Speculation: LA Kings with heavy interest in Landeskog

[damacles1156]

Maybe we can still get Mike Richards a shot

Playing in a beer league

Good times

 

[KingCanadain1976]

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Multiple sources in Kings mgmt confirm exactly what I've reported before, LaDue not going anywhere. Could it change? Sure. Highly doubtful.

 

[theMajor]

praise jah. I dont think I could stomach another mismanagement of assets at the TDL

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

No.More.Rentals.

 

[AnThGrt]

Possibly COL is looking or asking for something based around Pearson+LaDue <> Landeskog based deal?

 

[KingsHockey24]

Possibly COL is looking or asking for something based around Pearson+LaDue <> Landeskog based deal?

Gross.

Pearson+Shore for Landeskog+Colborne I'd take.

 

[KingsFan7824]

No.More.Rentals.

Lombardi hasn't gone into a deadline and not done something. Unless the team falls out of it, he'll probably do a rental at minimum, like Modin and Halpern, just because the West seems a little more open than in other years.

 

[BigKing]

Avs don't have to move Landeskog so the return will be a good one if they decide to pull the trigger. It isn't happening for Muzzin and assorted scrub throw-ins.

This team is not one player away. Pretty positive Lombardi will have more of an eye on the future as opposed to this season, even in the unlikely event they go on a run like in 2015 that precipitated the Sekera deal.

I could definitely see an Iginla move, however. If they are still in playoff contention, it wouldn't hurt to upgrade the team a bit as long as it isnt at the expense of solid future assets. Even if they aren't a real contender, just making the playoffs and possibly winning a round would be good for guys like Forbort/Gravel etc...that haven't had that experience at the NHL level.

Would be good for the rest of the guys as well since they may have forgotten what it is like to win a home playoff game, let alone a series.

 

[Johnny Utah]

That's exactly my point really. Almost every team--at least every competitive team--has some form of unmoveable contract. We're at least getting some value out of ours and they aren't tanking us on defense like Girardi or in goal...and we aren't paying them to not play like Clarkson.

This is all just in response to Johnny wondering aloud if other teams have the same issue which, as the answer always is, they do. I know we're hyperfocused on our team here which makes it sometimes hard to see the big picture.

Hell, many of those other bad contracts have NMCs/NTCs. Only a couple of our guys do.

True. Almost every team has a bad contract but if you google worst contracts in the NHL, Dustin Brown makes about 3-4 lists from different sites.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...cts-in-the-nhl-for-the-2016-17-season/page/11

Add the Brown contract to the Gaborik contract AND the Mike Richards' buyout and it keeps getting worse.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Landeskog is not a rental. That's the only way I see LaDue going. But it would take a LOT more than LaDue, and we can't afford that, nor can we lose defensive depth because trading for Landeskog would force us to protect more forwards, meaning we lose the defensive depth we worked so hard to acquire.

I mean there's a lot of smoke, but I don't see anything that works.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

True. Almost every team has a bad contract but if you google worst contracts in the NHL, Dustin Brown makes about 3-4 lists from different sites.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...cts-in-the-nhl-for-the-2016-17-season/page/11

Add the Brown contract to the Gaborik contract AND the Mike Richards' buyout and it keeps getting worse.

As he should. Not arguing against that at all. Just pointing out that many teams have similar issues if not worse, and Brown has at least had a little bit of a bounceback year compared to many of those bad contracts.

 

[Trolfoli]

Elliotte Friedman
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-canadian-team-land-kevin-shattenkirk/

13. Speaking of heavy scouting, a couple of execs joked Colorado should buy a house in Ontario, Calif. — home of Los Angeles’s AHL affiliate. Undoubtedly, one of the players they are watching is defenceman Paul Ladue, in his first pro season after three years at North Dakota. I’ve had some guys saying the Kings won’t make him available, others disagreeing. But he’d be a Colorado target.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2176889&page=15

Avs fans are freaking out that LaDue might be their target.


Could see the Kings looking at Pickard G, can't see Varlamov as he had some domestic issues a couple years back & he may have been playing with some sort of hand injury.

