Value of: Lafreniere Offer Sheet (1 year at $6.4M)

[gritdash60]

I think people overestimate the return what a high draft pick that's been shipped out would be, if a high draft pick is traded out it's a clear signal the team has given up and there will not be a haul coming back.

This is not in any way connected to saying Rangers would ship out Laf for free. Im just saying, when team is done with a prospect they are done, and not going for some haul if they still have faith in the prospect.

 

[blundluntman]

I must be too drunk to get what's going on here? 6.4M for Lafreniere??

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I must be too drunk to get what's going on here? 6.4M for Lafreniere?? View attachment 730761

It's a question on HF boards.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I must be too drunk to get what's going on here? 6.4M for Lafreniere?? View attachment 730761

Where are you right now?
What draft slot was Lafreniere taken in? There's your answer.

Also.. that's why offer sheets hardly ever happen. Signing a guy like Lafreniere to a "reasonable" number on an offer sheet gets it matched and your GM gets a nice steak dinner from the original team's GM for negotiating the contract for him.

 

[DearDiary]

I think the Rangers match this pretty easily and figure out the cap situation from there.

Lafrenière had 35 ES points in 81 games last year. And that includes his previous shooting percentage dropping by 8 points.

Anders Lee: 36 in 82 - $7m
Alex Debrincat: 36 in 82 - $7.875m
Blake Coleman: 36 in 82 - $4.9m
Andrew Copp: 36 in 82 - $5.625m
Anthony Beuavillier: 36 in 82 - $4.15m
Oliver Bjorkstrand: 35 in 81 - $5.125m
Joel Eriksson Ek: 35 in 78 - $5.25m
David Perron: 34 in 82 - $4.75m
Nino Neiderreiter: 34 in 78 - $4m
Bryan Rust: 34 in 81 - $5.125m
Conor Garland: 34 in 81 - $4.95m
Brandon Tanev: 34 in 82 - $3.5m

Average: $5.18m

$6.4m is UFA pay and an overpay even then, but not by so much that you let him go. Considering Lafrenière is will just be 22 in October and the team could expand his role... matching is a no-brainer.

0 points in 7 playoff games last year

What are the comparables? Rangers aren't paying Lafreniere to take naps on the bench

 

[Jumptheshark]

6.4 million?

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Yeah naw

that was my reaction as well

 

[Jumptheshark]

Where are you right now?
What draft slot was Lafreniere taken in? There's your answer.

Also.. that's why offer sheets hardly ever happen. Signing a guy like Lafreniere to a "reasonable" number on an offer sheet gets it matched and your GM gets a nice steak dinner from the original team's GM for negotiating the contract for him.

draft year + 3. Never topped 20 goals or 40 pts and does not drive the lines he gets bounced around to. At some point we stop point at where a player was drafted and what he has actually done. Also 6.4? That is the number that is throwing people off

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

draft year + 3. Never topped 20 goals or 40 pts and does not drive the lines he gets bounced around to. At some point we stop point at where a player was drafted and what he has actually done. Also 6.4? That is the number that is throwing people off

No I agree. I’m just saying. There will be people here that want Lafreniere really bad because of that one sick goal he scored in the WJC.

 

[IslesNorway]

Why on earth would anyone give $6.4 million to Lafreniere AND give up a 1st and 3rd to do so?? It's a fireable offence.

 

[blundluntman]

Where are you right now?
What draft slot was Lafreniere taken in? There's your answer.

Also.. that's why offer sheets hardly ever happen. Signing a guy like Lafreniere to a "reasonable" number on an offer sheet gets it matched and your GM gets a nice steak dinner from the original team's GM for negotiating the contract for him.

Regardless of where he was drafted, 6.4 for Lafreniere is insane. I don’t get why you’d even bother offer sheeting him, if I’m NY, i don’t match it and let MTL waste their money. Either team paying him that much is absurd

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Regardless of where he was drafted, 6.4 for Lafreniere is insane. I don’t get why you’d even bother offer sheeting him, if I’m NY, i don’t match it and let MTL waste their money. Either team paying him that much is absurd

Did Kotkianemi end up with a 6 mil long term? 1 year at 6.4 shouldn't be a problem for a bottom feeder. But no team that could finish near the bottom of the league is giving up their first and certainly not Montreal. A contender who is likely to have a late 1st could do it but then the 6.4 mil becomes a cap problem.

 

[Tawnos]

0 points in 7 playoff games last year

What are the comparables? Rangers aren't paying Lafreniere to take naps on the bench

This is a nonsense point for several reasons.

1) It was one bad playoff. He had a good one the year before playing as a 3rd liner.
2) Most of the Rangers forwards had a bad playoffs last year. 8 of 12 forwards had 2 5v5 points or less in the 7 games, including Zibanejad, Panarin, and Trocheck.
3) Point 2 is mostly about how the team quit on the coach (Gallant's own fault) after game 3. Lafrenière is not yet a leader on the team so he more or less just followed along.
4) He'll only be 22 this year. The reason you match is because you're expecting the player to grow. That includes more productivity in the playoffs, emerging as a more solid part of the core, and having more resilience. Is it a gamble with the possibility it doesn't happen? Of course, but it's less of a gamble than a 1st and 3rd ever even becoming what Lafrenière already is. It's a gamble you take every time, IMO.

