back and for that reason you could tell that the Kings were going to eventually score. They only way they weren’t was the buy between the pipes playing out of his mind and also getting lucky in a few instances.
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Re: Kings getting lucky in 3 v 3 – doing what the Ducks did in one goal games last year
I’ve seen it posted a few times that the Kings are getting lucky winning in 3 v 3 and that they can’t sustain that. There may be a slice of truth to that. But I think the difference between the Kings and say the Ducks last year is the Kings are dominating most of these games they are eventually winning them in OT. Yeah, you’d like them to win them in regulation but this isn’t like Calgary where they are getting shelled the whole game only to pull a rabbit out of their hat over and over. It really is apples and oranges.
Yea, shot attempts. Or pick something else.
http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?mansit=3&scoresit=2&tab=3&seasongcode=2015201620410
Scoring chances graph looks the same. The Kings nearly doubled their Corsi For.
Look how many of the shots generated were near the center of the ice. Very few were from low scoring areas, those are high % areas. The Kings only had 13 missed shots last night. It's not like they are just tossing pucks at the net.
The Kings dominated every metric and it showed on the ice. Had their backup been in the entire game, that's a blowout.
Thank the heavens the Kings didn't trade Alec Martinez, and his said overpaid contract, for a bag of pucks or a useless 4th liner. I am not right often, but I sure was here. 
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Yep and the shot chart proves that. I agree there's a grain of truth in what Trolfoli is saying in the big picture, but certainly not lately, and absolutely not last night.
And re 3v3 yeah, we're grinding teams to a pulp, possession means even more in 3v3 ESPECIALLY due to the long change, it plays to our team's strengths, especially after shot attempting teams into the ground 2- and 3-to-1. It also helps that our talent is rising to the top, our top six is more talented than we sometimes give them credit for...really last year was the aberration, most of those games were over before we figured out our defensive assignments, haha.
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