Erik Johnson should be the target if he's available. Out with a broken leg right now I think. Fibula
http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ho...rik-johnson-out-6-8-weeks-with-broken-fibula/
He'd pair up nice with Martinez on the second. If the Avs are looking to bring in defenders they may make him available. Given the Kings situation this year, not really contending, wouldn't be a bad time to take a shot at a guy that wouldn't necessarily hit 100% this season.

Barrie would work paired with Muzzin, but would cost way more then Martinez. Can't see Barrie happening.

Don't understand what the point of trading Pearson in a package for Landeskog. Slight upgrade and giving up assets to do it. Seems like a lateral move.

With the expansion draft, if the Kings add another forward past Pearson/Carter/Toffoli/Kopitar they'd only protect 3D. So one of Forbort/Martinez/Muzzin would be traded if they're adding a forward.

 

[BigKing]

Brown's contract is horrible but most of us knew it would be a problem: it just became a problem a lot sooner.

You couldn't sign him to some three year deal in the Summer of '13. He just came off an amazing Cup run in '12 and a great lockout-shortened season in '13. Hindsight is cool and all but bashing it now is just a waste of time. They won again in '14 with this contract on the books and I seem to remember Brown still wearing the "C", scoring six points in the WCF from Games 4-7 while being instrumental in the Game 7 victory and then scoring the GWG in Game 2 of the SCF in double overtime.

Yes, it sucks that he has not come close to his numbers prior to the extension but it would of been impossible to let him walk in 2013. Just impossible.

Gaborik still probably walks away prior to the end of this contract. This was a tougher decision than Brown but, **** it, the guy put up 27 goals the first year of the contract in what should of been a solid title defense in 2015 that was torpedoed by Voynov and a real lackluster season from Kopitar.

Anyways, the contracts suck. They were completely defensible at the time and, even though they are problems now, it's ignorant to bash them without remembering the climate at the time of the signings.

Keeping Richards was the real big mistake. Black cloud hanging over the entire 2015 season and now a cap hit from here to eternity. This is all compounded by the assets given up for rental players that have led to one playoff win in the last two seasons. Even the Sekera/Lucic deals can still be argued when putting them into context; however, the risk was greater with those moves than the Brown and Gaborik deals when you remember what the team was like when those signings/trades were made.

I have zero issue with the Brown contract when it comes to DL. I really don't like it now but he had to bring him back. They won another Cup with him being an important contributor to it so it is what it is. I hope the #23 is up in the rafters someday as well and I am not a Brown apologist.

 

[AlphaBravo]

There is no way we will trade LaDue AND Pearson for Landeskog, even if that is their asking price. Landeskog has barely cracked the 20 goal mark the past two years, and will not be a significant upgrade over Pearson. In fact, his numbers may go down on the Kings because of Sutter's system.

If the potential deal is LaDue, plus picks or prospects not named Kempe, for Landeskog that's definitely something worth considering, although I would not feel comfortable pulling the trigger. We don't have a right handed defenseman to anchor the second pairing, and I would rather keep LaDue for that role either mid-season next year, or the following year. From what I saw of LaDue during the preseason, I was very impressed by his play (although I have heard he has been up and down this season).

 

[tsanuri]

There is no way we will trade LaDue AND Pearson for Landeskog, even if that is their asking price. Landeskog has barely cracked the 20 goal mark the past two years, and will not be a significant upgrade over Pearson. In fact, his numbers may go down on the Kings because of Sutter's system.

If the potential deal is LaDue, plus picks or prospects not named Kempe, for Landeskog that's definitely something worth considering, although I would not feel comfortable pulling the trigger. We don't have a right handed defenseman to anchor the second pairing, and I would rather keep LaDue for that role either mid-season next year, or the following year. From what I saw of LaDue during the preseason, I was very impressed by his play (although I have heard he has been up and down this season).

A first year pro D man having an up and down year. In other news water is wet.
And right now Kempe is still likely years away. He's been even more up and down and in his second year in Ontario. I'm not ready to give up on him but he's very tradable with the right deal.

 

[BigKing]

Just wanted to chime in and say I'd move Kempe depending on what the other major piece is for a Landeskog deal. Interesting to not hear his name bandied about in regards to the Avs Ontario scouting.

If I'm the Avs and I'm trading Landeskog, I'd like to get Kempe involved as a sort of back-fill to losing Landeskog.