 

[blundluntman]

Did Kotkianemi end up with a 6 mil long term? 1 year at 6.4 shouldn't be a problem for a bottom feeder. But no team that could finish near the bottom of the league is giving up their first and certainly not Montreal. A contender who is likely to have a late 1st could do it but then the 6.4 mil becomes a cap problem.

Yeah, the move doesn't make any sense regardless of who makes the offer, even if short term. It's a waste of picks or a waste of money. It'd have to be a move made of pure spite

 

[TGWL]

0 points in 7 playoff games last year

What are the comparables? Rangers aren't paying Lafreniere to take naps on the bench

Timo Meier, 0 points in 7 games in the first round? (This isn't a dig at Timo. He's a phenomenal player. but sometimes you can't really use these stats for a big LOL)

 

[Machinehead]

What are the comparables? Rangers aren't paying Lafreniere to take naps on the bench

Aren't they?

 

[TGWL]

draft year + 3. Never topped 20 goals or 40 pts and does not drive the lines he gets bounced around to. At some point we stop point at where a player was drafted and what he has actually done. Also 6.4? That is the number that is throwing people off

The 6.4 is clearly 1 year, so the amount of money shouldn't make a difference to teams that can afford it. It's the compensation that goes with the 6.4 that should make fans question whether it's worth it.

If my team was a bottom team, would I be ok with that offersheet, absolutely not. If I was confident in my team making the playoffs and cap hit wasn't a concern, yeah, I probably go for it and hope it pans out.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Timo Meier, 0 points in 7 games in the first round? (This isn't a dig at Timo. He's a phenomenal player. but sometimes you can't really use these stats for a big LOL)

But Timo basically led the playoffs in scoring chance creation in round 1 but Igor was the best player in the series. Laf was just a ghost.

I would much rather have my 1st round pick than Laf at that number if I was a bad team.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Regardless of where he was drafted, 6.4 for Lafreniere is insane. I don’t get why you’d even bother offer sheeting him, if I’m NY, i don’t match it and let MTL waste their money. Either team paying him that much is absurd

Ok cool? I’m not disagreeing that it’s a stupid move.

I’m saying that he’s a former 1OA who so many fans will delude themselves into thinking can be rebuild with a change of scenery to be what he was.

I was telling you why someone on HFboards would unironically push for Laf at 6.4M. I wouldn’t and you wouldn’t, and it’s crazy… but he ticks the marks for some of these crazy prospect mavens.

 

[LionsHeart]

0 points in 7 playoff games last year

What are the comparables? Rangers aren't paying Lafreniere to take naps on the bench

I’m extremely critical of Lafreniere, but that’s a small sample size.

You could just as easily look at the year before and make the opposite argument.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

This has gotta be the last desperation grasp from Rangers fans before they FINALLY accept reality and admit that Lafreniere is one of the top 2/3 worst first overall picks of all time.

It's getting sad at this point.

 

[hawksrule]

This is a nonsense point for several reasons.

1) It was one bad playoff. He had a good one the year before playing as a 3rd liner.
2) Most of the Rangers forwards had a bad playoffs last year. 8 of 12 forwards had 2 5v5 points or less in the 7 games, including Zibanejad, Panarin, and Trocheck.
3) Point 2 is mostly about how the team quit on the coach (Gallant's own fault) after game 3. Lafrenière is not yet a leader on the team so he more or less just followed along.
4) He'll only be 22 this year. The reason you match is because you're expecting the player to grow. That includes more productivity in the playoffs, emerging as a more solid part of the core, and having more resilience. Is it a gamble with the possibility it doesn't happen? Of course, but it's less of a gamble than a 1st and 3rd ever even becoming what Lafrenière already is. It's a gamble you take every time, IMO.

Lol, Montreal rolling the dice on their likely top-10 pick is not more of a gamble than paying 6.4mm and giving up a 1st and 3rd for a bad skater who in his third year in the league hasn’t cracked 40 points.

 

[TGWL]

This has gotta be the last desperation grasp from Rangers fans before they FINALLY accept reality and admit that Lafreniere is one of the top 2/3 worst first overall picks of all time.

It's getting sad at this point.

This wasn't made by a NYR fan. So, no, there's no desperation grasp here. The last thing we want is for a team to offersheet him and our organization not wanting to lose a #1 overall, thus making some stupid move to match.

 

[Malaka]

6.4 miiliom?

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Yeah naw

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Why would anyone offersheet Lafreniere. You lose valuable picks and have to overpay a pending bust. Then you lose him a year later when you don’t qualify him.

Lafreniere can’t skate. If he reached his potential (unlikely) he would top out as a Tyler Toffoli.

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Why would anyone offersheet Lafreniere. You lose valuable picks and have to overpay a pending bust. Then you lose him a year later when you don’t qualify him.

Lafreniere can’t skate. If he reached his potential (unlikely) he would top out as a Tyler Toffoli.

Mighty generous of you.

Toffoli had 30 goals in his 3rd full season, Laf has never come close to sniffing this.