Which is fine but New York isn’t going to accept less which is also fine
Value of: Lafrenière to Mtl
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Put yourself in the Rangers shoes. What are their needs if they actually trade Lafreniere? What is the incentive to trade him vs let him develop on their roster?
I'm a fan of Lafreniere but he has not busted out like we thought he would. I'll pass on trying to force a trade for him at this stage. Good luck to Lafreniere and the Rangers. I wish him well.
Age 21 with 148 NHL games and 0.39 pts/game. I expected more. We all expected more. Next two years will reveal if he can overcome this development challenge and reach his potential.
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No from both teams. Montreal isn't trading what we want. We're not selling Laf cheap. Close the thread because we've already done this before. Rangers have a winger problem. If Kreider isn't moving away from Zibanejad, then you're using Laf as a 3rd liner or bumping him to his off-wing, which he seems to struggle with. They finally bumped Kakko to RW1 and he has 4 points in 5 games (sample size). Putting Laf with Goodrow won't be helping his development.
Rangers will need Kravtsov to actually be a 2RW or they need to find a real top 6 RW.
Rangers will need Kravtsov to actually be a 2RW or they need to find a real top 6 RW.
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I wonder how Lafreniere would have looked if a rebuilding team ended up drafting him? Rangers have Laf in a sheltered role with limited min's cause they are a playoff team. Can't afford him learning on the job in a higher usage.
I felt he had a OK playoffs last year. Seemed like he took a little step forward. 5 pts with 2 goals in 13 games so far this season. Is the issue usage and opportunity or is he drowning a bit. Hard to tell IMO.
Uhm. What? Montreal essentially traded Romanov, a 3rd and a 4th for Dach. (Romanov and a 4th for 13th oa, 13oa and a 3rd for Dach)
How do you get 2 firsts out of that?
Yes, let’s have a replay of Drouin for Sergechev because Lafreniere is French. Montreal has too many forwards as it is and Guhle is already a top 4 with top pairing potential. Montreal easily passes on that
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extraordinarily easy pass from Montreal.
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Did ghule and Laf come from the same draft? It it's the case, Laf has falled spectacularly.
This ignores the reality that since his skating has BEGUN to get to NHL level, he has emerged. Maybe not yet emerged as best non-generational 1OA since MacKinnon, but definitely emerged and other equation here is who are his linemates. He demonstrates results w/Chytil and a good RW, mostly KK last season.
There is ZERO reason to deal him unless there is profit, and that is really only someone with = or better potential AND cap savings due to extra elc.
I stop short of offering you a bet, b'c I can't guarantee NYR mgmt will listen to me, and do correct lines, etc., going forward.
But most likely scenario, bulk of his career is he is not "a 30 point complimentary winger".
Dach has upside still, but not LaF level upside.
Separation is huge
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I am a Habs fan and Ghule, Slafkovsky or our 2023 1st for Laf is an overpayment. You pay for the 1st overall tag and not considering how Laf has been performing this far.
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It's a fair point to make. Sometimes it's not just about 5 on 5 sustained play, who you play with or how many minutes you get. Sometimes it's about confidence and nothing gives a young player more confidence than when he produces. Powerplay points aren't garbage points. It gives a player a significant confidence boost to help out and get on the score board, even if they don't end up with a point from the play. You can see his face light up every time he scores, gets an assist or watches a teammate score.
He was given more opportunity in post season with the Panarin line being so bad and he took advantage of it. Laf/Chytil/Kakko just seems to work. Unfortunately you can't use them in a top 6 role without demoting the Zibanejad or Panarin line, and if you're the coach - how do you do that with your GM allowing it?
Let's get real.
You want something for close to nothing
You are attempting a false narrative, which I am repudiating.
It is FACTUALLY true LaF skating, which early on, not now, was legitimate concern he MAYBE could be on path to bust territory, finally started to get to min NHL level mid-end last season. His skating has NOT regressed. It is improving going forward. I wouldn't quite say the sky is the limit yet given how hyped he was, but I would say the future is very, very bright.
Deniers of this reality need to bend, buckle and break to the correct realization that while some significant level of subjectivity remains in our collective assessments, that his skating is appreciably improved is objective, not subjective. We saw the same thing when LeoDrai got here. Most of 1st season a disaster, then he got his skating worked out and voila! LeoDrai IS generational, better than LaF, but parallel here is apt.
Again, your wrong assessment of LaF as "reclamation" is repudiated.
If you want him, pay.
No, it does not.
No one can honestly say which player will have the better career.
Right now, LaF is the better player incl overall game. Slats is clearly better skater, that's it.
There is extra 2 yrs elc which bridges the gap.
Also LaF more likely to give MON hometown discounts on salary going forward (within reason).
bold is unsupported, and I attach article for you to read, the quote from which I provided you chose to ignore.
underline: be careful, I give as good as I get, and then some.
bold: not true, esp as your wording suggests in a vaccum; unless there is a signif piece in the equation, that would not apply. More likely to be 2nd + 4th for other 2nd + 4th.
People want simple solutions to complex problems.
Reality is you have to do complex solutions, then try to trim the edges to simplify.
This correctly states the obvious and emphasizes accurately linemates, chemistry matter. Not nec to an overriding degree, but they matter.
This and again, everyone need admit my observation of improvement in LaF skating is a thing which has impacted and is pertinent to trajectory of production going forward.
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price would be too high and Laf hasnt proved nothing yet i rather go after PLD next season
Interest in Drouin and Laf have/had not much to do with their french connection, and most to do about their potential... They both were drafted top3, and were/are all seen as excellent players at the time.
Hell ! We were/are happy with Dach, and he does not come from Quebec !
This is all nonsense !
In no way should we overpay with a top2 def or a recent 1st overall that is more promising according to results NOW, not according to their equivalent draft position.
Some could argue that NYR are as delusional as the MTL's fanbase asking for Ghule or Slaf... (or Caufield, did I really read this ?!)
Hell ! We were/are happy with Dach, and he does not come from Quebec !
This is all nonsense !
In no way should we overpay with a top2 def or a recent 1st overall that is more promising according to results NOW, not according to their equivalent draft position.
Some could argue that NYR are as delusional as the MTL's fanbase asking for Ghule or Slaf... (or Caufield, did I really read this ?!)
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He's still a reclamation project until he proves he can be more than a bottom 6 winger.
And I actually think Dach has the better upside. Bigger, better skater, and is already proving to be able to produce like a top 6 player. And he can play center.
He's too young to be a reclamation project.
Wait another year or two and then the Rangers will get tired of him and you'll get a decent price.
Wait another year or two and then the Rangers will get tired of him and you'll get a decent price.
We disagree.
And if your benchmark is the underlined, then your point is invalid, b'c if the Martians kidnapped Panarin, who with his 11m+ annual salary is not going anywhere, then depending on who = linemates, and where Kreider plays, LaF would be either 1LW or 2LW.
As others noted, no shame in Kreider + bread in top 6 occupying LW.
bold: fair pts first 2, not the insinuation LaF not proving to be able to produce. The emergence of LaF-Chytil-Kakko proves ability and production. For better or worse that line is being cannibalized. But it proves each of those guys is legit NHL talent who can produce esp w/correct linemates.
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Lafreniere has not proven to be capable of producing like a top 6 forward yet.
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