 

[Trolfoli]

Just wanted to chime in and say I'd move Kempe depending on what the other major piece is for a Landeskog deal. Interesting to not hear his name bandied about in regards to the Avs Ontario scouting.

If I'm the Avs and I'm trading Landeskog, I'd like to get Kempe involved as a sort of back-fill to losing Landeskog.

Would't mind trading Kempe if you're picking up a guy you hope he could turn into.

Also don't really mind trading LaDue, IF they trade for a 2nd pair RHD.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Would't mind trading Kempe if you're picking up a guy you hope he could turn into.

Also don't really mind trading LaDue, IF they trade for a 2nd pair RHD.

Yeah it's sort of the Schenn for Richards things.

Kempe for Landeskog

LaDue for Barrie

(obviously not by themselves)

 

[Little Psycho]

Landeskog is not a rental. That's the only way I see LaDue going. But it would take a LOT more than LaDue, and we can't afford that, nor can we lose defensive depth because trading for Landeskog would force us to protect more forwards, meaning we lose the defensive depth we worked so hard to acquire.

I mean there's a lot of smoke, but I don't see anything that works.

That's how I see. They are going to want more than LaDue and Kings are thin on prospects already. It just ain't gonna work.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Brown's contract is horrible but most of us knew it would be a problem: it just became a problem a lot sooner.

They won again in '14 with this contract on the books and I seem to remember Brown still wearing the "C", scoring six points in the WCF from Games 4-7 while being instrumental in the Game 7 victory and then scoring the GWG in Game 2 of the SCF in double overtime.

13-14 was the last year of Brown's previous deal. That's what makes his current deal that much more annoying. The only highlight for the Kings with Brown's big contract is the hit he had against the Sharks in Game 3 last year.

I agree though, can't blame Lombardi for the Brown contract. There was no reason to think Brown's offense would fall off a cliff a few months after signing the deal.

If the potential deal is LaDue, plus picks or prospects not named Kempe, for Landeskog that's definitely something worth considering, although I would not feel comfortable pulling the trigger.

I don't know how the Kings manage to fit Landeskog, Pearson, and Toffoli in, while also having Brown and Gaborik, not to mention $15m in cap space from the top 2 centers, and $6m for a goalie, and another $15m for 3 defenseman. That's why a Landeskog trade doesn't really work, unless Pearson or Muzzin are included.

 

[tsanuri]

Yeah it's sort of the Schenn for Richards things.

Kempe for Landeskog

LaDue for Barrie

(obviously not by themselves)

That's 11M in contracts. That would put us at 66M next year that is assuming Martinez or Muzzin are going back.
And still having to sign Toffoli and Pearson. So say the cap goes to 74M that's only 8M to sign them as well 6 other plays to fill out the roster. In my mind the only way that works is if we can trade Brown or Gaborik in the off season.

 

[Little Psycho]

That's 11M in contracts. That would put us at 66M next year that is assuming Martinez or Muzzin are going back.
And still having to sign Toffoli and Pearson. So say the cap goes to 74M that's only 8M to sign them as well 6 other plays to fill out the roster. In my mind the only way that works is if we can trade Brown or Gaborik in the off season.

Ahem....we need Dean to plant something on these two.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Funny thing is the Kings had the 1st round pick both times they won the Cup.

Then in 2013, 2015, and 2016 we traded the 1st's. We had only 4 draft picks this past year.

After we won the Cup in 2014, we had 10 picks. In part due to my earlier post where I discussed where DL dealt dead weight for picks even when contending.

Lombardi has to take the same approach. He cannot deal a 1st and he should be peddling guys like Gilbert, Setoguchi, and King, who are all UFA's and even guys like Clifford (when you have Andreoff) for picks to refill the cupboard and get the odds up in picking some decent talent in 2016 and 2017. Hell, even try and deal Ted Purcell, Brent Sutter, Michael Latta, Zach Trotman, or Rob Scuderi if he can, even for late round picks.

 

[tsanuri]

Ahem....we need Dean to plant something on these two.

Where I am all for trading one or even both of them that is one huge IF
So huge I'm really unsure it can be done.
Of course I still have hope, even with it being small, that maybe Vegas will take Brown for something so they have a leader.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ahem....we need Dean to plant something on these two.

That's more likely than finding a way to trade either guy with no bad money coming back.